Casey's Diary Entry for June 21st & Missing Pages #1

[cyberborg]

The idea of this diary entry being a "confession" of sorts, is intriguing, but I don't see this as being an important part of the prosecution's case. These are experienced prosecutors and they have to know that, with the '03 glaring at them on the facing page, this will get shot down in court.

This is what is so frustrating about this case. We have all of this circumstantial evidence that leads to the fact that KC did, in fact, cause the death of her daughter, BUT there are still a lot of holes for the defense to get through. I'm still bracing myself for the fact that she will probably not be convicted of anything as harsh as I think she should.

My bold. O/T My outlook is ... life is what you make of it and, lets face it -- KC did not do a very good job. She was presented an opportunity with a precious cute child, Caylee and blew it big big big time [understatement].

Whether KC is found guilty or not, or gets a fitting sentence doesn't matter so much. I have seen folks want to be millionaires and still not be happy with money, in fact be more unhappy. I also see OJ as a classic example of a perp with no conscience whose subconscience internally destroyed him.

KC had a full life of opportunity ahead of her and she blew it. Even if she firmly believes she did not do it or there were reasons -- life will never be the same. She can run but she cannot hide. May she live out her days in infamy.

 

[Razzle]

I think that the entry is from 2003. If you look at the page on the left, there is no watermark or lines on at. That would suggest to me that it is the very first page in the diary. What she wrote on that very first page goes along with the stuff written on the next page.
I definitely think that both pages were written at the same time. The theory about the '03 being in reference to the quote itself makes sense, but I don't think caysee deliberately wrote the wrong year in an effort to mislead.

Nothing is straightforward with this case. I really can't wait for the trial.

 

[momtective]

Can someone explain why they think pages were torn from this diary?

I don't dispute it...I just can't see where pages have been removed on the picture I have.

http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18740990/detail.html

I do see a glued and sewn binding and the endpaper is pulled away where it was glued down but no pages are removed from it.

Perhaps there is another picture I haven't seen?

It looks like a rather large gap in the binding to me. That's why I think pages have been torn out.

 

[Razzle]

It looks like a rather large gap in the binding to me. That's why I think pages have been torn out.

I noticed that as well. I suppose that is a good possibility.

 

[Macushla]

It looks like a rather large gap in the binding to me. That's why I think pages have been torn out.

That gap looks way too 'neat' to have been where pages were torn out.

 

[lin]

Hi. I looked through them too. I did see a reference to 2 "handwritten notes" taken from a dresser (I think Caylee's). Other than that, I don't see any other listings that would include the pages. Is it possible LE described the pages as "handwritten notes"? Or perhaps additional property reports will come in the next document dump? I guess we'll see. Thanks for the good sleuthing.

BTW-I'm perplexed as to why someone on here....I forget the name, sorry.....is angrily denouncing folks for ignoring the "irrefutable fact" and airtight "evidence" that the diary entry was written in 2003. The only "fact" or "evidence" to the entry being written in 2003 is a notation on a page that says "03". And it was written by someone who has lied about even the most irrelevant and tangential things having to do with this case. It's baffling to me that anyone would classify as "irrefutable fact" something jotted down by Casey Anthony and denounce folks for questioning the item. I mean, just look at her fake telephone book with the fake numbers. Truly, I don't understand why anyone would get angry with us for discussing the date of the journal entry. *sigh* Neither Casey nor her defense counsel have even said "Oh that was written before Caylee was born" (Not that they have to...just saying). What is the irrefutable fact? A notation of "03" written by Casey? Good heavens!

ITA. Well said.

 

[Macushla]

Ok, we need someone to do a 'test'. I would do it myself, but I am really bad about taking pictures and then trying to transfer them, not only to my computer, but onto a web site afterwards.

Would someone be willing to get a similar type journal and work with it. See what it looks like when you just open the book flat and then see what it looks like when you tear out some pages?

 

[faefrost]

Nah, it looks like the binding edge of the pages were slightly stuck together until the pages were opened. It happens all the time with bound books. If pages had been removed it would have been immediately clear to anyone who physically examined the book. And missing pages surely would have been noted in the report.

 

[BondJamesBond]

It is annoying that we are not told clearly that eveything is or is not listed.

It does seem though, that this dump itemises all that was taken and NO DIARY.

I hope LE do have the diary, but it does not look like it. I have been proved "wrong" before, but all we can do is go by what we are told?

...then again...early LE reports described Cindy as a 20-something African American....

Warning! Humans @ Work.

 

[Rumpole]

...then again...early LE reports described Cindy as a 20-something African American....

Warning! Humans @ Work.

Thanks for that!

I'll give you some credit when I transfer that to the "Mythbuster" thread.

On the missing pages:
Could be fine perforations and designed to be removed.
Could be CMA used a "Box-Cutter"(here we go) or similar.

Note there was a Pez thingy that some described as "Box-cutter" with the remains?

 

[secretsquirrel]

I don't think anyone is "angry" that this is being discussed. I just think people, myself included, disagree on this being a smoking gun. Sure she could have just written 03 in there to throw people off, but there are too many questions here and if this is used as the smoking gun, lots of holes can be poked in it. I think there's much stronger evidence than this. Personally I think this is a coincidence. If we want to call anything "junk science" it would be the speculation surrounding this. We have so much solid evidence in this case, I'd hate to see it thrown off by this.

 

[blackopsglock]

OMG! Hopes the end justifies the means?!?!?

This qoute is in the movie The Patriot with Mel Gibson.

Its the scene when Tavington burns down the church with all of the members locked in.

Haunting scene and haunting that KC wrote that.

 

[dax]

It looks like a rather large gap in the binding to me. That's why I think pages have been torn out.

OMG! that is so great how you did that!

Okay, I do see that binding but it always looks like that.
I collect old books so I'm familiar with types of bindings.
The first page where the '03 is written is an endpaper. There is one in the front and one in the back. It's actually one piece of paper. The pages are glued along the spine and then placed on the endpaper which is folded around the glued pages (much like a folder). Then they are stitched to the binding. After that is done the endpapers will be stuck to the first and last page along the spine. You can see on this book that the endpaper was pulled away from the spine where it was glued. If you could see a picture of the last page of the diary with the endpaper pulled away, you would see the same thing. I looked closely at this spine with a 410% zoom and saw no remnants of pages so I'm inclined to think the book is intact.....but maybe I'm wrong BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THE MAR ON THE FIRST PAGE! One or two pages may have been removed but not more than that, I'm sure

My daughter has the same kind of book, (8 of them to be exact) over the years we've gotten them from Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Target...etc. They're cheap and they hold up pretty well. They have a cloth-like cover over cardboard and usually they are some sort of flowery design.

I do remember a book referenced as a "journal" in evidence from way last summer. I also remember Cindy told police that she "never saw it before" I know it's there somewhere and I'm going to look for it.

I apologize for the length of this post....promise not to ever do it again.. :bang:

 

[indicat]

That gap looks way too 'neat' to have been where pages were torn out.

Earlier on there was a photo taken of this diary where it looked like there had been a page ripped out because you could see a tiny bit of pen marking where a little tab of paper was left. It might be earlier in this thread but I know it's here somewhere.

ETA: it was further up the page then what is captured.

 

[ThoughtElf]

Ok, we need someone to do a 'test'. I would do it myself, but I am really bad about taking pictures and then trying to transfer them, not only to my computer, but onto a web site afterwards.

Would someone be willing to get a similar type journal and work with it. See what it looks like when you just open the book flat and then see what it looks like when you tear out some pages?

I don't have an exact journal like that, but I am working on pics for you now.

 

[lin]

If I recall correctly it was seized from shelves in her room and categorized as such in the evidence list. Furthermore, considering how this girl writes, don't you think it would have had entries about Tony and scribbles of "Casey Lazzarro" if she had it on her at the time. The girl is dumb, but she's not so dumb that she would have written that and just left it around. Why would she make up a story and leave a confession. She could've been talking about an abortion or a break up for all we know.

Believe me, I think she's guilty and I think there are plenty of smoking guns, but I don't think this is one.

Never underestimate KC's lack of smarts. It just doesn't pay.

A couple of interesting theories have been postulated regarding the '03 on the left page. A re-used book; the date of the phrase; etc. Not saying any theory proves anything one way or another, just saying I'm open to it.

You seem to be suggesting it's incongruent that she made up the nanny story and left this 'confession' laying around. I think, if this is an '08 entry, that during the nearly a month that passed after she wrote it, it wasn't the top thing on her mind when LE was questioning her. Making up an alibi babysitter and details of that scenario was pretty much occupying her time and very limited mental resources then. KC wasn't all that adept at keeping her lies straight, iirc. She's tripped herself up repeatedly. And that she even wrote this, possibly after a night out partying, may have totally slipped her mind until she saw it again in discovery.

People have an innate urge to confess. Many crimes are solved because of criminals telling others about their misdeeds. I think it's highly probable KC used such a means to 'confess' without telling anyone and to sort it out, justify it, in her own mind. I can't be sure this is it, but I can't be sure it isn't, either.

IF this book was found in a bedside table, to my mind, it indicates use much later than 2003. I just don't see that space being used to store things that one has not used in five years. And since it hasn't shown up on the property logs that we just got, is it possible it was seized much earlier? I would think that would be something they would have grabbed from the get-go, if they knew it existed. They were trying to find ZG and details of ZG or any reference to there actually being a ZG. Maybe a diary would hold some key.

Thinking out loud.

 

[kaRN]

Could this be page 3? The 1st page numbered 01 and 02 (if she wrote on both sides) could have been removed?

Maybe it's the third day after she lost her ball and chain and life got so much better.:burn:

 

[lin]

That's what I'm thinking. I went through the wftv link that had the property reports. There were 201 pages, but most were property listings from the scene of poor Caylee's remains. The pages I saw that showed property listed at George and Cindy's house were page 66, 118, 147-151, 173-177 and 200-201. The journal wasn't listed. So I am thinking there are more property reports that will be included in the next 1100 page dump. I noticed that some of the items in the property reports that WERE published had evidence numbers next to them. Perhaps some of the property reports were not included in the 500 page dump b/c they were still in the process of having evidence numbers placed next to some of the items.

Or testing the ink, still investigating to nail the lid shut on this evidence, one way or another.

 

[Rumpole]

If I recall correctly it was seized from shelves in her room and categorized as such in the evidence list. Furthermore, considering how this girl writes, don't you think it would have had entries about Tony and scribbles of "Casey Lazzarro" if she had it on her at the time. The girl is dumb, but she's not so dumb that she would have written that and just left it around. Why would she make up a story and leave a confession. She could've been talking about an abortion or a break up for all we know.

Believe me, I think she's guilty and I think there are plenty of smoking guns, but I don't think this is one.

Where did you see any mention of this diary in documents?

 

[lin]

IMO, she hadn't "made up a story" yet. She was in the moment of euphoria in the days following the act. The story came later.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/29277073#29277073

I was just posting in a similar vein. It was nearly a month in between.