Cell Phone Activity Timeline as of 11/11

[DeAnn]

From ZDNET.com:
The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations."

Since the FBI was called in to early in the case, I wonder if they turned on the missing phones microphones and listened? I love all this new technology.

Please see the search warrant application. The phones had not been located as of mid-October.

 

[DeAnn]

I'm kind of answering my own question with this post but though I'd share...

I found the following quote in this article (by Isabelle Zehnder):

What’s baffling is that on Nov. 11, Kansas City Police spokesman Steve Young, who says he’s the voice for both the KCPD and FBI, said the family’s New York-based defense lawyer, Joe Tacopina, and New York-based private investigator, “Wild” Bill Stanton, had not been given any information from police, and that they were not allowed to review any part of their files or FBI files. He also said they [Tacopina, Stanton] have provided no useful information to police.​

I'm assuming this means they shared none of the phone records with the parent's legal team. All they got was an informal Power Point presentation.

Steve Young is NOT the voice for the Kansas City FBI. Bridget Patton is the spokeswoman. She is the one that returned the call today when asked about the report that the FBI was in New York looking for baby Lisa today. This isn't a knock on Capt. Young. Just a clarification about an erroneous report.

 

[justamommy]

Since they don't have the phones, I think the LE has to get a court order to get the records.

Apparently... the FBI already has the records.

 

[justamommy]

People would research the cell tower distance. They can't get away with an outright lie. They are much sneakier than that.

They will minimize or stretch the truth as far as they can, always playing within the parameters. DT gave us the maximum. Did you notice how they even described how far away...by mentioning "River banks". That was subtle messaging..visual. They were planting seeds in our brains and taking us on a journey AWAY from the house. When you heard those words from JP, your mind created the image of distance. Immediately people start looking at the furthest point from the house.

Then why didn't he just tell us they pinged from Alaska, really?!

 

[Sparklin]

I'm kind of answering my own question with this post but though I'd share...

I found the following quote in this article (by Isabelle Zehnder):

What’s baffling is that on Nov. 11, Kansas City Police spokesman Steve Young, who says he’s the voice for both the KCPD and FBI, said the family’s New York-based defense lawyer, Joe Tacopina, and New York-based private investigator, “Wild” Bill Stanton, had not been given any information from police, and that they were not allowed to review any part of their files or FBI files. He also said they [Tacopina, Stanton] have provided no useful information to police.​

I'm assuming this means they shared none of the phone records with the parent's legal team. All they got was an informal Power Point presentation.

I can see them not sharing it with the New Yorkers who aren't licensed to practice there, but does that include their KC local lawyer, John Picerno?

 

[justamommy]

And I was thinking there must be a contest to see who can use the word "spin" the most in a 24 hour period today. :blushing: :waitasec:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Nixie]

In an interview the lawyer said he seen a power point, he never said he had the records. I know because I wondered why the Irwin's didn't get him the records so he would know the call information. I think its weird he had to find it out form the FBI but I don't remember seeing an interview where he stated he seen any files or records.

 

[justamommy]

From ZDNET.com:
The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations."

Since the FBI was called in to early in the case, I wonder if they turned on the missing phones microphones and listened? I love all this new technology.

No kidding... that is cool. I know technology is amazing. We better keep that under wraps though... this could cause a whole lot more confusion. :lol: I just can't get over this thread. I feel like I'm repeating the same info or reading the same info over and over. Is it Groundhog Day? :seeya:

 

[3doglady]

I'm kind of answering my own question with this post but though I'd share...

I found the following quote in this article (by Isabelle Zehnder):

What’s baffling is that on Nov. 11, Kansas City Police spokesman Steve Young, who says he’s the voice for both the KCPD and FBI, said the family’s New York-based defense lawyer, Joe Tacopina, and New York-based private investigator, “Wild” Bill Stanton, had not been given any information from police, and that they were not allowed to review any part of their files or FBI files. He also said they [Tacopina, Stanton] have provided no useful information to police.​

I'm assuming this means they shared none of the phone records with the parent's legal team. All they got was an informal Power Point presentation.

There has been miscommunication with Young in the past. When the governor sent the NG to help search Young didn't know anything about it. When FXN reported the interview with the children had been scheduled Young said it wasn't true. Three days later the interview took place and had been scheduled 10 days earlier, the same day the attorneys met with the FBI (Nov 1).

 

[gliving]

Please see the search warrant application. The phones had not been located as of mid-October.

Yes, I know that. When the FBI was called in that morning, perhaps it would have been useful for them to remotely turn on D&J's phones' microphones and see if they could hear anything in the background.

Not sure I understand your reply.

 

[justamommy]

Please see the search warrant application. The phones had not been located as of mid-October.

DeAnn... I think she means FBI has the capability to do that regardless of where phones are (known or unknown). I'm going to go take a closer look at it. I think it is interesting none the less. Amazing really. :twocents:

To add...I appreciate your posts. I always feel like I can count on you for pretty reliable information. :seeya:

 

[DeAnn]

Yes, I know that. When the FBI was called in that morning, perhaps it would have been useful for them to remotely turn on D&J's phones' microphones and see if they could hear anything in the background.

Not sure I understand your reply.

I am sure the experts did everything they could and two weeks later had been unable to find the phones. If the phones were in the Missouri River, it would be hard to hear anything. The detectives had metal detectors brought in to help look for the phones. I cannot imagine they haven't tried everything we can think of and more.

My friend was murdered and his killer took his phone. KCPD did everything they could to find the phone but were never able to do so. They were, however, able to find the killer in large part because he used my friend's phone to call his own phone.

 

[Whisperer]

I can see them not sharing it with the New Yorkers who aren't licensed to practice there, but does that include their KC local lawyer, John Picerno?

To my kge, LE doesn't have to share one thing with any lawyer unless their client is charged with a crime

 

[justamommy]

There has been miscommunication with Young in the past. When the governor sent the NG to help search Young didn't know anything about it. When FXN reported the interview with the children had been scheduled Young said it wasn't true. Three days later the interview took place and had been scheduled 10 days earlier, the same day the attorneys met with the FBI (Nov 1).

I have thought for awhile that DB/JI's team have been working more closely with FBI. :twocents:

 

[Whisperer]

That cell phone info JT had could be broad information of cell towers. The lawyers know they have the pings and the ping records were shown to the parents pretty early in the case. Maybe JT got them on legal maneuver or they may have shared them...but I find that odd LE would share that w/o a legal cue.

 

[Nixie]

If the phones stopped pinging does that mean they were turned off or that someone just stopped trying to use them to call people? Asking because that maybe why they couldn't turn on the phones and listen.

 

[MissFine]

Steve Young is NOT the voice for the Kansas City FBI. Bridget Patton is the spokeswoman. She is the one that returned the call today when asked about the report that the FBI was in New York looking for baby Lisa today. This isn't a knock on Capt. Young. Just a clarification about an erroneous report.

DeAnn,
:websleuther: I appreciate your post and your knowledge about the case.

 

[gliving]

Deann, I am so sorry for your loss. So sad.

If the phones stopped pinging does that mean they were turned off or that someone just stopped trying to use them to call people? Asking because that maybe why they couldn't turn on the phones and listen.

This article says it work whether the phones are on or off. I assume it wouldn't work once the batteries ran down. It's really kind of creepy when you think about it. It makes me want to hide my phone in the fridge!

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029-6140191.html

 

[justamommy]

I am sure the experts did everything they could and two weeks later had been unable to find the phones. If the phones were in the Missouri River, it would be hard to hear anything. The detectives had metal detectors brought in to help look for the phones. I cannot imagine they haven't tried everything we can think of and more.

My friend was murdered and his killer took his phone. KCPD did everything they could to find the phone but were never able to do so. They were, however, able to find the killer in large part because he used my friend's phone to call his own phone.

Sorry to hear about your friend.

 

[Sparklin]

To my kge, LE doesn't have to share one thing with any lawyer unless their client is charged with a crime

I agree they don't have to, but it doesn't mean they didn't.