Casey Anthony Legal Defense Strategies #2

[OKaraMia]

I remember that really well, but she's spent some time clanking into court with chains binding her arms and legs, and she's had more than a few conversations with Ms. Lyons who in my mind said Casey - cut the bs, let's see how we can save your life, Baez has dropped the "his girl" line, she must be listening to news reports on that little transister of hers - I suspect reality may be slipping in.

I think at some point they will sit her down and say - you aren't going to win this. The proof is there - you need to plead guilty. Then they'll leave her to have her tantrums, and being as how she likes to please (and remember, these lawyers are all she has now) I think she will. I think we've seen bravado from Casey, but not bravery.

bbm
I sure hope youre right. I cant see it happening at this point though.
I cant see her breaking character.
I can imagine how much better she would feel IF she did.

 

[faefrost]

So what's the betting pool on how many hours it will be before JB shoots out with a "Georges squeeze is really Zanny the Nanny, and see she did kidnap and kill Caylee!" defense?

 

[sleutherontheside]

Whatever bakery number strategy they were working on yesterday they better start back at one.

If this is true that George knew and even participated in making up the Zanny the Nanny story, imo this is a disaster of biblical proportions for Casey. I bet Andrea doesn't have a motion for this little gem.

Number 55....calling number 55.....is there a 55???

Number 9....calling number 9...... is there a 9?

number 1......calling number 1.........is there a 1?

Calling anyone between 9 and 1...is there anyone between 9 and 1?????

 

[logicalgirl]

Is That Baez I hear sobbing in his office?

Could that be Ms Lyons rolling her suitcase along to the nearest bus station?

 

[The World According]

WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer says if George really did say Caylee's death was an accident, it's bad news for the defense.

"This would apparently foreclose any defense that someone outside of the Anthony family is responsible for that child's death," said Sheaffer.

Casey Anthony: WFTV says source on George Anthony affair is ‘highly credible’ and ‘other shoe is about to drop’
posted by halboedeker on March, 12 2010 9:09 PM
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WFTV&#8217;s hard-charging Kathi Belich quoted the woman&#8217;s sister at length in her report, which led the 5 and 6 p.m. newscasts tonight. Is it a one-source story? No, Jordan said.

Article:
www.orlandosentinel.com
__________________

 

[The World According]

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18681287/detail.html
shot 16 maybe? also 23?


http://www.wftv.com/video/18681483/index.html
at :13

across the aisle, dressed in black, wearing team Caylee buttons,
again at 2:48

 

[gamom]

Thats a great argument and although the body was dumped in the same neigborhood, which means the killer could live and shop at the same places, the duct tape was a specific brand only sold in Ohio (and please do not ask me to link it but I have read it).. and the Anthony's lived in Ohio, So I would argue that yes those facts are true, however a killer from the same neigborhood would have also have once lived in Ohio, or at best visited would be hard to beleive, thats were the jury would have to use logic.

Very good point. If the State can prove the tape is not sold in nearby stores, that would be huge. In my opinion.

 

[scorpion1110]

Number 55....calling number 55.....is there a 55???

Number 9....calling number 9...... is there a 9?

number 1......calling number 1.........is there a 1?

Calling anyone between 9 and 1...is there anyone between 9 and 1?????

OMG!!! sleutherontheside you are SO bad!!! lol

 

[kaRN]

I think TL should have just kept his mouth shut just like the Anthony's former attorney did, whose name escapes me for the moment.

Mark N

 

[ynotdivein]

She's probably hoping that Cindy will be a martyr and that gives her hope that she might still be able to get out of this somehow. Whoever said it was right - if Cindy does go down for Casey, Casey will laugh and sashay out, talking about what a fool and idiot her mother was for doing that (I added more, but the gist is the same).

RS&BBM...

Aedrys, good point. As limited as our knowledge of the real internal family dynamics is, still we know enough to ask: how many times in 22 years did CA take one to protect KC? Or to protect GA? Or to protect the family image?

MOO: I don't think CA will end up "going down" for KC, no matter how much KC might want her to take the fall. CA might get some charges, maybe GA will too. But when this whole house of cards topples, I think KC will carry the weight of the public's punishment, and maybe even go to her death, without ever owning up. It will roll off her back, and she will continue to externalize the blame.... likely onto CA and GA, each of whom will walk free but carry the weight that kills you slowly from the inside out. No one wins.

Again, MOO, and gosh I hope some of that made sense.

 

[gamom]

Thats a great argument and although the body was dumped in the same neigborhood, which means the killer could live and shop at the same places, the duct tape was a specific brand only sold in Ohio (and please do not ask me to link it but I have read it).. and the Anthony's lived in Ohio, So I would argue that yes those facts are true, however a killer from the same neigborhood would have also have once lived in Ohio, or at best visited would be hard to beleive, thats were the jury would have to use logic.

I agree if it were true that the tape was only sold in Ohio where the A's previously lived the state would be on to something. However although the Fire Guard DUCK tape used has not been manufactured since 2007 (I think) the tape was sold through out the country at Lowes and Ace Hardware. The tape was only sold for about a 2-3 year period so the Anthonys would have to have purchased it in Orlando since they moved from Ohio when KC was 3 years old. I am sure the defense will mention this during the case to create doubt. They will remind the jury that there is:

- Over 20 Lowe's locations in Orlando alone, all within 30 miles of the A's home the closest being only 3 miles from the home.

-Over 40 Ace Hardware stores in the Orlando area, 16 within 30 miles of the A's home the closest being 7 miles from the home.

The end goal would be to prove that the tape is not as rare as the state would like everyone to believe. Lowes and Ace Hardware are popular stores. He will may even ask Roy Kronk if he has ever shopped at these stores or even get the exwife to state that he bought his tape there.

Thoughts?

 

[butterfly1978]

The tape was not only sold in Ohio. It was manufactured in Ohio. But the As had not lived there for a very very long time anyway.

I promise you it was reported somewhere and for the life of me I can not remember where. However there is this article that states how rare it is, I will continue to look for where it states it is specifically sold in Ohio.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d3-Report-Duct-tape-found-on-Caylees-skull-is-rare-brand

WKMG’s Tony Pipitone said, “This specific, industrial, fire-resistant tape is a tiny fraction of all the tape sold by Henkel. We tried to buy some today. We couldn’t find any.” He said this type of duct tape is “extremely rare,” which is crucial to the case.

 

[butterfly1978]

I agree if it were true that the tape was only sold in Ohio where the A's previously lived the state would be on to something. However although the Fire Guard DUCK tape used has not been manufactured since 2007 (I think) the tape was sold through out the country at Lowes and Ace Hardware. The tape was only sold for about a 2-3 year period so the Anthonys would have to have purchased it in Orlando since they moved from Ohio when KC was 3 years old. I am sure the defense will mention this during the case to create doubt. They will remind the jury that there is:

- Over 20 Lowe's locations in Orlando alone, all within 30 miles of the A's home the closest being only 3 miles from the home.

-Over 40 Ace Hardware stores in the Orlando area, 16 within 30 miles of the A's home the closest being 7 miles from the home.

The end goal would be to prove that the tape is not as rare as the state would like everyone to believe. Lowes and Ace Hardware are popular stores. He will may even ask Roy Kronk if he has ever shopped at these stores or even get the exwife to state that he bought his tape there.

Thoughts?

Where did you get this information about the duct tape? From what I recall, and trust me my mind could definately be failing... I recall it was only sold in Ohio and only about 800 rolls were sold..... I am still trying to locate where I read that, or I may have heard it on NG, who knows but I am still looking. Please post your findings.

 

[Brattigirle]

The odds of two pieces of randomly discovered duct tape manufactured in 2006 and 2007 being of that same, rare type approach 250,000 to 1. The odds of such a coincidence are much higher, if you factor in all the duct tape in existence, regardless of when it was manufactured, and determine how much duct tape sales have grown since 2002.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20713777/detail.html

The FBI Laboratory in Quantico, VA, has already examined the tape samples found with the body and on the gas can and reported in December that they &#8220;are comparable to one another in all physical attributes and in the chemical composition of their backing and adhesive components. Therefore, they originated from the same source roll of tape or from rolls of tape manufactured in the same manner.&#8221;

 

[gamom]

Where did you get this information about the duct tape? From what I recall, and trust me my mind could definately be failing... I recall it was only sold in Ohio and only about 800 rolls were sold..... I am still trying to locate where I read that, or I may have heard it on NG, who knows but I am still looking. Please post your findings.

Here is the official documents from the manufacture of the tape according to them it was sold at Lowes, Ace and some other places. What bothers me are the words "manufactured the same way"...this make it sound as though it is a match. However, what the defense will point out is, ALL of Henkel's fire resistant tape is manufactured the same way. They could not find a roll of the tape in the A's home and they can't prove that the tape from the gas cans came from the same roll as the tape found on Caylee. They can only prove it was from the same maker. The defense will also bring up that the tape from the crime scene is not similar to the tape found on the gas cans because the crime scene tape did not have cotton content on it and the tape on the gas cans DID have cotton content.

Now of course the A's could have had more than 1 roll of this tape, but it still leaves room for doubt and I wish it wouldn't.

http://www.scribd.com/full/22224694?access_key=key-mr5u2b7wheevq3tnnwa

I am not saying that I think KC is innocent...I fully think she did it. I am just playing devils advocate because I know sometimes we get so into the facts as we know them that we assume they are slam dunk. I am trying to clear my mind and see how the defense may present this to a juror to create doubt. I guess I just wish they had something hardcore like a finger print. But I do feel the car trunk and smell along with the 911 call is the best evidence they have.

 

[ThommyMac]

...Casey is so delusional and egotistical that she probably still thinks she can get acquitted. The defense's strategy of keeping her out of the loop as much as possible continues to work no matter how many hearings take place. We can see this as her attitude has remained the same, if not angrier because how dare the state say such awful things about her - leading her to ask her attorneys to make it stop, like they could actually do that....

snipped in a friendly & respectful manner by your humble narrator

Aye, that is the situation in a nutshell. Well done, friend. I have no doubt in me mind she could of copped an involuntary plea during round 1, before Caylee's remains were located. Whether it was pure hubris or a lack of a solid grounding in reality, that conjecture is all academic now. I can only use me own time 'on the wrong side of the gavel' as reference but once they had little Caylee's body it was game, set, and match. After all of the apparent grandstanding from the defense, it would not surprise me if the DA is set to rumble even if Jose & company wise up at the 11th hour. The supporting cast of characters better start listening to their respective counselors now. By the time the smoke clears there is going to be just a smoldering crater where that family once stood. Casey could of conceivably been out in a decade with the right attitude and legal team way back when. Now there is a decidedly marked line drawn in the sand. Just some things to ponder this Monday morning.

 

[Macushla]

For me, this was the big story of the day! Am I reading too much into it? Was KC not all giggly cause she doesn't have her 'gal pals' with her to whisper with? I swear Mason barely spoke to her and I may have to go back and watch the hearing again without sound, but both she and JB seemed to be glaring at each other at various times.

To me this heralds a big problem within the defense team, and I am wondering if KC has finally been told that all is not well in Anthony land and she had best start thinking about taking a plea deal.

George and Cindy didn't even try to make believe everything was all right by chatting with the people with them. Cindy was VERY concerned, you could tell just by looking at her face. She usually chats and then gets serious, but today there were no smiles at all. Somber is the best word I can come up with for everyone on the defense side today.

Judge Strickland was also somber and serious - which makes me even more curious as to what is going on behind the scenes, as in could there be a plea bargain in the works, or at least initial talks? Was this what the private meeting was about? Was he annoyed at having to revisit this motion? Or was it more along the lines of 'since they are trying to work out a plea bargain, this whole hearing is a HUGE waste and I am annoyed that I have to play along with it!"

You could see that Jeff Ashton was quite pleased when he came out after the private meeting, simply from his actions and his quip of adjourning court. I would almost call him 'giddy' if that didn't sound to girlish for Mr. Ashton I was so busy watching him, I missed how LDB was acting.

 

[sleutherontheside]

I would almost call him 'giddy' if that didn't sound to girlish for Mr. Ashton I was so busy watching him, I missed how LDB was acting.

snipped by me.

ITA.

 

[pip]

I think the mood was tense and somber because getting all the documents for the fishing expedition were crucial to the defense theory that the body was not there during the search. ROBBED! Sorry Jose. Time for a new defense theory. About all they haven't suggested yet is suicide.... yet. Hang on to your seats folks.

 

[john's mom]

Maybe the mood was somber because KC knows the letters will be released soon.