CANADA CANADA - Project Kare: Is this Edmonton's Serial Killer??

[Clouddippingdown]

<modsnip> The whole abstract by way of theory with incorporated profiling that I have put forward is based on some sort of proof and that can be found in the following link.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2669095181

As in the Amber Tuccaro cell phone recording we are not talking about little life experience rather a lifetime of experience. All areas of previous reference apply and I can't really help the fact that LE refuses to recognize all dysfunctional attachments or for that matter 7 confirmations with 4 to CBC and 3 of those 4 to Project KARE or the fact that at the time of this release LE only confirmed 1 report as being recorded.

Amber was not a prostitute; however, I suppose that hitchhiking could be closely associated by way of opportunity. I have noticed that on several occasions the voice sounds like a cold blooded killer and to hear the tone of the con in his voice is not a great feat. To my belief when listening to the monster there would not be an avenue that he wouldn't travel down... a con is a con and when it's what you've done all your life it doesn't matter if it's business or personal, a con is all you know.

MOO

 

[Clouddippingdown]

Serial killer con men typically kill women NOT in the high risk lifestyle of prostitution. Prostitute killers are typically opportunity and urge killers.

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You're right... I got it. Thanks for separating them. That's where the difference is and that's where the difficulty in separation has come into play. The con killer would have more time to stalk and play the game (hence the missing who don't fall into high risk) while the prostitute/bar pick up killer has to take it on the run, so to speak. But that doesn't mean that in a pinch the con can't adjust back to a more timely acquisition, it just means that maybe it's become boring for him. Less time to fantasize about killing you while he's talking to you. I can't believe I missed that, how two can seem like one yet how time constraints can dictate different m/o's. And it's still JMO.

 

[Clouddippingdown]

"Imo Mary Ann was meant to be found - or at least evidence that she was in the area where she was found.

If this happened a number of times during that era - it would paint a different picture for me. As a one-off - meticulously planned by someone with much to gain.

Leaves one guy imo."

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With Mary Ann you have to go back to the genetics before the third copy of chromosome 21 was incorporated (trisomy 21). There was nothing that LE could get by way of DNA evidence and her car was very carefully cleaned, that would never happen post trisomy 21.

 

[Woodland]

Fwiw, here is a list of known and unsolved Edmonton Project Kare victims - there could be many more.

Gail Cardinal 21 - reported missing April 1980, found 1983 10 kms south of Fort Saskatchewan AB, north of Sherwood Park area

Melodie Joy Riegel 21 - last seen 20 Sep 1986 Edmonton, found 21 Sep 1986 strangled in motel room at 10630 Kingsway Ave Edmonton (was or is called Pan American Motel)

Georgette Flint 20 - found 13 Sep 1988 in or west of Elk Island National Park - east of Sherwood Park, half naked. No last seen date available - her mother had tried to report her missing for at least a month

Bernadette Ahenakew 22 - last seen Oct 1989 Edmonton. Found 24 Oct 1989 in a ditch in Sherwood Park.

Mavis Mason 29 - found 25 Oct 1990 rural road west of Edmonton - she had been stabbed. Unable to find reference for last seen date

Lorraine Wray 46 - found 21 Dec 1990 strangled at her place of business - a massage parlor on Stony Plain Road, Edmonton - likely last seen same day

Elaine Louise Ross 25 - found 11 Feb 1993 in a motel near Stony Plain Road, Edmonton (183rd Street) stuffed under the bed - likely last seen same day

Joanne Ghostkeeper 24 - last seen mid Dec 1996 Edmonton, found 25 Dec 1996 strangled in her apartment Edmonton

Jessica Marie Cardinal 24 - unable to find a last seen date, found 14 June 1997 Edmonton - strangled in an alley behind a commercial building on 111 Ave

Caralyn King 22 - last seen 2 Aug 1997 Edmonton, found 1 Sep 1997 Strathmore Way in a field in Sherwood Park

Joyce Ann Hewitt 22 - last seen unknown, found 19 Oct 1997 17th St and 89th Ave Sherwood Park - a farmers field at the time.

Kelly Dawn Reilly 23 - last seen 15 Jan 2000 Edmonton, found 27 Jan 2001 Villeneuve gravel pit northwest of Edmonton

Edna Bernard 28 - last seen 22 Sep 2002 Edmonton, found 23 Sep 2002 east of Leduc on fire

Debbie Lake 29 - last seen 4 Nov 2002 Edmonton - at home went out to use a payphone, found 12 April 2003 Micquelon Lake (south of Leduc)

Monique Pitre 30 - last seen 24 Nov 2002 at the Transit Hotel in Edmonton, found 8 Jan 2003 south of Fort Saskatchewan (north of Edmonton) trauma to entire body

Melissa Munch 20 - last seen 10 Jan 2003 Edmonton, found 12 Jan 2003 Ardrossan (north of Sherwood Park)

Syliva Ballantyne 40 - last seen 27 April 2003 Edmonton, found 7 July 2003 Leduc

Corrie Renee Ottenbreit 27 - last seen 9 May 2004 Edmonton, found 19 April 2015 Leduc

Delores Dawn Brower 32 - last seen 13 May 2004 Edmonton, found 19 April 2015, Leduc

(Corrie and Delores were found together in same location - missing 4 days apart)

Rachel Elizabeth Quinney 19 - last seen 4 June 2004 Edmonton, found 11 June 2004 Sherwood Park by Thomas Svekla - later acquitted of her murder - he was found guilty of murdering Theresa Innes 36 - last seen 7 Aug 2005 High Level, AB, found 5 May 2005 in a relatives home in a hockey bag in Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Lynn Minia Jackson 35 - last seen unknown - worked as a chambermaid in Wetaskiwin, AB (Leduc area) not reported missing, found 21 June 2004 northeast of Wetaskiwin

Samantha Tayleen Berg 19 - last seen 31 Dec 2004 Edmonton, found 25 Jan 2005 in an industrial parking lot Edmonton

Rene Lynn Gunning 19 - last seen 18 Feb 2005 hitchhiking from West Edmonton Mall, found 21 May 2011 south of Grand Prairie, AB

Krystle Ann Julia Knott 16 - last seen 18 Feb 2005 hitchhiking from West Edmonton Mall, found 21 May 2011 south of Grand Prairie, AB

(Rene and Krystle were hitchhiking together and were found together a long distance northwest of Edmonton)

Charlene Marie Gauld 20 - last seen 10 April 2005 Edmonton, found 16 April 2005 near Camrose, AB (south of Leduc) body burned

 

[Clouddippingdown]

Does it jump from Charlene in April 2005 to Amber on Aug 18/2010? Maybe the missing lists will cover some of this period and if applicable that would indicate areas of concentrated remains that are yet to be found.

 

[Woodland]

Have you looked into and compiled a list of who was missing at that time? Would be most helpful imo.

 

[Patience]

When I became homeless years ago, I fell victim to people who offered me jobs because I so desperately wanted an opportunity to make enough money to get out of a poverty stricken situation. I was tricked more than once and put into situations that were not very nice. I wanted to make something of myself so I could take care of my kids and even prove to everyone that I could support my children. I wanted a job, a skill, but I was sick so it had to fit into my lifestyle and that was hard to find.

Another thing I couldn't find was a safe place to live that I could afford. I was poor and ill and potential landlords knew this and i moved from one unsuitable housing situation to a worse and even more dangerous one when it got too bad to handle. I just couldn't find a safe lace to live where I wasn't being exploited. If someone had offered me a place to live then I would of taken it out of desperation.

I was was so sick of the drugs the doctors were giving me to combat my illness that I desired illegal marijuana and someone could of easily exploited me with that information and did.

When you are sick and live on a disability of a grand a month and after rent and bills then where do your meals come from? People can't even pay the bills never mind pay for fresh produce. People are having to become criminals just to survive. The food banks have slim pickings and you can only go twice a month for a little box of stuff that will last a couple of days. What about dental care and eye care? There isn't any unless I am missing something. If you have an addiction than how are you going to overcome it and succeed? I worry that far too many people are falling through the cracks and we need to help our most vulnerable.

 

[Woodland]

What about this guy? His acquittal earlier this year will be appealed.

... there is video of the pair leaving the hotel's bar and heading to Barton's room and then Barton leaves the room the next morning carrying a bag. A few minutes later he checks out, but is no longer carrying the bag.

After meeting a fellow furniture mover, Barton returned to the hotel room and called 911, said Godfrey.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/02/...n-his-edmonton-hotel-bathtub-covered-in-blood

Then, on March 18, an 11-person jury &#8211; nine men and two women, none of them native &#8211; acquitted Mr. B of first-degree murder and chose not to convict him of the lesser offence of manslaughter. The Crown has filed an appeal and will present its case to a panel of judges, likely next year. &#8220;The Crown appealed the acquittal, after careful review of the case, on the basis of legal errors in the charge to the jury,&#8221; an Alberta Justice spokeswoman said in an e-mail, referring to the judge&#8217;s instructions to the jury before deliberations.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/the-death-and-life-of-cindy-gladue/article24455472/

The location of this death occurred about 10 kms from the West Edmonton Mall in 2011. BB is/was a trucker and furniture man from Mississauga, Ontario.

 

[Clouddippingdown]

When I became homeless years ago, I fell victim to people who offered me jobs because I so desperately wanted an opportunity to make enough money to get out of a poverty stricken situation. I was tricked more than once and put into situations that were not very nice. I wanted to make something of myself so I could take care of my kids and even prove to everyone that I could support my children. I wanted a job, a skill, but I was sick so it had to fit into my lifestyle and that was hard to find.

Another thing I couldn't find was a safe place to live that I could afford. I was poor and ill and potential landlords knew this and i moved from one unsuitable housing situation to a worse and even more dangerous one when it got too bad to handle. I just couldn't find a safe lace to live where I wasn't being exploited. If someone had offered me a place to live then I would of taken it out of desperation.

I was was so sick of the drugs the doctors were giving me to combat my illness that I desired illegal marijuana and someone could of easily exploited me with that information and did.

When you are sick and live on a disability of a grand a month and after rent and bills then where do your meals come from? People can't even pay the bills never mind pay for fresh produce. People are having to become criminals just to survive. The food banks have slim pickings and you can only go twice a month for a little box of stuff that will last a couple of days. What about dental care and eye care? There isn't any unless I am missing something. If you have an addiction than how are you going to overcome it and succeed? I worry that far too many people are falling through the cracks and we need to help our most vulnerable.

It's not hard to stitch together once you see the pattern; however, the problem is that the pattern can take years to see in it's entirety and imo, the reasoning behind this is because there is more than one involved. It's called the hand off system and it works beautiful with a small group. Would you ever expect to be picked up by two sk's, let alone one? And references are always good aren't they? Especially, when an acquaintance says so.

 

[Clouddippingdown]

When I became homeless years ago, I fell victim to people who offered me jobs because I so desperately wanted an opportunity to make enough money to get out of a poverty stricken situation. I was tricked more than once and put into situations that were not very nice. I wanted to make something of myself so I could take care of my kids and even prove to everyone that I could support my children. I wanted a job, a skill, but I was sick so it had to fit into my lifestyle and that was hard to find.

Another thing I couldn't find was a safe place to live that I could afford. I was poor and ill and potential landlords knew this and i moved from one unsuitable housing situation to a worse and even more dangerous one when it got too bad to handle. I just couldn't find a safe lace to live where I wasn't being exploited. If someone had offered me a place to live then I would of taken it out of desperation.

I was was so sick of the drugs the doctors were giving me to combat my illness that I desired illegal marijuana and someone could of easily exploited me with that information and did.

When you are sick and live on a disability of a grand a month and after rent and bills then where do your meals come from? People can't even pay the bills never mind pay for fresh produce. People are having to become criminals just to survive. The food banks have slim pickings and you can only go twice a month for a little box of stuff that will last a couple of days. What about dental care and eye care? There isn't any unless I am missing something. If you have an addiction than how are you going to overcome it and succeed? I worry that far too many people are falling through the cracks and we need to help our most vulnerable.

This would be the m/o that was used on the Jack Family that went missing on August 1, 1989 out of Prince George. Of course it's a way to lure a victim but as far as I know that's the only time it was used successfully on a wife, husband and two small children, by way of a job offer.

 

[marikesh]

<modsnip> methinks that Svekla was just the small fry, carrying out someone else's sick desires. Svekla knew all the girls on the list you made prior. Many of them were kept at a place in Edmonton and before they hit the streets, Svekla would be standing in the doorway to their room giving them a long drag of cocaine. Doubt he worked alone, and one of the girls who did get out of that rat-race even knew the other members of the team of men. It apparently is so much bigger than Svekla and his guys.

 

[Sillybilly]

Police program reaches out to escorts working in Fort McMurray

Responding to advertisements posted online, last week police officers posed as customers and arranged dates with escorts throughout Fort McMurray in an effort to help them.

Once an officer explained their true identity, the escorts had an opportunity to speak about their lifestyle and safety concerns with investigators, many representing agencies targeting major crime and human trafficking.

[...]

 

[Patience]

Probing the mystery of Edmonton’s killing fields
Project KARE was an RCMP-led investigation into a series of seemingly related murders and disappearances in the Edmonton area. Since at least the late 1980s, women, many of whom were street-sex workers, had been found murdered in the forests and fields on the city's outskirts. A grossly disproportionate number of them were indigenous. Edmonton's large number of unsolved cases jumped out as The Globe and Mail built its database of missing and murdered indigenous women and girls last year. A product of the fallout from policing failures that allowed Vancouver-area serial killer Robert Pickton to murder undetected for years, Project KARE represented a concerted effort by multiple policing agencies to solve these crimes and apprehend the persons responsible.

 

[dotr]

What about this guy? His acquittal earlier this year will be appealed.

... there is video of the pair leaving the hotel's bar and heading to Barton's room and then Barton leaves the room the next morning carrying a bag. A few minutes later he checks out, but is no longer carrying the bag.

After meeting a fellow furniture mover, Barton returned to the hotel room and called 911, said Godfrey.

Murder trial begins for man claiming he found a woman in his Edmonton hotel bathtub 'covered in blood' | Edmonton Sun

Then, on March 18, an 11-person jury &#8211; nine men and two women, none of them native &#8211; acquitted Mr. B of first-degree murder and chose not to convict him of the lesser offence of manslaughter. The Crown has filed an appeal and will present its case to a panel of judges, likely next year. &#8220;The Crown appealed the acquittal, after careful review of the case, on the basis of legal errors in the charge to the jury,&#8221; an Alberta Justice spokeswoman said in an e-mail, referring to the judge&#8217;s instructions to the jury before deliberations.

More than a tragic headline: Cindy Gladue dreamt of a happy life

The location of this death occurred about 10 kms from the West Edmonton Mall in 2011. BB is/was a trucker and furniture man from Mississauga, Ontario.

Jan 28 2021
Warning: Graphic and disturbing details
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmo...or-details-on-rough-sex-court-hears-1.5892763

In a court exhibit previously shown, Bradley Barton and Cindy Gladue are captured on surveillance camera leaving Barton's hotel room on the first of two nights they spent together. (Yellowhead Inn/Court exhibit)


''Defence lawyer Dino Bottos will deliver an opening statement to the jury on Monday morning. Then he will put Barton on the witness stand to testify in his own defence.

The trial was briefly put on hold on Monday after Barton awaited results from a COVID-19 test. He tested negative and returned to the courtroom Thursday.''

 

[dotr]

July 27 2021
Trucker sentenced to 12 1/2 years in hotel room death of Edmonton woman
''Trucker sentenced to 12 1/2 years in hotel room death of Edmonton woman

Metis and Cree mother Cindy Gladue is shown in a photo presented as a court exhibit in this undated handout photo. An Ontario trucker found guilty for killing a woman in his Edmonton hotel room a decade ago is to learn his sentencing Tuesday. Bradley Barton was convicted in February in the manslaughter of Cindy Gladue, a 36-year-old Metis and Cree woman, who died in his room at the Yellowhead Inn in June 2011. THE CANADIAN PRESS/HO - Court of Queen's Bench of Alberta

''Medical experts testified the mother of three had four times the legal limit of alcohol in her system when she was left to bleed to death in a bathtub from a severe wound caused by rough sex.

Gladue's relatives bowed their heads when the judge said there is no sentence that will bring Gladue back or undo the intergenerational trauma the woman's death has caused her family.

It was the second trial for Barton.

A jury found him not guilty in 2015 of first-degree murder, which sparked rallies and calls for justice for Indigenous women.

More coming ...''

 

[dotr]

Ontario trucker gets 12 years for killing woman in Edmonton hotel room | Toronto Sun

Bradley Barton and Cindy Gladue are shown on surveillance video at the Yellowhead Inn on the first of two nights the pair spent together. Photo by file photo /Supplied by court

 

[Hollyllennoco]

All accounts have Amber catching a ride from an unknown stranger to Edmonton. One account on her Facebook Missing page has cited that she was on the highway hitchhiking. For all intense purposes he would have had to let her get into his vehicle with her phone. The recorded call lasted 17 minutes which is the timed distance from Nisku to the area in which she was found, so she would have been on it around the same time she entered into the vehicle with him and there would have been no way to get the phone away from her on the main highway without a fight which could have put him in the ditch. There is no way that he would have tried to get that phone until he got to the gravel road away from oncoming traffic and the last word we hear is "gravel".

Due to the hitchhiking circumstances Amber would have been an opportunity not to be passed by, cell phone and all, while it was still daylight. That's a large comfort zone that states confidence in his abilities regardless of the factors that are against him. The phone call wouldn't have mattered to him as long as his name was never mentioned and furthermore, what are the chances that it would be recorded? He was probably caught up in the moment in which he thought luck was on his side in finding a native woman hitchhiking.... again, those two combinations dictate a comfort zone.

I have a theory of how he got the phone away from her, and how he was able to knock her out unconscious without losing control of the vehicle.

I believe Amber wanted to exit the vehicle so she removed her seatbelt.

This monster who I believe has done this many times over, saw her unbuckle her seat belt so he accelerated his speed and slammed on his brakes, causing amber to be launched forward & hit her head off the vehicles dash & causing her to drop her phone or the phone to be launched out of her hand and possibly knocking the battery out of it too.

I think he pulled over on this rural road and pulled her out of the vehicle while she was semi unconscious and I think he used that opportunity to strangle her and most likely sexually assault her.

I think this sick individual did this same method with previous victims and I believe he lives in the city, but grew up outside of the city, most likely south of Edmonton.

This invidual is a sexual sadist and has a distain for women, is a loner who comes off as soft spoken and quiet. He’s likely to be in his late 50s as he has been doing these crimes since at least the early 80s.he takes pleasure in choking to overcome resistance. He knows the back roads well, and probably borrows vehicles off friends / family/ uses a work vehicle.


Of course this is just my theory.

He will be caught. The truth will always come out, and justice will prevail.

 

[dotr]

I have a theory of how he got the phone away from her, and how he was able to knock her out unconscious without losing control of the vehicle.

I believe Amber wanted to exit the vehicle so she removed her seatbelt.

This monster who I believe has done this many times over, saw her unbuckle her seat belt so he accelerated his speed and slammed on his brakes, causing amber to be launched forward & hit her head off the vehicles dash & causing her to drop her phone or the phone to be launched out of her hand and possibly knocking the battery out of it too.

I think he pulled over on this rural road and pulled her out of the vehicle while she was semi unconscious and I think he used that opportunity to strangle her and most likely sexually assault her.

I think this sick individual did this same method with previous victims and I believe he lives in the city, but grew up outside of the city, most likely south of Edmonton.

This invidual is a sexual sadist and has a distain for women, is a loner who comes off as soft spoken and quiet. He’s likely to be in his late 50s as he has been doing these crimes since at least the early 80s.he takes pleasure in choking to overcome resistance. He knows the back roads well, and probably borrows vehicles off friends / family/ uses a work vehicle.


Of course this is just my theory.

He will be caught. The truth will always come out, and justice will prevail.

Plausible theory about how Amber might have been subdued, imo.

CANADA - Canada - Amber Tuccaro, 20, Nisku, AB, 18 Aug 2010

I believe that this attack was targeted and that she knew her killer. I doubt they would pick up just any woman that was hitchhiking. That would be a risk. Smartphones were available at the time of her disappearance, so the killer would be taking a risk if their prospective victim had one on...

www.websleuths.com

 

[DerplieSmurflie]

I'm not sure how relevant this is, but I was digging through the EPL newspaper archives and I found two articles that mentioned Georgette Flint; specifically, they mentioned how Ritalin and Talwin were found in her body.

"Georgette Flint, a 20-year-old drag-area prostitute, was such an addict... A cause of death is unknown but quantities of Talwin and Ritalin were found in Flint's body."

Owens, G. (1988, September 26). Drug addiction a 'time bomb'. Edmonton Journal, B1.

"Traces of Ritalin and Talwin, combined to make "poor man's heroin," were found in her body. She was 20 years old. No cause of death was determined."

McGinnis, S. (2004, July 4). No links to northern killings. Calgary Herald, B4.

Ritalin is a stimulant, while Talwin is a painkiller. I know Flint was an addict, so the fact that there were drugs in her system isn't surprising; is it possible that the killer (whoever that may be) was not only targeting high-risk people, but high-risk people who were already inebriated? It would make it harder for them to fight back. Since Flint's cause of death was never determined (at least not anywhere I can find it), and her body was already mostly decomposed by the time she was found on Sept 13. 1988, I don't know if there was any evidence of a struggle or not.

Are positive tox screens a trend in the victims? I've been looking through this thread between my classes so I'm still trying to catch up on all the articles.

 

[Mapgirl]

I just saw this Youtube video

It made me want to know more, and I found this tread. This is so very sad.