Charges of Interference, Harassment, and/or Trespassing filed with HCSO

[eileenhawkeye]

CM said on the February morning that police arrested his parents, the three children were taken by investigators to a small office at Coastal Carolina University.

With no other adults present, CM said the police interrogated him and his sister while their little brother remained in the car.
http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_cae5bb8e-e76f-11e3-9373-001a4bcf6878.html

What fake story has the 8 year old told, and to whom?

It is possible that he was questioned on another occasion. Maybe they talked to him afterwards. Are we not allowed to speculate? Just like we have about the Moorers stalking Heather or about dismembering her? LE says their stories contradict; They could mean all 3 kids, or just the older 2. I am speculating that they talked to the 8-year-old, and his story does not make sense, along with his siblings.

 

[Knox]

What if the camera only shows Sidney in the car? And then Tammy's lawyer says there is no proof she went to PTL? How would LE prove she was there? Most surveillance cameras are grainy, and don't always show the angles we want them to.

Pings from her cell phone maybe? Yes, I know that does not mean she was actually with the phone. But if both her and Sidney's phone showed movement, or just hers. That's circumstantial evidence for sure.

 

[Knox]

It is possible that he was questioned on another occasion. Maybe they talked to him afterwards. Are we not allowed to speculate? Just like we have about the Moorers stalking Heather or about dismembering her? LE says their stories contradict; They could mean all 3 kids, or just the older 2. I am speculating that they talked to the 8-year-old, and his story does not make sense, along with his siblings.

Respectfully Snipped-I am surprised the 8-year-old has been able to keep a fake story straight for this long.

Ok, thank you for clarifying that you were speculating. Your original post did not sound like a speculative thought ...

 

[RoxanneRoxannaDana]

It is possible that he was questioned on another occasion. Maybe they talked to him afterwards. Are we not allowed to speculate? Just like we have about the Moorers stalking Heather or about dismembering her? LE says their stories contradict; They could mean all 3 kids, or just the older 2. I am speculating that they talked to the 8-year-old, and his story does not make sense, along with his siblings.

You said that you are surprised the 8-year-old has been able to keep a fake story straight for this long. Now you say that you're speculating that LE even talked to him? Do you realize that you are contradicting your own words?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

You said that you are surprised the 8-year-old has been able to keep a fake story straight for this long. Now you say that you're speculating that LE even talked to him? Do you realize that you are contradicting your own words?

Am I not allowed to speculate about multiple possibilities?

Maybe LE talked to him, and he doesn't know anything. Maybe LE talked to him, and his story didn't make sense. Maybe LE never talked to him.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Pings from her cell phone maybe? Yes, I know that does not mean she was actually with the phone. But if both her and Sidney's phone showed movement, or just hers. That's circumstantial evidence for sure.

Yes. All I am saying is that there might be many times in the trial, where both the prosecution and the defense make good points about something, and the jury has to decide. I don't think the case is a slam dunk for the prosecution.

 

[NWLady]

Sometimes I get the feeling that others are looking for arguments for the defense...

 

[justonedrin]

Sometimes I get the feeling that others are looking for arguments for the defense...

and testing them here to see how they fly.

 

[cluciano63]

Cases without a body or crime scene can be very difficult. Some jurors cannot go as far as to say murder was committed without one or the other, or both. Hoping LE has sufficient proof to show Heather was murdered (though I have no doubt she was.)

 

[JusticeforHE]

You guys just took the words out my mouth.


Although.. still grasping for straws. :back:

 

[geevee]

I never claimed that LE has no evidence. I just think there could be parts of their case that aren't open/shut. I don't think that is farfetched. I am sure in many successful prosecutions, the defense is still able to make some good points and bring up questions about the evidence. Why do you think jury selection is such an important part of the case for both sides? I think it is possible that the camera doesn't show both of them in the car. I am not saying she will be acquitted over that, just that there could be parts of the pros case that are not perfect. Many cases involve both sides giving convincing arguments, which is what I think this case will be.

BTW...the saying is that a GJ would indict a ham sandwich.

I don't mean to be argumentitive, I usually appreciate your contrarian perspective (I love a good debate lol), but you stated above that LE had no evidence Heather was killed at PTL (apparently because they let her father drive her car home), which I found a bit too far reaching as we do not have any idea how much evidence they do have.

I don't think the prosecutors office would take a case to the grand jury with no evidence that these two were responsible for Heather's death, nor intend to try it in court without firm evidence. What a jury may think of that evidence is another thing, but LE must have some definite proof (at least in their eyes) to charge these two.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I don't mean to be argumentitive, I usually appreciate your contrarian perspective (I love a good debate lol), but you stated above that LE had no evidence Heather was killed at PTL (apparently because they let her father drive her car home), which I found a bit too far reaching as we do not have any idea how much evidence they do have.

I don't think the prosecutors office would take a case to the grand jury with no evidence that these two were responsible for Heather's death, nor intend to try it in court without firm evidence. What a jury may think of that evidence is another thing, but LE must have some definite proof (at least in their eyes) to charge these two.

I think it is possible the prosecution does not have physical evidence Heather was murdered, but would instead use the fact that she didn't use social media, credit cards, etc since that day, and the fact that her cell phone data stopped as soon as the Moorers got to PTL, so possibly they shot her, and the bullet hit her phone. Is that enough evidence for a jury to convict them of murder? Possibly. But it also possible that there would be someone on the jury who needs physical evidence.

I just don't see the point in assuming the defense is going to spend the entire trial scratching their butts and making snot bubbles. That it is not possible that they could raise any doubt, that the prosecution has an airtight case, everything is explained, no way could any jurors have any doubt, or give a sentence of less than LWOP. It reminds me of the Anthony case. There was no doubt whatsoever there, and we all know what happened there.

 

[JusticeforHE]

I think it is possible the prosecution does not have physical evidence Heather was murdered, but would instead use the fact that she didn't use social media, credit cards, etc since that day, and the fact that her cell phone data stopped as soon as the Moorers got to PTL, so possibly they shot her, and the bullet hit her phone. Is that enough evidence for a jury to convict them of murder? Possibly. But it also possible that there would be someone on the jury who needs physical evidence.

I just don't see the point in assuming the defense is going to spend the entire trial scratching their butts and making snot bubbles. That it is not possible that they could raise any doubt, that the prosecution has an airtight case, everything is explained, no way could any jurors have any doubt, or give a sentence of less than LWOP. It reminds me of the Anthony case. There was no doubt whatsoever there, and we all know what happened there.

Obviously they have enough evidence whether circumstantial and/or physical to have a grand jury indict them on murder charges. They still have one of the Moorer's trucks in their possession, so obviously some type of evidence (whether direct or indirect evidence). They found a journal shrine type thing on their property so.. that right there is some type of physical evidence of TM's obsession with HE. :therethere:

 

[scaredmomof2]

Obviously they have enough evidence whether circumstantial and/or physical to have a grand jury indict them on murder charges. They still have one of the Moorer's trucks in their possession, so obviously some type of evidence (whether direct or indirect evidence). They found a journal shrine type thing on their property so.. that right there is some type of physical evidence of TM's obsession with HE. :therethere:

Agreed. I have been scrolling & rolling lately, ALOT! So much I must have missed the journal shrine type thing on their property. What was it? Thanks.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Obviously they have enough evidence whether circumstantial and/or physical to have a grand jury indict them on murder charges. They still have one of the Moorer's trucks in their possession, so obviously some type of evidence (whether direct or indirect evidence). They found a journal shrine type thing on their property so.. that right there is some type of physical evidence of TM's obsession with HE. :therethere:

A GJ would indict a ham sandwich. 98-99% of cases that reach that stage are indicted. It really isn't hard. The jury trial is a whole other ball game.

The journal could be from after Heather went missing. Did they specify? How does it show her obsession with Heather? We don't even know exactly what was written, how many pages, how often/long she wrote in it for, etc.

 

[OkieGranny]

Agreed. I have been scrolling & rolling lately, ALOT! So much I must have missed the journal shrine type thing on their property. What was it? Thanks.

This was a reporter's tweet from the March 17 bond hearing:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10344595&postcount=227.

Marc Liverman ‏@MarcLiverman 2m
State says Moorer's compound had many thing related to entire Elvis family like pictures, journal entries. #HeatherElvis #YourNews

 

[geevee]

A GJ would indict a ham sandwich. 98-99% of cases that reach that stage are indicted. It really isn't hard. The jury trial is a whole other ball game.

The journal could be from after Heather went missing. Did they specify? How does it show her obsession with Heather? We don't even know exactly what was written, how many pages, how often/long she wrote in it for, etc.

It's also possible LE has the details of Heather's demise written in TM's own handwriting. We just won't know until trial, but no, I don't think the defense will sit on their hands during the trial, the bar is high with no body found, and I'm sure LE is aware of that and prepared to prove their allegations.

 

[scaredmomof2]

This was a reporter's tweet from the March 17 bond hearing:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10344595&postcount=227.

Thanks OkieGranny for the quick response and thread. That tweet is very concerning. Especially the part about the "whole Elvis family".

I think it's also very damaging for the defense and can be looked at as premeditation. I think LE is building a very strong case indeed. JMO

 

[passionflower]

This was a reporter's tweet from the March 17 bond hearing:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10344595&postcount=227.

I find that weird and spooky...JMOO........obsession

 

[JusticeforHE]

A GJ would indict a ham sandwich. 98-99% of cases that reach that stage are indicted. It really isn't hard. The jury trial is a whole other ball game.

The journal could be from after Heather went missing. Did they specify? How does it show her obsession with Heather? We don't even know exactly what was written, how many pages, how often/long she wrote in it for, etc.

Why would TM be in possession of a journal that has information (potentially birth dates, etc) of the Elvis family? Whether it was written or compiled before or after HE went missing doesn't make a difference that it shows obsession of HE/family. Especially since TM and her attorneys have denied that TM even knew who HE was.

I don't know about you, but having a journal compiled of information about the family of the missing / murdered girl that your husband had an affair with isn't normal and obsessive.

If the defense has resorted to coming to WS for reactions, points about the case... Well. :wave:


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