Cindy's BoA Checking Account

[Intermezzo]

Thanks Intermezzo....:seeya:

Makes sense to me!...I don't think there would be any proof of FCA being on the account that we could see but, the evidence you presented tells me you probably had it right. If FCA was approved, why not sign her name instead of CA's. I'm only at page 5, too many irons in the fire today. It's interesting to read through if no one has already. I see some already using the info here for other threads to add to the big picture of unanswered questions. You always seem to be here to pull my behind out of the fire.....:slap:

:floorlaugh:.......Deserts on me....:cupcake:.......:coffeecup:

Thank you
And thanks for the desert and coffee...just got home from my shift at work and I am hungry....

 

[MsMacGyver]

It's probably a good idea to consider that banks don't actually check signatures when you write a cheque anymore. All deposits go through a centralized processing centre and focus on the numerical ID across the bottom left of the check, and whether the date and amounts match. It is up to the individual account holder to check whether or not your balances match your activity.

Thanks LG..I'm not questioning the evidence throughout this thread that clearly shows FCA was living off of CA's money. My curiousity is directed more to the issue of whether or not CA gave FCA permission to write checks off of her account. It's obvious CA didn't authorize it through the bank. It's also obvious to me that CA would have to be comatose to claim she didn't know what was going on...

In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter, it's just another one of CA's lies to add to the list. FCA's abuse of CA's money is so blatant. GA said FCA always has to take things to the extreme. I can see where CA might have said if FCA needed something for Caylee she could use some money for that purpose and FCA took it to the extreme. CA once again ignored FCA's behavior, let her run rampant and then decided to slam on the brakes.
It was just one of the events in a long line that started the dominos falling and lead to Caylees death. For a woman to be so careless as CA was with her mothering responsibiltys, to see this huge red flag in this thread, and then to watch CA... in front of God and everyone... claim she knew nothing that was going on with FCA...is sickening. It's hypocritical in the most extreme form. CA sits on her lies all the while acting like this is all some game to be played and won by her rules. She's an abuser of the worst kind...jmo

 

[MsMacGyver]

I don't disagree with what you've said at all, but I think maybe that in a trial, the jury looks at the prosecutors as the "big guys" with all the power, while the defense is..well on the defensive, ergo the "little guys." Generally, people don't like to see "big guys" ridiculing and laughing at little guys while the little guys are trying to do their jobs. People tend to feel bad for the little guys and take their side whenever possible.

Before the trial, I thought Jeff Ashton's courtroom antics were childish and unseemly for the prosecutor in such an important case. His laughing behind his hand at Baez was obnoxious, and I think it helped turn the jury against him and more importantly, his entire case.

It may be true that some people have this perception and I do agree that JA should have checked himself. I think where we part ways is our perception.
This is just my opinion so keep in mind it's neither right or wrong. I believe once you perceive anything or anybody as having all the power, it puts you in an unfortunate position. You may give this person alot more control than they actually have. I never saw JA in this way nor JB as the little guy but your theory was discussed on HLN after the verdict came down.

I saw JA as a man who cared deeply to bring justice for Caylee, maybe to the point he overestimated the jurors capacity to see what he saw. I saw JB as someone who had little respect for his profession and the court system, didn't have the experience to handle a death penalty case and turned a court of law into a showmans arena. He used every dirty little trick to get FCA off and didn't even have enough respect for the victim, in this case a little girl, to celebrate in private. JB didn't win anything and I haven't heard the fat lady singing yet...:seeya:
jmo

 

[MsMacGyver]

Are you serious??

Probably more serious than I should be at times Horace. I'm reading this thread with new eyes on this evidence, I missed some parts. It's mind boggling to me that CA could have a checking acct. and claim to not see what was happening....:waitasec:........:crazy:

 

[LambChop]

Probably more serious than I should be at times Horace. I'm reading this thread with new eyes on this evidence, I missed some parts. It's mind boggling to me that CA could have a checking acct. and claim to not see what was happening....:waitasec:........:crazy:

Oh, she knew what was happening. She even told her mother about losing the money but I think GA took the blame and I'm not sure she blamed KC, at least not all the time. I tend to think CA could not control KC because of Caylee. Caylee was KC's license to steal and when CA finally took that ability away from KC, KC got rid of Caylee. Is Caylee gone because KC wanted to send a message to her mother? The duct tape across the mouth with the heart-shaped sticker, the t-shirt with "Big Trouble Comes In Small Packages", that fact that KC kept giving her mother clues "She's close" "I feel she's close to home." I think KC wants CA to feel the reason Caylee is dead is because of what CA did to KC.

I also feel LDB should have brought the stealing into evidence as a motive for Caylee's death. There really is a lot there and enough to convince a jury this girl was out of control and Caylee's death may have been the result of rage. jmo

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Probably more serious than I should be at times Horace. I'm reading this thread with new eyes on this evidence, I missed some parts. It's mind boggling to me that CA could have a checking acct. and claim to not see what was happening....:waitasec:........:crazy:

Ok. Do you think Casey had an honest agreement with Cindy about withdrawal privileges? I don't mean to be curt, but we know that Casey was stealing from Cindy and her Grandfather...

 

[MsMacGyver]

Oh, she knew what was happening. She even told her mother about losing the money but I think GA took the blame and I'm not sure she blamed KC, at least not all the time. I tend to think CA could not control KC because of Caylee. Caylee was KC's license to steal and when CA finally took that ability away from KC, KC got rid of Caylee. Is Caylee gone because KC wanted to send a message to her mother? The duct tape across the mouth with the heart-shaped sticker, the t-shirt with "Big Trouble Comes In Small Packages", that fact that KC kept giving her mother clues "She's close" "I feel she's close to home." I think KC wants CA to feel the reason Caylee is dead is because of what CA did to KC.

I also feel LDB should have brought the stealing into evidence as a motive for Caylee's death. There really is a lot there and enough to convince a jury this girl was out of control and Caylee's death may have been the result of rage. jmo

I agree with most of your post LC..I think FCA blamed GA and CA took her side against GA. Someone up thread posted on this. FCA was playing one parent against the other and it worked. Otherwise I think your spot on.
I can see from where I'm sitting, my girl had her son young and lived with me. If I had given her access to my checking in any way shape or form...she would have had a field day with my money. The difference being..she did have a job and was going to school, raising her son...she was diagnosed as bi-polar so I knew she had an issue with control when it came to shopping. CA had to have seen enough to know and did nothing to stop it. Whats her excuse? She was working long hours...bull! I was divorced, had 3 kids, working full time, an ex threatening to kill me, a drunken ex father-in-law threathening to take my kids away from me, a mother reminding me how bad of a job I was doing and I still managed to keep close watch on my kids. My kids had respect for me, they knew I would pin their ears back if I caught them doing something they shouldn't. Their not perfect but I never expected them to be, just wanted them to be happy and grow into good people. I'm still trying to get that through one of my kids head..shes stubborn...like her mother...:floorlaugh:

It's not hard when you love and care for them. CA almost reminds me of my Mom, forget about the attention...heres 20.00, go buy yourself something. I believe CA feels alot of guilt for Caylees death. FCA's enjoyment out of twisting the knife shows her evil, spiteful character and I totally agree,,,if the jurors would had a small snapshot of this picture here...it might have given them a better understanding about the rest of the evidence...

Thats why DS statement made no sense. Maybe she really believes the NG verdict...Maybe FCA found some people just like her parents to play against...there was something that snowballed in that trial but it was no accident...FCA knew exactly how to work her evil....

I'm done ranting now LC...:heartbeat:
jmo

 

[MsMacGyver]

Ok. Do you think Casey had an honest agreement with Cindy about withdrawal privileges? I don't mean to be curt, but we know that Casey was stealing from Cindy and her Grandfather...

Horace, I appreciate your directness....:heartbeat:

My sister likes to draw a straight line from point A to point B
I frustrate her at times ....:maddening:........:dunno:

I don't think FCA had an honest motive about anything. She knew how to work CA...I do think it's possible that CA threw money at FCA instead of taking the time to deal with the problems staring her right square in her face. Possibly adding insult to injury by allowing FCA to use money for Caylee. Who knows, maybe CA gave FCA a check and said...I have to work late, get food from the pizza joint. Once FCA got her foot in the door..BAM..she was in. I'm trying my best to avoid rehashing and in doing so I may have stuck my foot in it..:waitasec:

Give me time to catch up with you............:seeya:

Seems like alot agree this thread would have been inportant evidence for the prosecution...I'm shocked it wasn't used.

 

[Intermezzo]

Oh, she knew what was happening. She even told her mother about losing the money but I think GA took the blame and I'm not sure she blamed KC, at least not all the time. I tend to think CA could not control KC because of Caylee. Caylee was KC's license to steal and when CA finally took that ability away from KC, KC got rid of Caylee. Is Caylee gone because KC wanted to send a message to her mother? The duct tape across the mouth with the heart-shaped sticker, the t-shirt with "Big Trouble Comes In Small Packages", that fact that KC kept giving her mother clues "She's close" "I feel she's close to home." I think KC wants CA to feel the reason Caylee is dead is because of what CA did to KC.

I also feel LDB should have brought the stealing into evidence as a motive for Caylee's death. There really is a lot there and enough to convince a jury this girl was out of control and Caylee's death may have been the result of rage. jmo

bbm
I agree...

 

[LambChop]

bbm
I agree...

While I think SA should have brought stealing from CA in I do not believe they could unless JB opened the door. At the time SA may have been thinking it will make the A's appear really disfunctional and may have the affect it ended up having on the jury which SA did not want. Plus CA was not a reliable witness she would have said she let KC borrow the money but with witnesses that would have been proven false. But I do think the links are there that connect up to KC being upset with her mother for calling her out on those charges. Especially CA's credit card she thought was paid off. Can you imagine getting the mail after KC moved and find you owe over $8,000 on a credit card you paid off. jmo

 

[logicalgirl]

bbm
I agree...

Yes, but I just understand why she didn't because there was SOOOOO much other evidence ....and since she didn't have to - or wasn't required to motive...I guess it never occurred to her that with a mountain of forensics and behaviour info that the jury still wouldn't "get" it.:banghead:

And since she knew CA was already going to lie about other evidence -....one assumes she would lie about this also...

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

Ok. Do you think Casey had an honest agreement with Cindy about withdrawal privileges? I don't mean to be curt, but we know that Casey was stealing from Cindy and her Grandfather...

(fair warning - I have not done my catching up on this thread but tihs post caught my eye...)

IMHO if and I mean if - Cindy agreed to any allowing FCA to write on her account it was well after the first (30) incursions.

The check numbers alone tell me FCA was filching checks from the backs of the books... Or ordering her own set.

Besides... FCA had a job. And her own account, and 15k saved, and all that.
Theif. And one I don't believe will ever stop.

 

[sleutherontheside]

IMO....CA never gave KC the OK to write checks. Instead, I think she just "ignored" it because her fear that KC would take Caylee away was always front and center in her mind.

 

[Hope4More]

1. My guess why CA didn't respond ASAP to these thefts:

She had to know about the check thefts. How could she not, what with the amounts, and the zero-ing of bank balances which caused more bounced checks, etc. Going through the recent-enough GA theft ordeal. Trying to catch up financially. She knew. She'd have to be comatose not to.

2. CA's default mode seems to be denial, and i think that's the deep rabbit hole she went down after the major check thefts began in December 2007.

I think her fear about OCA's increasingly erratic and angry behavior-- including but not restricted to the thefts-- was too great for her to face, all the more so because it caused her own increasing rage that she would not allow herself to confront or deal with either. Deny, deny, deny.

2. One of my guesses about OCA's check theft behavior:

I think OCA starting the major check thefts for the simple reason that she wanted stuff, she didn't have money of her own, and it didn't bother her one wit to steal.

After the first round of thefts, I think a different dynamic began. OCA saw that CA was staying silent on the matter, so she upped the ante, both because she knew she could, and because she was curious how far she could go before CA cracked. She likely relished this means of tormenting and controlling her mother.

OCA must have been especially gratified about this particular torment because it was a perfect and on-point revenge for CA ignoring OCA's objections and allowing thieving GA back into the household. (That insult still very much on OCA's mind through June 2008).

More thefts, daily thefts, and still no response from CA. OCA must have despised and felt more contemptuous of CA by the day.

At some point I think the lack of a response from CA might have caused OCA a different flavor of rage. Here she was, as in CA's face as she could possibly get, and her mother STILL wouldn't acknowledge her.

More thefts by OCA, more silence from CA, increasing rage felt by both, a battle of wills.
Finally, in silence, without giving OCA the satisfaction of a confrontation, CA won the battle by closing her account. Take THAT, daughter.

I think it's possible that the rage OCA felt after CA closed the account (neck breaking Googles, etc) wasn't so much because she had her spending avenue cut off, but because her mother had once again, from OCA's perspective, taken back absolute control of OCA. And THAT loss of control, OCA's bottom line, she was absolutely NOT going to tolerate.

Just a theory.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Hope.........the thanks button just wasn't enough.

 

[Hope4More]

Super Sleuth--:great: Thank you for the nice response!

 

[charok]

Super Sleuth--:great: Thank you for the nice response!

i was very impressed with your theroy too..especially to get back w/ ca for letting ga back into the house despite her protests..truth be told you probably hit the nail DEAD ON THE HEAD with the hammer. (of course its just moo)i couldnt hit the thanks button enough either.

 

[wonders]

Yup, thanks button just wasn't enough Hope4More.
I have also wondered how much of the theivery OCA blamed on GA.

 

[LambChop]

Super Sleuth--:great: Thank you for the nice response!

GA left home and filed for divorce when he got his settlement from Worker's Comp. CA and GA paid off some bills and I believe GA left with $30,000 for himself. GA also claimed that he lost money in a scam but you have to wonder if that actually happened or did GA hide some of that money away so KC would not find out where it was. Either a separate bank account or maybe in his father's name. I just do not see GA working hard and letting KC walk away with all that money and not doing something about it. We know he had no checking account, cashed his check at Amscot and paid utility bills there. He could have put it in an annuity. They are just way too together with their household (it's as neat as a pin, everything is organized) not to have done something to keep KC from taking everything away from them.

I think the money in the foundation is a way to keep KC from getting at that money so there is no incentive for her to look up "household weapons". lol jmo

 

[logicalgirl]

The other thing that occurs to me is that we all assume OCA killed Caylee in a rage because of an argument with CA...and it could have been as simple as Caylee saying CeCe is mad at you for stealing Grandpa's money....If OCA was already seriously over the age about being cut off - a simple comment might very well have been the trigger...

I just spent a day with a little guy just over two and was amazed at his vocabulary and how clearly he says things - also that he says things to see what effect they will have.