China- Chinese airliner, Boeing 737, carrying 132 people crashes in southern China, 21 March 2022

[dotr]

China plane crash: Human remains found amid wreckage - BBC News
''Recovery teams have found human remains at the crash site of the China Eastern jet which plunged into mountains this week, say state media.

Authorities have yet to declare the number of victims, but there has been no sign so far that any of the 132 people onboard had survived.

Investigators still do not know why the plane suddenly entered a near-vertical dive in southern China on Monday.

But the recovery of the intact cockpit voice recorder is hoped to shed clues.

The black box was found damaged on the outside but its internal records appeared to be fine, officials said. It has been sent to Beijing for its data to be analysed.''

''At a press conference on Wednesday, aviation officials said there hadn't been any weather or other hazards endured by the flight on its route path. China Eastern said the Boeing 737-800 plane, less than seven years old, had also passed all pre-flight checks.
There had been three pilots, China Eastern officials disclosed. The captain had 6,709 hours flying experience, and the first and second officers had 31,769 hours and 556 hours respectively.

"From what we know, the performance of the three pilots had been good and their family life relatively harmonious," the airline representative said.''

 

[Elley Mae]

China plane crash: Human remains found amid wreckage - BBC News
''Recovery teams have found human remains at the crash site of the China Eastern jet which plunged into mountains this week, say state media.

Authorities have yet to declare the number of victims, but there has been no sign so far that any of the 132 people onboard had survived.

Investigators still do not know why the plane suddenly entered a near-vertical dive in southern China on Monday.

But the recovery of the intact cockpit voice recorder is hoped to shed clues.

The black box was found damaged on the outside but its internal records appeared to be fine, officials said. It has been sent to Beijing for its data to be analysed.''

''At a press conference on Wednesday, aviation officials said there hadn't been any weather or other hazards endured by the flight on its route path. China Eastern said the Boeing 737-800 plane, less than seven years old, had also passed all pre-flight checks.
There had been three pilots, China Eastern officials disclosed. The captain had 6,709 hours flying experience, and the first and second officers had 31,769 hours and 556 hours respectively.

"From what we know, the performance of the three pilots had been good and their family life relatively harmonious," the airline representative said.''

That was said about mh370 pilot, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, that he had a good life.

Jmo

 

[Sarahlou]

I find it strange that they even comment on their family life.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I don't.

I find it strange that they even comment on their family life.

 

[moonriverfarm]

The fact that there was no MAYDAY call made is suspect to me.

 

[j_in_c]

I don't.

Agreed on it not being odd that the govt had to release a statement. We all know how cruel the internet hive can be and there is no need to compound this tragedy by casting a shadow over the pilot's families. The facts will come out with time and patience, but for now, we should be grieving over all the lives lost instead of looking to place blame until it is justified.

It is terrifying to any of us who fly to see this happen and it's natural to want to understand how it could happen, especially as it did not fail in a more typical or expected way. But many disasters are a series of unexpected problems coupled with an incorrect response. Obviously at this point, malicious intent cannot be ruled out, but it also shouldn't be assumed (yet).

 

[Elley Mae]

The cockpit voice recorder would provide investigators with details of communications between the flight's three pilots, which is one more than is normally required on board a Boeing (BA.N) 737-800 plane.

According to flight tracking website FlightRadar24, the plane briefly appeared to pull out of its nosedive, before plunging again into a heavily forested slope in the mountainous Guangxi region.

Authorities said the pilots did not respond to repeated calls from air traffic controllers during the rapid descent.

China examines cockpit voice recorder from crashed airliner

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3 Pilots?

 

[dotr]

More China Eastern Boeing 737 wreckage and remains of victims found, possibility of damage to the stored data of first black box not ruled out - Global Times
''As of 15:30 on Thursday, a total of 21 pieces of belongings of the victims, 183 pieces of plane wreckage and some human remains have been found, according to the press conference near the crash site in Wuzhou of Guangxi on Thursday.

It is the fourth press release since the crash happened on Monday.

The main debris that has been found include an engine blade and turbine fragments, engine pylon fragments, left and right horizontal tail fragments, aileron autopilot actuators and wing fragments with partial wing-tip winglets.

Crew escape ropes and fragments of crew manuals and some cockpit crew documents were also found, the press conference said.

Search and rescue personnel at a farmland in Tengxian county, Wuzhou in Guangxi, found a suspected piece of debris with a length of about 1.3 meters and a maximum width of about 10 centimeters, which was about more than 10 kilometers from the accident core site.''

 

[PrairieWind]

"The black box was found damaged on the outside but its internal records appeared to be fine, officials said. It has been sent to Beijing for its data to be analysed.''

That is incredible! I hope its true.

 

[mickey2942]

"The black box was found damaged on the outside but its internal records appeared to be fine, officials said. It has been sent to Beijing for its data to be analysed.''

That is incredible! I hope its true.

I wonder how much credible information will be released. The government isn't exactly transparent with information.

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[Eloise]

I wonder how much credible information will be released. The government isn't exactly transparent with information.

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the US has been invited to participate in the investigation, as the airline manufacturer's country of origin I believe

if anything untoward is seen by them they will report on it, although I don't think it necessarily affects the actual final report China's authorities will make

China actually has (in recent decades) a very good safety record in aviation.

 

[PrairieWind]

the US has been invited to participate in the investigation, as the airline manufacturer's country of origin I believe

if anything untoward is seen by them they will report on it, although I don't think it necessarily affects the actual final report China's authorities will make

China actually has (in recent decades) a very good safety record in aviation.

"Invited to participate" and actually being allowed to participate in a meaningful way are two different things. Lets see what happens.

 

[dotr]

China Crash Mystery Deepens as Evidence Suggests Midair Breakup - Bloomberg
''At least one piece of the Boeing Co. 737-800 that crashed in China appears to have broken loose well before impact, a finding that adds mystery to the plane’s fatal dive.

The piece suspected to have come from the China Eastern Airlines Corp. Ltd. jet was found about 10 kilometers (6 miles) from the main wreckage area, Chinese officials said at a briefing Thursday.'If investigators confirm that the part came from the jet, it would indicate the plane suffered some kind of midair breakup, which could offer clues about what led to Monday’s crash or at least shed light on the flight’s final seconds.

“The questions are: exactly what piece was it and when did it come off?” said Jeff Guzzetti, the former chief of accident investigations at the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration.

''The highly unusual dive has baffled crash investigators and safety experts. Aircraft such as the 737-800 are designed not to dive so aggressively, so some kind of aircraft failure or pilot action would be required to keep its nose pointed down for so long.''

''The government has yet to release the pilots' names, but news reports identified the captain as Yang Hongda. The co-pilot, according to news reports, was Zhang Zheng, a veteran with 32,000 hours of flying time in a 30-year career. An unidentified former colleague of Zhang cited by the online news outlet The Paper said he was a mentor to young pilots who had a “sunny disposition” and captained the air academy’s basketball team.''
Read more at: rbbm.
https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/business/article259715375.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Elley Mae]

Debris was found 6-8 miles from the crash site.

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We have friends that live in Accident, Md and were told that debris was found 7 miles from crash site less then a week after it happened, and they were right. I’m not surprised the debris field is that far.

Jmo

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[airportwoman]

Remember Flight 232 in 1989, and they needed a crucial part in order to complete the investigation? Authorities guessed that it either landed in a wooded area, or a planted field, because they couldn't find it anywhere near Sioux City, Iowa, and sure enough, a farmer a couple hundred miles away found it months later while harvesting.

 

[PrairieWind]

Remember Flight 232 in 1989, and they needed a crucial part in order to complete the investigation? Authorities guessed that it either landed in a wooded area, or a planted field, because they couldn't find it anywhere near Sioux City, Iowa, and sure enough, a farmer a couple hundred miles away found it months later while harvesting.

I remember that. The farmer found the fan disk that broke away, ruptured the hydraulic lines and then fell to the ground, landing in that guy's corn field.

 

[vls12345]

China recovers second black box of crashed passenger jet

 

[PrairieWind]

I sure hope the black boxes have retained their data. That crash was about as severe as could be. At least there was no sustained fire.

 

[dotr]

Passenger plane crashes in South China - Chinadaily.com.cn
2022-03-29
''All 132 victims of China's plane crash identified
NANNING -- All 132 victims of the China Eastern Airlines plane crash have been identified through DNA testing, an official told a press briefing on Monday.

After the accident, public security authorities across 20 provincial-level regions were organized to identify the victims by collecting DNA samples of those on board and their relatives, said Liu Kaihui, an official with the Ministry of Public Security.

A total of 20 DNA experts have conducted DNA testing and analysis of the samples, and the identity of the final victim was confirmed Monday morning, Liu said''

''2022-03-27
Counseling provided to families of flight accident victims
Experts are paying close attention to the psychological status of family members of victims of Flight MU5735 and have offered help to 357 family members, a leading expert said on Sunday.


At present, 99 psychological experts are working in Wuzhou, Guangxi Zhuang autonomous region, where the plane crashed on Monday. They are divided into 12 teams, with 11 stationed in hotels accommodating victims' family members and one at the crash site, according to Yin Ping, a psychological expert.''

"There is a special team with two experts for each of the families, offering psychological counseling services all the way through," he said. By Sunday at noon, experts had given professional counseling 1,611 times.''

 

[Justice101]

Even though this is speculation with a dose of critical thinking thrown in, I saw a poll of supposed "experts" who, based on the characteristics of the flight and vertical trajectory and up and down movement, they put the chances as below:

1) Engine failure - 0%
2) Catastrophic wing or sporadic locked aileron failure - 10%
3) Incapacitation of pilots - 5%
4) Missile strike or inboard bomb - 8%
5) Deliberate act (terrorist hijacking and/or pilot suicide) - 62%
6) Other as in none of the above - 15%