Chloroform in the trunk of caseys car

[treeseeker]

Answering one of my own questions....
"Suppertime for Frieda Fuzzy Paws" (Frieda/Zenaida?)
In order to receive a cookie for dessert, a kitten must first eat her macaroni and beans.

Sleeping Beauty aka Bella Durmiente=Beautiful Sleeper
Tattoo: La Bella Vida=A Beautiful Life

Bella Durmiente - have you come across the phrase re Casey? That would be interesting!

 

[headndownstream]

I just see this thread on chloroform. I wondered if the question has come up....how could the flies and maggots live if there were chloroform in the trunk?

 

[treeseeker]

I just see this thread on chloroform. I wondered if the question has come up....how could the flies and maggots live if there were chloroform in the trunk?

Great question! I wondered if the test was actually for residue - perhaps "decomposed" chloroform on the car's surfaces. I read that chloroform is heavier than air, and could most likely pocket like natural gas does, so I thought maybe that's what was found. But, you are right, that would likely kill the maggots. Isn't chloroform what entemologists use to kill and preserve specimens?

 

[headndownstream]

Sorry, I did a search after I posted, discovered they cannot live. So....does that say that the chloroform got into the trunk after it was taken from impound and before LE did their gas chromotography test? Sounds like it. I went to the Material Safety Data Base and searched products. There were no cleaning products.

8 record(s) found searching chloroform in the Health Effects fields

* Parks Pro Liquid Paint Stripper [Home maintenance]
* Parks Adhesive Remover [Home maintenance]
* Parks Adhesive Remover-09/04/1998 [Arts & Crafts]
* Trim/Detail Adhesive (Kit with Activator) [Auto products]
* Time Mist Fragrance of the Islands [Inside the Home]
* Bravo Platinum Series Metered Air Freshener [Inside the Home]
* Time Mist Air Freshener W/Odor Counteractant [Inside the Home]
* Evercare Glass Wipes, Pre Moistened [Inside the Home]

I'm lost with this....How did it get there/what did she do with it?

 

[mrstewart]

Sorry, I did a search after I posted, discovered they cannot live. So....does that say that the chloroform got into the trunk after it was taken from impound and before LE did their gas chromotography test? Sounds like it. I went to the Material Safety Data Base and searched products. There were no cleaning products.

8 record(s) found searching chloroform in the Health Effects fields

* Parks Pro Liquid Paint Stripper [Home maintenance]
* Parks Adhesive Remover [Home maintenance]
* Parks Adhesive Remover-09/04/1998 [Arts & Crafts]
* Trim/Detail Adhesive (Kit with Activator) [Auto products]
* Time Mist Fragrance of the Islands [Inside the Home]
* Bravo Platinum Series Metered Air Freshener [Inside the Home]
* Time Mist Air Freshener W/Odor Counteractant [Inside the Home]
* Evercare Glass Wipes, Pre Moistened [Inside the Home]

I'm lost with this....How did it get there/what did she do with it?

Chloroform is also listed on packaging as Methane...and a few other chemicals.

 

[TripleA]

My guess is that this non-detection would make it attractive to people who must drug test for employment, or are under probation or supervision.

Or who are in LE.

 

[tiredofthis]

I just see this thread on chloroform. I wondered if the question has come up....how could the flies and maggots live if there were chloroform in the trunk?

I hadn't thought about that.

 

[headndownstream]

So, despite that someone searched that computer for info on chloroform, didn't it have to get INTO the trunk after it left the impound? (After Caylee had been moved from it?)

 

[headndownstream]

Triple8, why did you add the comment "Or who are in LE. "

I missed something

 

[mrstewart]

Chloroform is very temp sensitive so maybe the maggots were able to survive because the strength was compromised from the extreme heat???

You all don't miss a thing! Amazing!

 

[TripleA]

Triple8, why did you add the comment "Or who are in LE. "

I missed something

I was responding to the comment that Chloroform, used as an inhalent, would be a good drug choice for people who are prone to drug testing, who are on probation, etc. And I am including that it would be a good drug choice for young LE officers as well, if it is undetectable.

 

[headndownstream]

Actually, maybe the temperature did make a difference mrstewart. Plus, what vapors were in the car might not have been enough to stop the maggots from living.

Sometimes I think I should just stop and think before I post!

 

[mrstewart]

Actually, maybe the temperature did make a difference mrstewart. Plus, what vapors were in the car might not have been enough to stop the maggots from living.

Sometimes I think I should just stop and think before I post!

Oh no, it is good everyone here has a banter that can develop great ideas and fine tune others

 

[headndownstream]

I was responding to the comment that Chloroform, used as an inhalent, would be a good drug choice for people who are prone to drug testing, who are on probation, etc. And I am including that it would be a good drug choice for young LE officers as well, if it is undetectable.

Got it, yep it would. But it sounds like it's nothing to mess around with. I hope it isn't the next fad for kids. Specially since we learn it can be bought on the internet.

 

[treeseeker]

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts6.html#bookmark03

What happens to chloroform when it enters the environment?
Chloroform evaporates easily into the air.
Most of the chloroform in air breaks down eventually, but it is a slow process.
The breakdown products in air include phosgene and hydrogen chloride, which are both toxic.
It doesn't stick to soil very well and can travel through soil to groundwater.
Chloroform dissolves easily in water and some of it may break down to other chemicals.
Chloroform lasts a long time in groundwater.
Chloroform doesn't appear to build up in great amounts in plants and animals.

(phosgene and hydrogen chloride are both gasses, checking for residue)

http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/lab/mrs_en_test_air.htm#Formaldehyde

Volatile Organics in Air
1,1,1-Trichloroethane, 1,2,4-Trimethylbenzene, 1,4-Dichlorobenzene, 1,4-Dichlorobenzene, 2-Ethoxy ethyl acetate, 2-Heptanone, 2-Propanol, Acetone, Benzene, Butoxy ethanol, Butyl acetate, Cumene (isopropyl benzene), Cyclohexane, Cyclohexanone, Ethanol, Ethyl acetate, Ethyl methacrylate, Ethylbenzene, Heptane, Chloroform, Hexachloroethane, iso-Butanol, Isoamyl acetate, Limonene, m/p-Xylene, Methyl ethyl ketone (MEK), Methyl isobutyl ketone, Methyl methacrylate, n-Propyl acetate, Naththalene, o-Xylene, Phenol, alpha-Pinene, sec-Butanol, Styrene, Tetrachloroethylene, Tetrahydrofuran, Toluene, Trichloroethylene Matrix
Air sample/ Charcoal tube

Method
NIOSH 1500 Volatiles in air

Sample Size Container
Charcoal tube

Preservation
25° C

Holding Time
14 days

Fee
135.00

 

[lowa1]

does anyone know what the connection between chloroform and photography is? If I remember correctly CA has been referred to as a photographer of sorts. Wondering if this could be "why" she had chloroform to begin with.

 

[mrstewart]

does anyone know what the connection between chloroform and photography is? If I remember correctly CA has been referred to as a photographer of sorts. Wondering if this could be "why" she had chloroform to begin with.

Chloroform is used in the fixing bath but I think everyone thinks she was a digital photography buff, not into traditional processing, developing and printing.

 

[lowa1]

So much for that theory...thanks

 

[mrstewart]

I just read that Chloroform can be used in an ink washing method!

Maybe this is what LE meant when they said she had a long history of criminal behavior...check washing and forging.

How do I post links??

 

[Amberjack]

Bella Durmiente - have you come across the phrase re Casey? That would be interesting!

No, I just feel Casey was exposed to children's books, Universal/Disney & lived in a fantasy world that a Prince would come along and save her from her "witch" mother.

Casey could only have La Bella Vida (A wonderful life) without Caylee.

On the way to Cocoa Beach ( Dancers Royale day out) is Little big Econ Forest...Another reference to Sleeping Beauty...Forest.