CANADA CANADA - Project Kare: Is this Edmonton's Serial Killer??

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Oh pardon me ... I erred and didn't explain that well. What Lee doesn't use is second hand information derived from discussion pages and opinions/beliefs/ supposed facts from private messages. He uses whatever info was submitted by police. So the Illuminati material would not be what he would base his profile on. The case I questioned him about had many responses from local people who were sure who the perpetrator was and other such gossip, etc.

Don't wreck my eye poke.

lol

 

[Clouddippingdown]

Much of this seems to link to the Illuminati train of thought. I am not that forward thinking at this stage and this is beyond me.

An abstract of Illuminati marikesh.... where you see many name associations with specific places or items left behind as to the "Hollywood film or novel industry" then there is room to raise one's awareness as to the possibility of the situation. This is not to gain a reflection in time, rather to enhance a look into how he thinks. Or in other words, what makes him tick and what or whom he idealizes with because we already know that a SK is basically an empty shell just waiting to be filled... what has he been filled with and to whom should we give that credit?

When you see a concentration of name associations to Illuminati Hollywood "style" influence then it isn't a far reach to decipher what's been filling his head and well, the reflection is in what's left behind for forensics to clean up. Not intelligence or wisdom, rather clever and tricky with the abstract of 3 phase thinking, meaning that he can more than likely set up a 3 stage sequence of events to meet his own means. Years dictates training and training dictates becoming good at what it is you are training in and there is no way to get around that.

You see, I don't put my faith wholly in LE and I really only need to think of the Pickton case to remind me of their lack of diligence whereby timely investigation was concerned. And in so far as books, well to my design it has come across that "books" can be a well established reflection of intellect based on experience and knowledge. So, indeed do pick up many books and educate yourself well in all walks of reference because it is the milestone to the society that we live in and don't mind about those lotto numbers that's just 3 phase thinking in a monetary world and really has very little to do with intelligence. There is nothing wrong with forward thinking, it's how we grow and expand ourselves; well... unless you're holding Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde in your hand whilst looking into the eyes of your next victim.

 

[Clouddippingdown]

You give a lot of credit to the master serial killer being very clever and intelligent, yet what could be less intelligent than having a loose society of witnesses knowing who you are?

Most of the missing and deceased are prostitutes and hitchikers. It it less about intelligence, and more about opportunity. The Green River Killer, was said to have an IQ of 82, and a very strong sexual appetite. Armed with a car to travel, it is a 2 + 2 obvious equation that one would cover a large area in an attempt *not* to get caught.

There is nothing loose about a masochistic psychopath or a group of them. And 40 years is a 40 = 24/7 = $$$ equation.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

An abstract of Illuminati marikesh.... where you see many name associations with specific places or items left behind as to the "Hollywood film or novel industry" then there is room to raise one's awareness as to the possibility of the situation. This is not to gain a reflection in time, rather to enhance a look into how he thinks. Or in other words, what makes him tick and what or whom he idealizes with because we already know that a SK is basically an empty shell just waiting to be filled... what has he been filled with and to whom should we give that credit?

When you see a concentration of name associations to Illuminati Hollywood "style" influence then it isn't a far reach to decipher what's been filling his head and well, the reflection is in what's left behind for forensics to clean up. Not intelligence or wisdom, rather clever and tricky with the abstract of 3 phase thinking, meaning that he can more than likely set up a 3 stage sequence of events to meet his own means. Years dictates training and training dictates becoming good at what it is you are training in and there is no way to get around that.

You see, I don't put my faith wholly in LE and I really only need to think of the Pickton case to remind me of their lack of diligence whereby timely investigation was concerned. And in so far as books, well to my design it has come across that "books" can be a well established reflection of intellect based on experience and knowledge. So, indeed do pick up many books and educate yourself well in all walks of reference because it is the milestone to the society that we live in and don't mind about those lotto numbers that's just 3 phase thinking in a monetary world and really has very little to do with intelligence. There is nothing wrong with forward thinking, it's how we grow and expand ourselves; well... unless you're holding Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde in your hand whilst looking into the eyes of your next victim.

<modsnip>

Word association is just that. If I read a different book than you have, then perhaps I associate a case completely different with even more word association tangles than you have. It doesn't matter though, because the world is primarily cause and effect, and the words on printed page won't have an effect on the mind of a killer, if he hasn't read said book, or his sexual urges simply take over the rational mind at a time he is driving past a woman alone with no witnesses around.

The serial killer isn't an empty vessel waiting to be programmed. It isn't even a small percentage of killers that plan their murders based on word association from a book, movie, comic book or novel. It might help one's understanding of male sexual urges if they were, in fact, male. No book written in the 1800's that has a character with a similar name of a street that a killer drove on, even remotely plays a part in when the urge comes, or the location of a vulnerable victim.

Like every human, serial killers are one part genetic makeup, and one part life experience. Any combination of the two create the whole... and like most humans, that imprint comes very early and usually lasts a lifetime. We have yet to discover what mix creates the killer, but I guarantee word association, anagrams, or first syllable word games don't play a significant part.

Pickton didn't wait for his victims to walk down a certain street because it was the same name as a Dickens character. Crime is just as much, if not more, about opportunity as planning... especially to such a degree where word association overpowers the primal urge for sex and murder. After 2 hours of driving around looking for a hitchiker, the Serial Killer won't pass by a victim because she is not wearing the same pant suit as his favorite Abba singer.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

There is nothing loose about a masochistic psychopath or a group of them. And 40 years is a 40 = 24/7 = $$$ equation.

There has yet to be an explanation put forward as to where this serial killer fund comes from.

 

[whiterhino]

Methinks everyone wants to be a profiler. Writing a book doesn't qualify you as anything but an opportunist, perhaps an entrepreneur.

I would have to assume LE, who have the DNA evidence collected from every crime scene, have talked to those closest to the victim, and have looked into tips and leads are the best equipped to profile.

If I had magical powers to see otherworldly things, I'd be winning the lotto 3 times a week and helping LE hire more investigators. Yes. It really is that simple, and until you demonstrate you can do that, you don't have special powers.

rbbm. I don't have anything to contribute bc this thread makes my head hurt but to the bolded part: No kidding! That is some truth right there.

Not to sound like a complete flake but there is a difference between intuition/instinct & predicting the future. The problem is that there is no way to confirm or deny anything until there is concrete evidence or proof after the fact.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

rbbm. I don't have anything to contribute bc this thread makes my head hurt but to the bolded part: No kidding! That is some truth right there.

Not to sound like a complete flake but there is a difference between intuition/instinct & predicting the future. The problem is that there is no way to confirm or deny anything until there is concrete evidence or proof after the fact.

The difference being debated, in part, is between those that explain the cause and effect predictions, and those that claim to "see" through inexplicable psychic radar.

The odd word association here and there mixed in too... no amount of Peter 'Bench'ley being the author of "Jaws" is going to spur an increase of shark attacks on seniors sitting on park 'bench'es.

 

[whiterhino]

The difference being debated, in part, is those that explain the cause and effect predictions, and those that claim to "see" through inexplicable psychic radar.

The odd word association here and there mixed in too... no amount of Peter 'Bench'ley being the author of "Jaws" is going to spur an increase of shark attacks on seniors sitting on park 'bench'es.

Hey, I'm not here to argue. I've read a little bit about this subject & agree, there are those willing to reveal their "secrets" & those who claim they have magic powers or that they see dead people.

Some of the suggestions in this thread are almost as absurd as an episode of CSI Cyber. The serial killer is a hacker who is targeting and killing patients in a hospital alphabetically based upon their diagnosis & his weapon is remotely accessing all of the life support equipment! Colonel Mustard in the library with the wrench!

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Hey, I'm not here to argue. I've read a little bit about this subject & agree, there are those willing to reveal their "secrets" & those who claim they have magic powers or that they see dead people.

Some of the suggestions in this thread are almost as absurd as an episode of CSI Cyber. The serial killer is a hacker who is targeting and killing patients in a hospital alphabetically based upon their diagnosis & his weapon is remotely accessing all of the life support equipment! Colonel Mustard in the library with the wrench!

No argument here... lol. Debates are iust that.


I'm all for being proven wrong, or expanding/contradicting my thoughts.

I simply see no proof of, or can make no logical conclusion of, a serial killer cult and/or meticulous word association planning in most serial type murders.

 

[Clouddippingdown]

<modsnip>

Word association is just that. If I read a different book than you have, then perhaps I associate a case completely different with even more word association tangles than you have. It doesn't matter though, because the world is primarily cause and effect, and the words on printed page won't have an effect on the mind of a killer, if he hasn't read said book, or his sexual urges simply take over the rational mind at a time he is driving past a woman alone with no witnesses around.

The serial killer isn't an empty vessel waiting to be programmed. It isn't even a small percentage of killers that plan their murders based on word association from a book, movie, comic book or novel. It might help one's understanding of male sexual urges if they were, in fact, male. No book written in the 1800's that has a character with a similar name of a street that a killer drove on, even remotely plays a part in when the urge comes, or the location of a vulnerable victim.

Like every human, serial killers are one part genetic makeup, and one part life experience. Any combination of the two create the whole... and like most humans, that imprint comes very early and usually lasts a lifetime. We have yet to discover what mix creates the killer, but I guarantee word association, anagrams, or first syllable word games don't play a significant part.

Pickton didn't wait for his victims to walk down a certain street because it was the same name as a Dickens character. Crime is just as much, if not more, about opportunity as planning... especially to such a degree where word association overpowers the primal urge for sex and murder. After 2 hours of driving around looking for a hitchiker, the Serial Killer won't pass by a victim because she is not wearing the same pant suit as his favorite Abba singer.

<modsnip>Don't read books and generally don't watch TV.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

<modsnip>Don't read books and generally don't watch TV.

How does the mastermind SK fund his 24/7, 40 year operation?

 

[Patience]

Delores Brower wanted to make a change in her life and so did others before they went missing and were found murdered. They wanted to get out and I think there is a possibility that someone offered them a way to better their lives and it was a trick. Where they offered an opportunity that they believed would lead them out of poverty and lead to better health and well being?
http://www.canada.com/news/hope+remains/2127962/story.html

Delores Dawn Brower told people she had a plan to get off the streets she had worked on for close to 15 years. The 33-year-old woman disappeared in May 2004. Her family reported her missing in October 2005, and since then they have waited for news.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Delores Brower wanted to make a change in her life and so did others before they went missing and were found murdered. They wanted to get out and I think there is a possibility that someone offered them a way to better their lives and it was a trick. Where they offered an opportunity that they believed would lead them out of poverty and lead to better health and well being?
http://www.canada.com/news/hope+remains/2127962/story.html

Delores Dawn Brower told people she had a plan to get off the streets she had worked on for close to 15 years. The 33-year-old woman disappeared in May 2004. Her family reported her missing in October 2005, and since then they have waited for news.

Unfortunately, that is a common 'saint making' effort by loved ones. It is also a common story told by those caught in that lifestyle. They plan to get out, and then relapse. A lot of times, it is necessary to say you're trying to get better, or trying to find god to get a meal, bed, or help of some kind. Families will tend to cling to whatever scrap of positive their familial victims can provide.

While it's possible someone could try to take that angle... as a social worker or such trying to help... it would be far easier for a killer simply to act as a John, pull up, and have her get in the car to drive somewhere quiet willingly. She wasn't reported missing until over a year after she apparently went missing. Stalking type of murder, where you get to know the person and groom them for it is so very rare. Although a killer may drive around the block to find someone he feels attracted to, or looks fun, or whatever his criteria... at that moment, he has to be in the mood to do it, have the urge to do it, and is there to find a victim no matter who... she may just happened to have been on the wrong corner, at the wrong time when simple circumstance had him driving by at the same time.

 

[Clouddippingdown]

How does the mastermind SK fund his 24/7, 40 year operation?

I would have a buck child, one that from childbirth would be conditioned to fear me and work for me as a slave because I would know that one day my daddy and his business and all of his money would be gone. If I were a master of my own mind SK I would know this because even my families patience would wear thin on my constant cons and lying and spending and drinking and cheating and running the roads on lies. I would know that one day my wife would become an ex but that wouldn't matter because she would still be an alibi in the family I had with her. What would matter would be that my son would line my pockets with every dollar that he worked for and in the end I would only give him enough rope to hang himself with. I would take every ounce of his financial worth and I would take every ounce of his personal worth because from birth he would have no choice but to be just like me. And I would use him as bait wherever and whenever I could because I would also know that one day I would need a provider to take the heat off my own a$$. It's not the father that's under the radar, it's the son. JMO

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I would have a buck child, one that from childbirth would be conditioned to fear me and work for me as a slave because I would know that one day my daddy and his business and all of his money would be gone. If I were a master of my own mind SK I would know this because even my families patience would wear thin on my constant cons and lying and spending and drinking and cheating and running the roads on lies. I would know that one day my wife would become an ex but that wouldn't matter because she would still be an alibi in the family I had with her. What would matter would be that my son would line my pockets with every dollar that he worked for and in the end I would only give him enough rope to hang himself with. I would take every ounce of his financial worth and I would take every ounce of his personal worth because from birth he would have no choice but to be just like me. And I would use him as bait wherever and whenever I could because I would also know that one day I would need a provider to take the heat off my own a$$. It's not the father that's under the radar, it's the son. JMO

For the first 16 to 18 years, the child will not be able to generate income. Any attempts to enslave the child will likely be met with resistance from the mother.

The likelihood of this plan being successful is infinitesimal.

Is this from a book, your imagination, or is there some sort of proof other than Dunahee and Dunbar?

 

[Clouddippingdown]

For the first 16 to 18 years, the child will not be able to generate income. Any attempts to enslave the child will likely be met with resistance from the mother.

The likelihood of this plan being successful is infinitesimal.

Is this from a book, your imagination, or is there some sort of proof other than Dunahee and Dunbar?

I would suppose if child welfare had been involved back in the day than would constitute proof of physical abuse. If the mother worked full time and had next to no influence over the father's actions because of the already years of mental abuse by the time the child was 12 or 13 then how would it be inconceivable that this child at 16 was already taking the blame for dad's business failure? Maybe by the time that child was 12 she had lost her resistance because she was too busy making sure there was food on the table for her family and getting rid of the leech that was attached to her seemed a nearly impossible feat so she tolerated it's presence with a bind eye.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I would suppose if child welfare had been involved back in the day than would constitute proof of physical abuse. If the mother worked full time and had next to no influence over the father's actions because of the already years of mental abuse by the time the child was 12 or 13 then how would it be inconceivable that this child at 16 was already taking the blame for dad's business failure? Maybe by the time that child was 12 she had lost her resistance because she was too busy making sure there was food on the table for her family and getting rid of the leech that was attached to her seemed a nearly impossible feat so she tolerated it's presence with a bind eye.

Dysfunctional families don't tend to execute unsolvable murders across multiple provinces or states. Abused children also tend not to tolerate the abusive parent once they grow old and strong enough to fight back.

I still see no proof to this theory. The number of familial serial killers working together is so very, very small. Mass killing in North America is difficult when any witnesses are allowed to live, be they victims or co-conspirators.

I suppose it's romantic to think there is a league of super intelligent predators that plan their rituals right down to the characters of old literary works... but that's getting a bit too "Twighlight".

That doesn't account for the real human element that drives the need... which often results in the only plan being snatching a prostitute off the street.

 

[Clouddippingdown]

Dysfunctional families don't tend to execute unsolvable murders across multiple provinces or states. Abused children also tend not to tolerate the abusive parent once they grow old and strong enough to fight back.

I still see no proof to this theory. The number of familial serial killers working together is so very, very small. Mass killing in North America is difficult when any witnesses are allowed to live, be they victims or co-conspirators.

I suppose it's romantic to think there is a league of super intelligent predators that plan their rituals right down to the characters of old literary works... but that's getting a bit too "Twighlight".

That doesn't account for the real human element that drives the need... which often results in the only plan being snatching a prostitute off the street.

Tolerance is often based on need and need often makes life tenuous, at best. However, in talking $$$ where would any professional con man (because a SK is at heart or whatever is there that resembles a heart, a con) be without his investors and bankruptcies, not to mention all the bills that never made it to court and not to mention those that did as well as all those cash deals that slipped sideways as they walked out the door and just to fill in the gaps how about the women who wore a dollar bill on their forehead instead of an x, at least they were good for something while waiting for that big check to come through. Whew, come to think of it... it is a full time job.

I don't understand the phrases, "don't tend"... and "tend not to tolerate"... but I do understand "very small" in how the victim would feel and "mass killing" and I do understand not being "allowed to live". Super intelligent is not to be confused for tricky and clever. And the days of old when one would take the time to create a masterpiece out of a favorite novel could very well have faded but one must never underestimate the adventure and the challenge and know that those aspects are an important part of the game. I would still believe that efforts are made on occasion to convey a message to a level of awareness that is appropriate to the statement of the SK's being. There is no romance only the feigning thereof and the only super is attached to the ego.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Tolerance is often based on need and need often makes life tenuous, at best. However, in talking $$$ where would any professional con man (because a SK is at heart or whatever is there that resembles a heart, a con) be without his investors and bankruptcies, not to mention all the bills that never made it to court and not to mention those that did as well as all those cash deals that slipped sideways as they walked out the door and just to fill in the gaps how about the women who wore a dollar bill on their forehead instead of an x, at least they were good for something while waiting for that big check to come through. Whew, come to think of it... it is a full time job.

I don't understand the phrases, "don't tend"... and "tend not to tolerate"... but I do understand "very small" in how the victim would feel and "mass killing" and I do understand not being "allowed to live". Super intelligent is not to be confused for tricky and clever. And the days of old when one would take the time to create a masterpiece out of a favorite novel could very well have faded but one must never underestimate the adventure and the challenge and know that those aspects are an important part of the game. I would still believe that efforts are made on occasion to convey a message to a level of awareness that is appropriate to the statement of the SK's being. There is no romance only the feigning thereof and the only super is attached to the ego.

Serial killer con men typically kill women NOT in the high risk lifestyle of prostitution. Prostitute killers are typically opportunity and urge killers.

No amount of word association or wordplay ties anything together, nor proves that the disappearance of Edmonton women is a father and slave son "buck child" team using the child as bait and income.

The killer(s) are likely "male" which is the same as "mail" just spelled differently. Therefore, they must be postal workers. Postal workers deliver "Manila" Envelopes regularly. "Manila" is also a city in the Philippines, so the the killer(s) must be Filipino.

Anyone can do wordplay, but it is completely dependent on the referencing ability of the word player. Someone with little education or life experience isn't going to have much to draw on, and will be limited in scope in an already dubious form of deduction.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

"Imo Mary Ann was meant to be found - or at least evidence that she was in the area where she was found.

If this happened a number of times during that era - it would paint a different picture for me. As a one-off - meticulously planned by someone with much to gain.

Leaves one guy imo."

Here's a rather abstract theory posted in another thread by someone who apparently doesn't like abstract theories.

Simply including "IMO" doesn't somehow make it any less a 'theory'. Clouddippingdown includes the odd "JMO" so I guess that makes the post okay.