Caylee Anthony General Discussion Thread #160

[Patty G]

My friend works in a lab and they do hair test for drugs. They are more expensive than blood or urine test, but can tell the drug history much farther back. I understand that the drugs stay in the hair until it is cut. I could be wrong. Has anyone heard of this?

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What time period does a standard hair follicle test cover?
A standard hair follicle screen covers a period of approximately 90 days, but is susceptible to time variation depending on the growth rate of your hair. The hair sample is cut as close to the scalp as possible and the most recent 3.9cm (or 1.5 inches) are tested. It is possible to go back even further than 90 days since the time period is limited only by the length of the hair sample, but is standardized to a 90 day history.

 

[txsvicki]

Can anyone tell me if getting angry because things weren't going your way and beating someone causing their death is considered manslaughter? I don't see how LE can say they think there was an accident when they don't even have a body.

 

[impatientredhead]

Themis is right re. no GPS. The chip only works if the animal ends up in the hands of a person (vet, shelter, etc.) who has a scanner, can obtain the chip number, and contact the company that manufactures for owner information. It doesn't track the animal.

There is a new dog collar that does have GPS tracking, they sell it at Costco ($150 plus subscription). Not an implant like the microchips, but imbedded in the dog collar. They have similar items for the kids stuff, I think they suggest attaching it to their shoes, but I do malamute rescue and don't have kids so I am much more up to speed on dog accessories than kid accessories.

 

[susiemc]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2594073
What time period does a standard hair follicle test cover?
A standard hair follicle screen covers a period of approximately 90 days, but is susceptible to time variation depending on the growth rate of your hair. The hair sample is cut as close to the scalp as possible and the most recent 3.9cm (or 1.5 inches) are tested. It is possible to go back even further than 90 days since the time period is limited only by the length of the hair sample, but is standardized to a 90 day history.

Thank you. I remember hearing my friend speak of it, but did not pay close enough attention.

 

[passin_through]

Heavenlydaze,

Somebody had posted this link a few days ago, it seems to point to the fact that they don't need a body or confession. Sad, sad story.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/tucker_logan.html

 

[Patty G]

so the chip my dog has is all i have to do is call 1866-597-2424 or www.24petwatch.com and they will locate him.

I don't know what chip you have, but my dog has the standard microchip. If he is ever lost and found and brought to a vet etc., and scanned, they will find ME!

 

[Themis]

Perhaps you are right, i guess it would come down to the dependance on whether or not the city laws apply to them. I have no clue about FL from experience as I am in WA but I do fall under a larger city but live in a smaller one just outside. We have a county sherriff but permits ect. are still done through the larger city as well as having that other city as our address. I haven't broken any lawas to know which apply.

I'm glad you raised the point. There's a lot of street intelligence out there and usually it's right, but sometimes not so much. Several posters have said Cindy called 911 on the people assembling outside the house because they were violating the law. Turns out that probably wasn't the case (that they were violating the law; Cindy may well have thought that and called). Anyway, this was something I could check for our WS group.

 

[Ladytazz]

Yup, the hair can be tested for drugs and the length of time on drugs within a certain range.

http://www.ipassedmydrugtest.com/hair_drug_test_FAQ.asp

It's a hair folicle test. Judge Judy always use "can we test your hair now to see if you are on drugs?"

No sure if it could tell if there were drugs in the childs system when she died, only if there were in the past.

 

[Kimi]

Can anyone tell me if getting angry because things weren't going your way and beating someone causing their death is considered manslaughter? I don't see how LE can say they think there was an accident when they don't even have a body.

I doubt it, they say premeditation can occur in a split second, so I wouldn't think, through all this, manslaughter is even in the cards...after all that LE has been through with this "woman" (and I use the term lightly) I would think they are going to gather all they can and go for full blown homicide, with or without her precious little body.......

 

[suspicious mind]

Can't the test the hair for drugs?

yes but if it only happened one time, and it caused her death, i dont know...

 

[Patty G]

Thank you. I remember hearing my friend speak of it, but did not pay close enough attention.

Your welcome.

 

[french75]

you obviously did not read the whole post that i posted i also posted a link that u could go to to find your dog with this chip

That is only IF someone has found the dog. I followed the link you provided and this is what is on their website:

What should I do if my pet goes missing?
Call 24PetWatch immediately. The Lost Pet Recovery Specialists on duty will fill in a lost pet report, check for any corresponding pets found and conduct a real time search for your pet in over 500 animal welfare organizations across North America. In the event that we locate your pet we will help to arrange a re-union between you and your pet.

 

[impatientredhead]

Can anyone tell me if getting angry because things weren't going your way and beating someone causing their death is considered manslaughter? I don't see how LE can say they think there was an accident when they don't even have a body.

That would be a murder charge, it is an intentional act, premedition can take place in the moment.

Manslaughter is would be an accidental death that your actions weren't intendng to cause death, but a reasonable person could see the potential outcome.

I will go pull all the definitions of murder 1, manslaughters, negligent homicide.

 

[FloridaKatz]

Well, my dog is micro-chipped! Lol

Seriously, I have thought about this. I would love to be able to implant something in my kids that would "track" them, and then once they turn 18, they could have the option to have it removed. I understand all the controversial ramifications of this type of thing, but imagine the reduction in missing children - especially if implantation and just where in the body it is were kept secret!! It would need to be a choice - and not something mandated by the government. I know, I know, Big Brother is Watching!!

There is a teenage boy in South Florida that had this done several years ago (it was his idea and his parents agreed to do it). He had the GPS planted into one of his permanent molar teeth. If I were a parent, I would definately look into this.

The military are also starting to use this technology. Right now, soldiers have a GPS chip on them when they deploy to the mid-east (can't tell where), but eventually they too will be "implanted" with GPS.

 

[Paladine]

Perhaps you are right, i guess it would come down to the dependance on whether or not the city laws apply to them. I have no clue about FL from experience as I am in WA but I do fall under a larger city but live in a smaller one just outside. We have a county sherriff but permits ect. are still done through the larger city as well as having that other city as our address. I haven't broken any lawas to know which apply.

I know someone who contacted the Police and asked. They were not planning a protest, nothing angry or vengeful, no trying to avenge anything, but a March. A peaceful, loving, March to hopefully initiate a search for the Child, only Joe, at that point, was searching. Once TES was called in it was canceled, and the Folks volunteered for the search, that was the goal.

The Police said if under 100 people no permit, over 100, a permit was needed, along w/insurance. The officer said that the Public had every right to be there, just as much as the Media does, as long as they don't stop the flow of traffic/people, and stay off private property.

I have no link for this, take it as opinion, if you wish, or you can pretend I'm delusional, and ignore the whole thing, :crazy: and call and ask yourselves.

 

[Kimi]

I doubt it, they say premeditation can occur in a split second, so I wouldn't think, through all this, manslaughter is even in the cards...after all that LE has been through with this "woman" (and I use the term lightly) I would think they are going to gather all they can and go for full blown homicide, with or without her precious little body.......

OOPS that should be "manslaughter IS NOT even in the cards....sorry!

 

[susiemc]

No sure if it could tell if there were drugs in the childs system when she died, only if there were in the past.

I think it would be highly unusual for a three year old child to have drugs in her system unless it would be someting like codeine used pain due to ear infection, etc. and her doctor would surely have records.

 

[Pixie_Dust]

I don't know what chip you have, but my dog has the standard microchip. If he is ever lost and found and brought to a vet etc., and scanned, they will find ME!

regardless of what everyone is saying if my dog gets lost is all i have to do is call the number i posted give them his id # and they go to there database and pull it up and tell me where he is or i can go to www.24watch.com and look online..... I have the 24PetWatch chip and the name says it i can no where my dogs is 24 hours a day!!!!

 

[Patty G]

No sure if it could tell if there were drugs in the childs system when she died, only if there were in the past.

Forensics can find a lot of things regarding what is in a person's system at the time of their death. Of course if the body is badly decomposed, experts say it's harder to do, if at all.

We will all just have to wait and see.

 

[Litig8r]

so the chip my dog has is all i have to do is call 1866-597-2424 or www.24petwatch.com and they will locate him.

According to what you quoted from your paperwork, that's not correct.

See, the microchip contains a serial number. It doesn't "transmit" anything like a GPS would. If your pet were to go missing, someone would have to find him, take him to a vet or shelter where they would use a scanner to "read" the information (serial number) on the microchip. They would contact the company that maintains the database for your particular brand of microchip and say, "I have pet number [insert serial number information read from microchip here]". The database company would then look up your contact information that is attached to that serial number and contact you to let you know where your dog is. They can't just find your dog - someone else has to find your dog and scan the microchip. Make sense?