Casey's Diary Entry for June 21st & Missing Pages #1

[Theonly1]

This is just my opinion, of course, but....... If there are other entries after the one titled "June 21", that may lead credence to whether this one was written in '03 or '08. For example, if, in the following pages, she mentions TonE, AH, Fusion, etc., this would have led LE to know that the "June 21" entry was from '08. If the following pages talked about school, any of her previous group of friends from High School, what she will do when she graduates, then LE would have to assume that the entry was from '03. If ANY entry in that journal mentions Caylee, which I doubt, but still, it would definately indicate a post '03 entry, as Caylee was born in '05. Having said all of that, I feel confident that LE has seen more than just the page we are seeing, and there is a reason that it is photographed and taken into evidence. I don't believe they would have done this if there were clear indications later in the journal that showed an earlier writing. As always, JMO.

GEEZ, why couldn't LE have flipped to the next page and given us a taste of the next entry?

 

[lin]

Thanks butwhatif? and JWG! much appreciated! I gave up last night and you've saved me a lot of time today.

Now to find those 2 written pages that were collected!

 

[lin]

Well considering all the other stuff that is LEFT in that has no relevance

SEriously Crime Scene people take photos Of EVERYTHING that has any sort of look of *anyting* that might be to do with the case..

The media gets to SELL More pages this way, after all look at the SUGGESTION That it was Caylees book and the frenzy That whipped up

:blush: im still embarrassed over that !



Now in regards to that Dora page is that a premade over there or Casey did it ? lol Id love that page for my daughter !

Your embarrassment may be premature... Maybe it was there but hasn't been released yet as a key piece of evidence.

Ok, probably not but it's possible.

 

[lin]

Some interesting pairings, but of those that are similar some are IMO not really eerie -- they are similar because they're clichés
(like Casey's Diary of Days: "Tomorrow is a brand new day."
"Diary entry- " Every day is a brand new beginning."
and / or because they're written by the same person, who despite having had a child had not grown up that much from age 17-22. So I don't find it odd that she may have had thoughts along the same lines of those she had 5 years before. And some of those thoughts are pretty common to many people --like hoping for happiness but fearing it won't last.
(Casey's diary entry:"I am finally happy. Let’s just hope that it doesn’t change."
Casey's photobucket:"I'm not afraid of happy endings. I'm just afraid my life won't work that way." )

Then there's:
Diary entry: "I have no regrets..."
Casey's photobucket: "Regret nothing, deny everything"
This pairing may seem the most relevant. But I see no real reason to assume these lines are about the same subject. Casey strikes me as someone who has gone through life assuring herself that she should have no regrets for whatever she has done. So I don't find it at all unusual that she would write lines like this at different times, about different unregretted acts.

Of your line by line comparison between DoD and the journal entry, the closest pair is:
DoD: Trust no one, only yourself.
Journal: I completely trust my own judgement & know that I made the right decision.
But again, this "trust only myself" attitude strikes me as being part of Casey's personality for some time. She didn't trust anyone with the truth -- she lied outrageously to family, close friends and boyfriends. And this did not start in 2008 -- she'd been lying to all of them about her "job" for a few years now, and I would bet she was a liar in high school too. Sociopaths are not trusting people. I think they themselves are so manipulative and dishonest that this is how they see the world. So just because she wrote at two different times about trusting herself does not necessarily mean that it's from the same summer or regarding the same thing.

Most of the pairings of the lines of the DoD and journal entry seem more tangentially related if at all. Yes, a consequence is like an end. But I'm not sure of a connection between "on the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken" and "I have no regrets" I think it was someone else who said the journal entry was like a draft of the DoD, and, respectfully, I just can't see that in it at all!

Thanks for your comments. I agree and have posted that KC isn't bright enough to be original and one would expect her writings to be copied, cliche'd and repetitive. I do find the similarities interesting, however. Assuming it's from 2003, could be she ran across this and it 'inspired' her DoD entry. If, on the other hand, it proves out to be from 2008, I think it will be shown with DoD, (if either are shown at all; they may not need these), to show a frame of mind shortly following Caylee's death.

The other thing is, from Yuri's report, it appears the TOD isn't as narrow as we'd like, ranging from June 16th - June 27th. So even if it is from 2008, defense could argue she wasn't dead yet and this couldn't be about the death.

It doesn't sound at all to me like a romantic confession as some have suggested. There is no mention of a special someone but there is mention of her group of friends. There just no hearts and flowers kind of language there and if it was such a big deal as the first time she had sex, I would expect that in triplicate.

 

[chefmom]

GEEZ, why couldn't LE have flipped to the next page and given us a taste of the next entry?

I know! I would love to read some of the other entries, just out of morbid curiosity! It would certainly help lay the '03 vs. '08 debate to rest. At least, I hope it would. But, alas, me thinks we want too much!

:blowkiss:

 

[lin]

To me, Casey's state of mind from the time Caylee went missing compared to the found diary entry seems to be sympatico. If they are cliches, then they are similar cliches. I can think of 100 cliches that are contrary to any of these...

ITA. It seems to be a very similar state of mind, imo.

 

[LinasK]

GEEZ, why couldn't LE have flipped to the next page and given us a taste of the next entry?

Be patient:blowkiss:, more doc dumps are coming...

 

[JWG]

Problem with theory about the '03: Wasn't Casey supposed to be from the Class of '04? Some kids do get into writing their own class year on things but they don't usually write other class years on their possessions.

I was not trying to say or imply that 2003 was the year KC graduated. I was only trying to guess that she found the saying in her 2003 yearbook - which would have been her Junior year. At first I thought perhaps it was the class of 2003 motto, but now I am guessing it was something a friend wrote in her yearbook when signing it.

All guesses.

 

[natsound]

GEEZ, why couldn't LE have flipped to the next page and given us a taste of the next entry?

There may not be any more entries. I believe KC wrote this passage to purge herself of some emotion and for some self-pep talk, then forgot about it amid all the problems that surfaced soon after that date. She's a real out-of-sight, out-of-mind kinda chick.

 

[lin]

There may not be any more entries. I believe KC wrote this passage to purge herself of some emotion and for some self-pep talk, then forgot about it amid all the problems that surfaced soon after that date. She's a real out-of-sight, out-of-mind kinda chick.

 

[JaneInOz]

Diary entires that appear to be Casey's. One line reads "I have no regrets, just a bit worried. I just want everything to work out okay." The entry is dated June 21st, but it's unclear whether it's from this year.

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/02/new-evidence-released-in-case.html

Hey songline weve been discussing this for 48 pages now lol :blowkiss:

 

[TxRose]

This is just my opinion, of course, but....... If there are other entries after the one titled "June 21", that may lead credence to whether this one was written in '03 or '08. For example, if, in the following pages, she mentions TonE, AH, Fusion, etc., this would have led LE to know that the "June 21" entry was from '08. If the following pages talked about school, any of her previous group of friends from High School, what she will do when she graduates, then LE would have to assume that the entry was from '03. If ANY entry in that journal mentions Caylee, which I doubt, but still, it would definately indicate a post '03 entry, as Caylee was born in '05. Having said all of that, I feel confident that LE has seen more than just the page we are seeing, and there is a reason that it is photographed and taken into evidence. I don't believe they would have done this if there were clear indications later in the journal that showed an earlier writing. As always, JMO.

I agree with you 100%. I am waiting and reserving judgement on this diary entry until I see more of it. Right now, I would have to toss it as not necessarily significant because of the '03 date written in the same ink. The entry is just too vague to make a call. But if behind it she has written more...then that could change things. But why not put those pages into evidence as well? Why just this page? Could LE be grasping at straws a bit? Possibly. I saw the heart stickers they found at the house...but frankly none of them match the one at the crime scene IMO. Not to say that having all those heart stickers around isn't significant in it's own right. It is. But I am not convinced that the "backing" they found matches the sticker found at the scene. I don't yet believe this is an absolute match.

 

[Rumpole]

I agree with you 100%. I am waiting and reserving judgement on this diary entry until I see more of it. Right now, I would have to toss it as not necessarily significant because of the '03 date written in the same ink. The entry is just too vague to make a call. But if behind it she has written more...then that could change things. But why not put those pages into evidence as well? Why just this page? Could LE be grasping at straws a bit? Possibly. I saw the heart stickers they found at the house...but frankly none of them match the one at the crime scene IMO. Not to say that having all those heart stickers around isn't significant in it's own right. It is. But I am not convinced that the "backing" they found matches the sticker found at the scene. I don't yet believe this is an absolute match.

No, but one of the sticker backings, especially the one cut out and saved separately, might match the "other sticker" that is the one that left residue on the duct tape across the mouth of Caylee's skull.
Getting OT sorry

 

[Star12]

It doesn't matter one whit whether it is '03 or '08. The only one that could posibly testify to the date of the June 21 entry is KC, and KC won't be put on the stand to tell. Ergo, we won't know, either.

Unless there are other pages behind this one. But still, she won't be able to testify as to just what she meant by it.

 

[Rumpole]

It doesn't matter one whit whether it is '03 or '08. The only one that could posibly testify to the date of the June 21 entry is KC, and KC won't be put on the stand to tell. Ergo, we won't know, either.

Unless there are other pages behind this one. But still, she won't be able to testify as to just what she meant by it.

If KC wont testify, then the prosecution can propose what they believe to the jury. JB will no doubt refute that, and if KC doesn't testify then he will have to do the best he can

 

[justbetweenus]

Be patient:blowkiss:, more doc dumps are coming...

Did they take this journal during the search? Am I mistakened to think that they only took a photograph of this entry? If I am wrong, which, I hope I am, then I agree we should be patient as more pages will be shown.

 

[TxRose]

No, but one of the sticker backings, especially the one cut out and saved separately, might match the "other sticker" that is the one that left residue on the duct tape across the mouth of Caylee's skull.
Getting OT sorry

Possibly - but the backing seemed to my untrained eye (LOL) to resemble another set of stickers that were also part of the evidence. They were flat and looked "reflective". The one at the crime scene looks three-dimensional to me. Of course that could be water damage - or just the quality of the photo - but it just doesn't look like the reflective sticker to me. I have no idea of course what sticker the backing matches. I just merely feel that the evidence as I see it right now does not convince me that they match. I would need to see more to reach that conclusion.

But with that said - my immediate reaction when I first learned a sticker was placed on the duct tape was that it was done by someone with kids. A female. It is not terribly common for adults to have stickers lying around unless they teach, scrapbook or have kids. So the fact that they found so many stickers - heart ones too - in Casey's room was really significant to me. I think I also remember hearing LP say when he was in the house he saw Casey place a sticker on something of theirs. Like a happy face or a shamrock or something.

 

[fortytwo]

If KC wont testify, then the prosecution can propose what they believe to the jury. JB will no doubt refute that, and if KC doesn't testify then he will have to do the best he can

I just can't imagine JB letting KC on the stand for any reason.

If he does it would be a slam-dunk for an "inadequate counsel" appeal.

Hey! Maybe JB's gonna throw himself under the bus.

 

[fortytwo]

Did they take this journal during the search? Am I mistakened to think that they only took a photograph of this entry? If I am wrong, which, I hope I am, then I agree we should be patient as more pages will be shown.

Has anyone found it in the property report for the search warrant return yet?

 

[TxRose]

It doesn't matter one whit whether it is '03 or '08. The only one that could posibly testify to the date of the June 21 entry is KC, and KC won't be put on the stand to tell. Ergo, we won't know, either.

Unless there are other pages behind this one. But still, she won't be able to testify as to just what she meant by it.

You are right that she won't be able to testify about it. She won't be put on the stand. Much of the entry is vague and she could be writing about anything....without her testimony it could not be proven that she was talking about her decision to murder her child. But if it can be shown (with more evidence) that it was written in 2008 - some of the statements are damning in and of themselves. The fact that she could possibly say "this is the happiest I have ever been" immediately after her child has disappeared would be shocking to say the least.