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In order to qualify you need to do your income taxes since it's based on income. Only available in Canada 😊
GUILTY Canada - Taliyah Marsman, 5, & Sara Baillie, 34, Calgary, 11 July 2016 #2
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In order to qualify you need to do your income taxes since it's based on income. Only available in Canada 😊
That's true. Canada requires that adults and employed citizens file taxes once a year and, based on that income, the child tax benefit is provided on a monthly basis to all eligible parents (esp. low income) with children under the age of 18. Every single parent with an income of $19k who has one or more children will receive a monthly cheque in the amount of at least $750/mo.
Benefits for low income families:
http://www.canadabenefits.gc.ca/f.1.2c.6.3zardq.5esti.4ns@.jsp?lang=eng
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Hi all. I'm new to posting but have been silently creeping for awhile
I live in Panorama, about 15 houses away from where SB lived and directly between her house and where her car was found. Panorama is not a ritzy neighborhood. There is a lot of multi family dwellings- condo's, townhomes and basement suites- and it has a very high immigrant population where very large extended families all live under one roof. A quick internet search shows a lot of basement suites in Panorama and they generally rent between $900-1200 per month and are probably 800sq feet. You couldn't find a place much cheaper than that in Calgary, so I certainly don't think her housing situation is hinky.
I do find it strange than only one news network has reported the escort theory about SB. Doesn't that seem out of the norm? If it's true, wouldn't the other networks be all over confirming this info and sharing it too??
Thanks for the correction. I just hopped onto kijiji to see prices and I'm quite shocked at how cheap it is! The same sort of properties would be going for hundreds more a month in Saskatoon. Anything renovated or new like those here go for crazy prices.
Just checked prices as well: 2 bedroom basement suite, furnished, free wifi for $750/mo. plus % of utilities Very affordable.
We know that Sara was working for the suspect, but we don't know why there was debt. Possibilities are that she borrowed the money to, for example, purchase a vehicle, she received money for work and did not provide a percentage to her pimp boss, or she accepted drugs from the suspect without realizing that she would have to pay whatever he asked at some point in time.
My guess would be this is the reporter writing it that way to associate the two. The reporter likely asked the friend "has Sara ever mentioned money trouble? Have you guys ever discussed finances? Was she nervous about providing for T's future", and this was likely the answer given. The reporter then writes it in a way that it seems like that is the reason for escorting. If that makes sense to you?
Hey Otto, just curious, are you Canadian?
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And this was reported as what Sara was paying? An interview with her landlord? Link please.
Not sure where your question is coming from, or why it is directed to me. I was responding to the quoted post (#203), and used the information in that post to search kijiji in google. The results provide a good understanding of rental costs in that district, which in turn gives insight into what a low income person could expect to pay for rental accommodation.
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There is so much more here in this article than what "LE sources" have to say about Sara. It is an in-depth article about what her life was like, and a must-read:
RT @nationalpost: Sara Baillie wanted a better life for her daughter Taliyah, but second job left her in dubious company http://natpo.st/2aP36mJ
I truly believe Sara's life was complex. The same can be said for Taliyah's father. Both are considered victims here.
Until we have solid information, from confirmedsources, (and that has not happened yet, I will not question her decisions, especially since she can not, and will never be able to defend them!
Our focus should be on the perpetrator, and his choices and actions. He is the one who viciously and heinously took Sara and Taliyah away from all who loved them.
I feel genuine frustration at this moment. Sara's life did not matter any less because of what she did, who she kept company with, or anything else.
Sara and Taliyah deserve their justice, and I will continue to advocate for it. That's what WS represents. We stand up for the victims of (violent) crimes, because they can no longer speak for themselves.
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I wanted to chime in on the estimated income matter here. Most servers are not for forthright in declaring the tips/gratuities they earn on their income tax returns. No one is a waitress for the hourly wage. Its hard to estimate how much SB was making in tips but I would guess at a conservative $80-100/day. Some must be claimed on income tax as to not set off any red flags with CRA. When I was waitress, my accountant advised me that anything less than 25% would set off alarms. Unfortunately I couldn't find a source for this.
Given the complex circumstances in Sara's life, it's very difficult to discuss the case without stating known facts that some may perceive as painting her in an unflattering light. Still, that's all we have to work with. She was an escort for a drug dealing pimp, and that relationship is the reason that she was murdered.
It probably depends on the city. Sara might have made an additional 25% of her income in tips, but I suspect that she could safely claim 10% in her tax filings. That is certainly a hidden income.
It's challenging to understand why she was in debt to her second employer - was it a personal loan, or was it income where she was not passing along a percent to her employer? Which is more likely to result in conflict that caused death to her and her young daughter? Was she trying to end her relationship with her pimp and branch out on her own, and did he then step in to demand a cut of her independent income?
So.... you also know what other expenses she may have had? Like car payments, student loans, credit card payments, daycare, gas, food, utilities, activities for her daughter and factored those in?
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If only we had a single impoverished mom with one child who could share some true life experience in this discussion!
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In March, according to CTV, CM was so far behind in child support payments that he owed Taliyah more than $8,000.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/new-revelations-in-mother-daughter-double-homicide-1.3014467
This was not spousal support. It was money that was to assure a stable home for the daughter he says he loved and was independent of any kind of relationship CM may have had with Sara at the time. The money was not a gift given by CM to Sara with the hope it would trickle down to Taliyah. It was not even a gift to Taliyah. It wasn't a birthday or Christmas gift, it was not her allowance. Since federal authorities make a clear distinction between spousal support, child support, and gifts, it seems to me to be pretty reasonable to use their categories when considering some of the aspects this case. This was money which CM had been directed by the courts to pay to maintain the well-being of his young daughter. It was a court ordered requirement which he neglected to fulfill.
And, if, as I think could reasonably be expected, Sara had been expecting those support payments to help pay for the needs and wants of her young daughter, the absence of that money would have left a big hole in her budget. Through his actions, CM had, IMO, made Sara responsible for covering his debt to his daughter. And it was a significant one. It was more than a third of her reported annual income. And who might have stepped in to cover the debt? And under what conditions?
A few days before she was murdered, Sara was in court with CM renegotiating the financial arrangements. Following her murder, CM claimed to CTV that he had paid $5,000 to Sara. So, if that is true, at the time of her death, CM still owed Taliyah, his daughter, more than $3,000.
Again, I want to be clear that this was money that was owed by CM to his daughter, to Taliyah. CM's irresponsible attitude towards the financial stability of his daughter seems at odds with the attempts by his current girlfriend to paint him as an ideal father. It is, however, IMO, in line with the cool regard in which he seemed to be held by the members of Sara's family.
The word "debt" has come up before in this thread, and has, IIRC, been attached to Sara's name in ways which could be seen as giving a negative impression of this young woman. There is, IMO, more than one way of considering how Sara might have come to be in a position in which it was up to her to cover a "debt".
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/new-revelations-in-mother-daughter-double-homicide-1.3014467
This was not spousal support. It was money that was to assure a stable home for the daughter he says he loved and was independent of any kind of relationship CM may have had with Sara at the time. The money was not a gift given by CM to Sara with the hope it would trickle down to Taliyah. It was not even a gift to Taliyah. It wasn't a birthday or Christmas gift, it was not her allowance. Since federal authorities make a clear distinction between spousal support, child support, and gifts, it seems to me to be pretty reasonable to use their categories when considering some of the aspects this case. This was money which CM had been directed by the courts to pay to maintain the well-being of his young daughter. It was a court ordered requirement which he neglected to fulfill.
And, if, as I think could reasonably be expected, Sara had been expecting those support payments to help pay for the needs and wants of her young daughter, the absence of that money would have left a big hole in her budget. Through his actions, CM had, IMO, made Sara responsible for covering his debt to his daughter. And it was a significant one. It was more than a third of her reported annual income. And who might have stepped in to cover the debt? And under what conditions?
A few days before she was murdered, Sara was in court with CM renegotiating the financial arrangements. Following her murder, CM claimed to CTV that he had paid $5,000 to Sara. So, if that is true, at the time of her death, CM still owed Taliyah, his daughter, more than $3,000.
Again, I want to be clear that this was money that was owed by CM to his daughter, to Taliyah. CM's irresponsible attitude towards the financial stability of his daughter seems at odds with the attempts by his current girlfriend to paint him as an ideal father. It is, however, IMO, in line with the cool regard in which he seemed to be held by the members of Sara's family.
The word "debt" has come up before in this thread, and has, IIRC, been attached to Sara's name in ways which could be seen as giving a negative impression of this young woman. There is, IMO, more than one way of considering how Sara might have come to be in a position in which it was up to her to cover a "debt".
There is nothing wrong with the fact that Sara had debt. That is quite normal. There is nothing unusual with a parent who does not pay child support. It is so common that there is a program called Maintenance Enforcement.
Child support is provided to ensure that the child enjoys the standard of living that he or she would have enjoyed had the parents remained as a family unit.
There is no reason to pass judgement on debt or unpaid child support because they are both normal events.
The question that has been asked relates to motive. Why did the suspect believe that Sara owed him money? What did he do for her?
Child support is provided to ensure that the child enjoys the standard of living that he or she would have enjoyed had the parents remained as a family unit.
There is no reason to pass judgement on debt or unpaid child support because they are both normal events.
The question that has been asked relates to motive. Why did the suspect believe that Sara owed him money? What did he do for her?
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I agree that Colin isn't horrible for falling behind on support- there could be many financial reasons for that. I know when I was a kid my dad hit rough financial times and owed my mom significantly more than what Colin owed Sarah (but my dad had 3 kids to pay my mom for).
I think the debt between S and ED could be any number of things: his percentage of her earnings, a loan he gave her, a drug debt, or it could have been some kind of arrangement she had made to pay him off to get out of the business. I think there are a lot of reasons that we will be speculating about between now and when we find out at trial.
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I'm a single mom of two. I have less than 11k in "income" last year. My rent is 900 a month. The income doesn't include the child tax. We do live on that child tax monthly.
My daughter is a single mom with four children. She is entering her fourth year of a university degree. She started the degree because she had to support four children and is best able to do that with a professional degree. She relies on every government benefit, scholarship, grant, handout, and helping hand that is available. Her husband is habitually thousands of dollars behind in child support. She has no income. It has been really difficult and very tiring for her, but she is determined to offer a good life to her children. The children are happy, well-adjusted, successful in school, and engaged in sports and hobbies.
After she graduates, she will have to pay student loans, but given her situation she can appeal to have that reduced. The first reduction will be 1/3 forgiven loan. If she is lucky, more will be forgiven. Six months after graduation, and assuming she is employed, she will begin repayment of the loan. If she is not employed, she is eligible for an extension of interest free loan.
Single parents, both men and women, must make difficult and challenging choices to manage, but thankfully the really difficult time can be temporary.