Cindy's (draft?) email to Casey--computer forensics report

[Oakley]

Good thought.

***SPECULATION ALERT. NOT TRUE QUOTES! *******

Casey: "Mom, OMG. I was sitting here innocently in Jacksonville and Zanny's sister Samantha volunteered to pick up a couple of things from the house for me with that key I gave Zanny, and Dad saw her car pulling out of the driveway and CHASED her in his car like a MANIAC. OMG he's crazy you should divorce him."

Cindy: "George, I can't believe you chased Casey's friend in her car! You're paranoid and unstable! You could have been in an accident and killed the poor girl!"

George: "What me huh what? I was at work the whole time." (Thinking in his head: I'd better not admit I think it was Casey driving that car. Last time I tried to check out one of Casey's lies (Sports Authority job) Cindy was really mad.)

Too funny. For some reason, this little scenario brought to mind Tweety Bird (Casey) and Sylvester (George.) This thread has been a fascinating read.

And that would make Hector the Dog = Cindy!

****Apologies for quoting myself and (possible) O/T. Just cracking myself up with this mental image****

 

[aafromaa]

Actually he was still working for Security Forces. His last day working for them was Friday, July 4th. It seems as if Georgie was lying. Oh, try not to act so shocked!

Plus, he didn't even mention the job at Security Forces at all on his application for Andrews but instead stated his last job ended Feb/08. Strange!

I had always thought that GA was hired at Andrews on 6/24 (gas can day) because he stated that as the day that he stated he "got the job offer" and that he started his new job at Andrews on 7/14 (the reason he couldn't go to PO that Monday). I had concluded that he agreed to start on 7/14 to give ample notice to Security Forces but had in my notes that his last day with them was the 29th or 30th and was puzzled why someone in his apparent financial state would want to have a 2 week gap between jobs but thought that perhaps with CA's vacation he just wanted to be off too.

Now, looking at the dates in the emails and records from Andrews, it appears that GA was not hired on 6/24. Here's what I see now...

4/22 GA's careerbuilder's resume is sent to NM @ Andrews (likely the resume was prepared prior to working at Security Forces though this does not explain why he omitted it from the application completed in June)

6/2 NM prints this email & GA's resume - note at top of pg says 6/3 LM & is scratched thru - another note says 6/12/08 @ 11am (not sure when this note was written - but my guess is that it refers to an interview being scheduled which could have been a phone interview or an in person interview that was later rescheduled)

6/17 GA completes application at Andrews so this is probably the date the in person interview actually took place (GA states he is not currently employed on this application)

6/19 NM at Andrews sends email with offer letter

6/20 GA sends response email requesting extra 50 cents an hour and delaying start date from 7/1 to 7/7 due and cites medical tests thru 6/30 - it appears that NM must have spoken to GA after that email and before she sent the next one later that day in which she refers to a previous conversation and some changes & a job description for field captain where previously they had been referring to the position he applied for as field supervisor & they set up an additional interview

6/23 GA sends email to confirm he will be at interview on 24th

6/24 GA has interview at 6:30pm

6/30 GA sends email asking if he is still being considered for a position at Andrews (which means he was not offered a job on 6/24 & that he did not give Security Forces notice as I had previously thought)

7/2 GA sends email thanking Andrews for hiring him (IMO it's likely they did so on this day)

7/3 GA goes to Andrews to complete new hire paperwork

7/11 GA fills out a field supervisor daily report & vehicle gas log (so the 14th was not exactly 1st day with Andrews)

7/14 GA is stuck in traffic for 2 hrs near the end of his work day


It now appears to me that GA left his job at Security Forces before getting another job at Andrews or if your date of the 4th as his last day is accurate then he worked at most 2 days after being hired by Andrews - I have in my notes that GA's last day with Security Forces was June 29th or 30th - unfortunately, my notes do not tell me where I got that from so it could be that my notes are wrong, but could you tell me where you got that it was the 4th?

TIA

 

[Reagan]

:dance:

You know, if we have to start a new thread for each of their lies, this is going to be the biggest forum on the internet.

Our fellow poster Valhall has started an anthony "encycliepedia" over at her blog The Hinky Meter, which are just amazing in itself. Her last entry about the A's lies were about cindy's lies about the imaginanny. Not only did I think her server almost exploded trying to compile that, but I'm pretty sure many of our brains exploded from trying to comprehend these peoples lies. Very interesting reads for sure. Exhausting yes, but interesting.

 

[LambChop]

There's a certain arrogance to his letters to his new employer IMO. Like he thinks they're lucky to have him and he's doing them a favour working for low wage. Don't you tell a prospective employer at the interview of a conflict at home that would prevent you starting the minute they want you too? You negotiate starting dates with all kinds of positions I realize, but do you do it when all you've managed to secure in your mid fifties is entry level jobs usually performed by people brand new to the country?

I don't think GA works well with others and ICA's work ethic or lack of one was emulated after her Dad IMO.

LOL. That is the cop ego in them. It's almost as if GA is saying "I was a cop for heaven's sake." It never leaves them no matter how long they have been away from the department. If you have a number of years experience usually the employer will start you higher than entry level and it appears if what he was getting per hour is correct as he reported it he was getting a higher pay than entry level.

There was room for one ego in this family. GA probably had a very exciting job compared to CA. So what did she do. Told him he had to leave the police department and work selling cars. CA now had the more interesting job, the better job, the more professional job to feed the ego.

I can see by GA's actions he regrets leaving the police force and still wishes he had never listened to her. Nothing could be worse for a man who knows what he wants to do for a career than to be told he can't do it because the "little woman" does want him to. And for no other reason than she wants her own way.

I onced asked my husband why he did not want to become a fireman instead of a police officer. He said, "Are you kidding? At least I can look into the eyes of a suspect and figure out what his next move is. With a fire if you're trapped, you're dead, no second chances. Most dangerous job in the world." jmo

 

[Oakley]

There's a certain arrogance to his letters to his new employer IMO. Like he thinks they're lucky to have him and he's doing them a favour working for low wage. Don't you tell a prospective employer at the interview of a conflict at home that would prevent you starting the minute they want you too? You negotiate starting dates with all kinds of positions I realize, but do you do it when all you've managed to secure in your mid fifties is entry level jobs usually performed by people brand new to the country?

I don't think GA works well with others and ICA's work ethic or lack of one was emulated after her Dad IMO.

I have a vague recollection of seeing something about how Lee & KC laughed about their father and his ineptitude at holding and keeping a job. They thought of GA as a loser, etc (wish I could recall where this information came from)..but it makes some sense that they would "enjoy" running GA down, because GA had made such enormous errors (gambling, having to rely on CA's $$ etc). This observation may belong more in the family dynamic thread...but in reference to the above, GA had indeed "been somebody" in his life and taking lesser jobs couldn't have been easy...I'm sure he had to work with people who he felt were way beneath him--sort of like in "Paul Bart, Mall Cop". Not to say GA shouldn't have and couldn't have sucked it up to work at whatever he could get, but we all know that the entire family thinks they are better at everything than they are.

Yes he certainly is arrogant, IMO. Recalling the ad's for 'personal assistants' for himself and Lee in the very beginning of this. A PA with an expert skill set, and no compensation while expecting the PA to provide their own cell phone, computer, vehicle, and ability to fly wherever needed. I'll get right on it!

Affinity, I think what you are referring to is the "Jobs for Dummies" book Lee and Casey reportedly gave George one year for Christmas, that they all thought was so funny.

 

[Dear Prudence]

I had always thought that GA was hired at Andrews on 6/24 (gas can day) because he stated that as the day that he stated he "got the job offer" and that he started his new job at Andrews on 7/14 (the reason he couldn't go to PO that Monday). I had concluded that he agreed to start on 7/14 to give ample notice to Security Forces but had in my notes that his last day with them was the 29th or 30th and was puzzled why someone in his apparent financial state would want to have a 2 week gap between jobs but thought that perhaps with CA's vacation he just wanted to be off too.

Now, looking at the dates in the emails and records from Andrews, it appears that GA was not hired on 6/24. Here's what I see now...

4/22 GA's careerbuilder's resume is sent to NM @ Andrews (likely the resume was prepared prior to working at Security Forces though this does not explain why he omitted it from the application completed in June)

6/2 NM prints this email & GA's resume - note at top of pg says 6/3 LM & is scratched thru - another note says 6/12/08 @ 11am (not sure when this note was written - but my guess is that it refers to an interview being scheduled which could have been a phone interview or an in person interview that was later rescheduled)

6/17 GA completes application at Andrews so this is probably the date the in person interview actually took place (GA states he is not currently employed on this application)

6/19 NM at Andrews sends email with offer letter

6/20 GA sends response email requesting extra 50 cents an hour and delaying start date from 7/1 to 7/7 due and cites medical tests thru 6/30 - it appears that NM must have spoken to GA after that email and before she sent the next one later that day in which she refers to a previous conversation and some changes & a job description for field captain where previously they had been referring to the position he applied for as field supervisor & they set up an additional interview

6/23 GA sends email to confirm he will be at interview on 24th

6/24 GA has interview at 6:30pm

6/30 GA sends email asking if he is still being considered for a position at Andrews (which means he was not offered a job on 6/24 & that he did not give Security Forces notice as I had previously thought)

7/2 GA sends email thanking Andrews for hiring him (IMO it's likely they did so on this day)

7/3 GA goes to Andrews to complete new hire paperwork

7/11 GA fills out a field supervisor daily report & vehicle gas log (so the 14th was not exactly 1st day with Andrews)

7/14 GA is stuck in traffic for 2 hrs near the end of his work day


It now appears to me that GA left his job at Security Forces before getting another job at Andrews or if your date of the 4th as his last day is accurate then he worked at most 2 days after being hired by Andrews - I have in my notes that GA's last day with Security Forces was June 29th or 30th - unfortunately, my notes do not tell me where I got that from so it could be that my notes are wrong, but could you tell me where you got that it was the 4th?

TIA

Sorry I was wrong. His last day was July 3rd.

All his Security Forces timesheets are here: http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2010/1102/25605293.pdf

The last one is on p. 196 for week ending July 4th.

Thanks for the timeline above. I thought June 24th was interesting. According to the Security Forces timesheet on pdf p. 200 he took the whole day off yet he told Andrews he was available for the job interview from 5:30 PM - 8 PM according to the email on p. 168. The 24th was the gas can incident day. What was George doing all day and why couldn't he interview during the day? It looks like his normal work hours were 3 - 11 PM so why take the whole day off?

 

[LambChop]

Sorry I was wrong. His last day was July 3rd.

All his Security Forces timesheets are here: http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2010/1102/25605293.pdf

The last one is on p. 196 for week ending July 4th.

Thanks for the timeline above. I thought June 24th was interesting. According to the Security Forces timesheet on pdf p. 200 he took the whole day off yet he told Andrews he was available for the job interview from 5:30 PM - 8 PM according to the email on p. 168. The 24th was the gas can incident day. What was George doing all day and why couldn't he interview during the day? It looks like his normal work hours were 3 - 11 PM so why take the whole day off?

My guess is he was trying to catch KC when she came home. CA would not be taking off of work but I'll bet she may have told GA to see if he could catch her if she stopped by the house. jmo

 

[countzero]

Sorry I was wrong. His last day was July 3rd.

All his Security Forces timesheets are here: http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2010/1102/25605293.pdf

The last one is on p. 196 for week ending July 4th.

Thanks for the timeline above. I thought June 24th was interesting. According to the Security Forces timesheet on pdf p. 200 he took the whole day off yet he told Andrews he was available for the job interview from 5:30 PM - 8 PM according to the email on p. 168. The 24th was the gas can incident day. What was George doing all day and why couldn't he interview during the day? It looks like his normal work hours were 3 - 11 PM so why take the whole day off?

I cannot do it right now, but might the computer forensics tell us if he was on the computer that day??? Just a thought.

My guess is he was trying to catch KC when she came home. CA would not be taking off of work but I'll bet she may have told GA to see if he could catch her if she stopped by the house. jmo

After the butt chewing he got for going to Sports Authority, I doubt CA would have GA confront ICA. Then again ......

 

[LambChop]

I cannot do it right now, but might the computer forensics tell us if he was on the computer that day??? Just a thought.




After the butt chewing he got for going to Sports Authority, I doubt CA would have GA confront ICA. Then again ......

For the person who likes to control everything wouldn't it depend on who did the initiating? lol

 

[aafromaa]

Sorry I was wrong. His last day was July 3rd.

All his Security Forces timesheets are here: http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2010/1102/25605293.pdf

The last one is on p. 196 for week ending July 4th.

Thanks for the timeline above. I thought June 24th was interesting. According to the Security Forces timesheet on pdf p. 200 he took the whole day off yet he told Andrews he was available for the job interview from 5:30 PM - 8 PM according to the email on p. 168. The 24th was the gas can incident day. What was George doing all day and why couldn't he interview during the day? It looks like his normal work hours were 3 - 11 PM so why take the whole day off?

Thanks Dear P - I guess I just hadn't gotten that far down in the docs

as for the 24th and GA taking the whole day off for the interview instead of doing it earlier in the day - I'm not sure that was an option - in one of the Andrews emails where this interview is requested a JM asks NM to set it at 5:30 (though I'm confused by the date stamp on that one) but NM said GA could meet between 5:30 and 8pm - it may be that NM needed it to be in the evening - also note that GA did work a day shift that Friday which could have been to make up for hours he requested off on the 24th or he could have been given off on the 24th because they needed him to work on the 27th which was usually one of his days off

now - after reviewing those time sheets you pointed me to...

GA sends email to Andrews asking if still being considered for a position at 1:22pm that Mon (6/30) and works 3-11pm at Security Forces and sometime after sending that email on Monday and sending the next one thanking Andrews for the job on Wednesday is when he actually gets hired and his last day at Security Forces is that Thursday 7/3 after he completes his new hire paperwork at Andrews that morning at 11am

Now I want to know - from what computer did GA send his thank you email to Andrews at 5:19pm on Wednesday while he was "working" 3-11pm at Security Forces?

I didn't think GA's job at Security Forces would be one where he would be at a computer during his shift - that is that he would be "in the field" as opposed to in an office. I've seen speculation that GA stopped by the house during his shifts and could have used the computer there - but wouldn't CA have been home by then and wondered what he was doing there when he was supposed to be at work? If it wasn't a work computer and it wasn't a home computer - what computer was he using? If it was the home computer in the middle of his shift then doesn't that mean that any of the computer usage that sleuthers previously ruled out as being GA because he was at work might actually have been him afterall?

 

[McNEverest]

GA was working on Father's Day - his usual shift was 3PM to 11PM.
On June 15 he was working for Security Forces. His last week with them was the first week in July 2008.

From what I can tell, he began working for Andrews Int'l. in July of 2008. I believe July 11 was his first day. He worked July 14 and 15 too.

His work records were released in the 11/2 doc dump. I have a note here next to the date of June 16 that says written page 23176, clickorlando pdf. pg. 202.

Thank you,
I just didn't read any information on Security Forces, pay check etc... was it only the word of George or Cindy?
would like to see documentation of that job to be sure? especially if was not mentioned to the 'new career' job is why I still question whether George actually had a job in June 2008...

 

[McNEverest]

Thank you,
I just didn't read any information on Security Forces, pay check etc... was it only the word of George or Cindy?
would like to see documentation of that job to be sure? especially if was not mentioned to the 'new career' job is why I still question whether George actually had a job in June 2008...

Scratch this post! :banghead:
haha was answered, thanks so much to whom posted the link to Security Forces docs

 

[chefmom]

I've always felt that if George or anyone else helped Casey dispose of Caylee's remains, they wouldn't have simply tossed her remains around the corner from the house on Suburban Drive. Certainly George's law enforcement background would have made him think in terms of something more permanent and far away. I think he would have buried the remains in a location that's remote from the area and probably outside of Orlando. He would have thought about the remains being discovered and would have taken steps to prevent that.

The fact that Caylee's remains were found right around the corner from her home and not buried, has all the earmarks of Casey and Casey alone as having disposed of Caylee.

ITA! There is no way that they would have left that baby down the street to rot if they had known early on that she was there. Now, I do believe that they knew in November when they sent DC down there to poke around in the dirt and rip into every garbage bag that he came across. They knew she was there then, and I don't doubt that they would have removed what was left of her and done something else with it so that she would never be found. They were in full cover-up for ICA at that point, and burying Caylees tiny bones in a shoebox under the playhouse would have been the "right" thing to do in their minds. They would have felt that they were giving Caylee a "proper" burial while keeping her close to the family, and at the same time they would have removed the one thing that could ensure ICA stayed in prison. JMO.

 

[quadlatte]

Thanks Dear P - I guess I just hadn't gotten that far down in the docs

as for the 24th and GA taking the whole day off for the interview instead of doing it earlier in the day - I'm not sure that was an option - in one of the Andrews emails where this interview is requested a JM asks NM to set it at 5:30 (though I'm confused by the date stamp on that one) but NM said GA could meet between 5:30 and 8pm - it may be that NM needed it to be in the evening - also note that GA did work a day shift that Friday which could have been to make up for hours he requested off on the 24th or he could have been given off on the 24th because they needed him to work on the 27th which was usually one of his days off

now - after reviewing those time sheets you pointed me to...

GA sends email to Andrews asking if still being considered for a position at 1:22pm that Mon (6/30) and works 3-11pm at Security Forces and sometime after sending that email on Monday and sending the next one thanking Andrews for the job on Wednesday is when he actually gets hired and his last day at Security Forces is that Thursday 7/3 after he completes his new hire paperwork at Andrews that morning at 11am

Now I want to know - from what computer did GA send his thank you email to Andrews at 5:19pm on Wednesday while he was "working" 3-11pm at Security Forces?

I didn't think GA's job at Security Forces would be one where he would be at a computer during his shift - that is that he would be "in the field" as opposed to in an office. I've seen speculation that GA stopped by the house during his shifts and could have used the computer there - but wouldn't CA have been home by then and wondered what he was doing there when he was supposed to be at work? If it wasn't a work computer and it wasn't a home computer - what computer was he using? If it was the home computer in the middle of his shift then doesn't that mean that any of the computer usage that sleuthers previously ruled out as being GA because he was at work might actually have been him afterall?

I just wanted to comment that you are assuming that GA was the author of the email... However, I wouldn't put it past CA to "help" GA by sending a timely response in his absence.:waitasec:

Plus, much of the start date email sounded like it was transcribed from CA's mouth - after all, she is the professional in the family.:waitasec:

 

[logicalgirl]

My guess is he was trying to catch KC when she came home. CA would not be taking off of work but I'll bet she may have told GA to see if he could catch her if she stopped by the house. jmo

Heck, maybe he was going home to watch a little *advertiser censored* on the home computer as a way to relieve a little anxiety. I understand it's a habit that can really be demanding in it's need. And did we see George calling ICA and begging her to bring Caylee home because he missed her so much. I don't remember seeing any. For my mind, the only reason he was tracking ICA at Sports Authority etc., was because she was stealing money from CA's account that wasn't there for him to use. I don't get the feeling he was sorry ICA wasn't around although there is no denying his love for Caylee.

 

[chefmom]

I just wanted to comment that you are assuming that GA was the author of the email... However, I wouldn't put it past CA to "help" GA by sending a timely response in his absence.:waitasec:

Plus, much of the start date email sounded like it was transcribed from CA's mouth - after all, she is the professional in the family.:waitasec:

At this point, I would not put ANYTHING past ANYONE of them. They have proven thay they can't be trusted, IMO.

 

[logicalgirl]

ITA! There is no way that they would have left that baby down the street to rot if they had known early on that she was there. Now, I do believe that they knew in November when they sent DC down there to poke around in the dirt and rip into every garbage bag that he came across. They knew she was there then, and I don't doubt that they would have removed what was left of her and done something else with it so that she would never be found. They were in full cover-up for ICA at that point, and burying Caylees tiny bones in a shoebox under the playhouse would have been the "right" thing to do in their minds. They would have felt that they were giving Caylee a "proper" burial while keeping her close to the family, and at the same time they would have removed the one thing that could ensure ICA stayed in prison. JMO.

A nurse and a cop - wouldn't they know there was no way there was a "body" down the street since Caylee had been missing since mid June?

 

[Leila]

I have a vague recollection of seeing something about how Lee & KC laughed about their father and his ineptitude at holding and keeping a job. They thought of GA as a loser, etc (wish I could recall where this information came from)..but it makes some sense that they would "enjoy" running GA down, because GA had made such enormous errors (gambling, having to rely on CA's $$ etc). This observation may belong more in the family dynamic thread...but in reference to the above, GA had indeed "been somebody" in his life and taking lesser jobs couldn't have been easy...I'm sure he had to work with people who he felt were way beneath him--sort of like in "Paul Bart, Mall Cop". Not to say GA shouldn't have and couldn't have sucked it up to work at whatever he could get, but we all know that the entire family thinks they are better at everything than they are.

I remember reading some report in which Casey and Lee joked about getting George a book titled, "Jobs for Dummies" or something like that for Father's Day.

 

[OneLostGrl]

...or...perhaps something was left amiss at the house that CA noticed when she got home-a light on, a door open, something out on the counter. She had already suspected KC was lying about her whereabouts, as Lee had busted KC out earlier in the month (3rd or 4th of July) and GA busted KC at home when she was supposed to be in Tampa in June. CA suspected KC was coming in and out of the house. In fact, don't we know for sure that CA knew KC was in and out? Didn't CA say in one of her interviews that KC would come in and take clothes? Plus, don't tell me CA did not notice her food missing. I have to wonder if KC just took popsicles to make it look like she was taking stuff for Caylee.
It may just so happen that GA was really the one at home that day, but had his own reasons for being sneaky.
Very very worst case scenario is that KC and GA were meeting at the home to cover up Caylee's disappearance in some way, or that both were complicite in placing the body from the backyard down to Suburban...but I doubt that, really just a conspiracy theory that GA knew where Caylee was by then.
...hmmm...but was a stain in the HHR confirmed? Can we eliminate GA placing the body at Suburban? I still don't think so, but hafta put it out there.
If it is true that KC was doing regular drive-bys at that time (I am certain she did a drive by on July 1st), maybe she saw GA there-Though his car should have been in the garage as normal.
Brain gears on overdrive, keep sleuthing, people!

I don't know why this is in my head but for some reason I always thought they were talking about the pool ladder being left down. I don't know if I read it somewhere or just invented it in my head..

 

[Leila]

LOL. That is the cop ego in them. It's almost as if GA is saying "I was a cop for heaven's sake." It never leaves them no matter how long they have been away from the department. If you have a number of years experience usually the employer will start you higher than entry level and it appears if what he was getting per hour is correct as he reported it he was getting a higher pay than entry level.

There was room for one ego in this family. GA probably had a very exciting job compared to CA. So what did she do. Told him he had to leave the police department and work selling cars. CA now had the more interesting job, the better job, the more professional job to feed the ego.

I can see by GA's actions he regrets leaving the police force and still wishes he had never listened to her. Nothing could be worse for a man who knows what he wants to do for a career than to be told he can't do it because the "little woman" does want him to. And for no other reason than she wants her own way.

I onced asked my husband why he did not want to become a fireman instead of a police officer. He said, "Are you kidding? At least I can look into the eyes of a suspect and figure out what his next move is. With a fire if you're trapped, you're dead, no second chances. Most dangerous job in the world." jmo

My husband is a retired fireman, and in comparing the job of a police officer to a fireman, he says "people thank a fireman for putting out a fire or saving their life, but no one thanks police officers for giving them a ticket or arresting them."

Firefighting is a dangerous job, but sadly, now days I think more police officers are killed in the line of duty than firemen.