Closing Arguments- thread #172

[Plumeria5]

Did she really stop taking notes? I'm, going to have to re-watch.


Thinking here: Jennifer and Kurt would have to be essentially intellectually impaired to a degree, to not see just how guilty she is.

I missed the very end. Is there a replay right now?
It will be a long sleepless night for them. Juan will be comfy and cozy all snuggled up in his bed.

 

[SunnyinMO]

I didn't hear him say anything about 1, but I was interrupted a couple of times.

He did discuss number 2, and mocked her. :giggle:

And he spent a lot of time discounting number 3, and he berated her for trying to murder his reputation after she killed him.

JMO but I think he will use the 'I would beg for the death penalty' in his rebuttal

 

[nursebeeme]

Should I include a third option: "I will watch the defense closing but only under the influence of something strong"

maybe some would vote for that.. I still am opting for the read only version. And I will also most likely do other things.

why?

I am sick of Travis being bashed and I know they will taken an ENTIRE DAY to do it again and you know what.. I want no part of it. at all.

 

[Bittiness39]

Somewhere, George Anthony is saying, "e'ffing gas cans!"

Full circle to my peeps in the Casey case.

Who would have thought, gas cans would be the strongest, most easy to prove non-circumstantial evidence against Jodi for premeditation would be a gas can?
Somewhere Caylee is smiling. She totally is. Jmo.

 

[Nali87]

There is caselaw, and that's how I know this. I don't have it handy but the caselaw was cited in the judge's ruling on the defense motion to dismiss the felony murder charge. You can find it in the minutes.

Nurmi had a LOT of nerve to say Juan Martinez was misstating the law when the judge has already ruled she could be charged with felony murder as well! He knew he was going to be overruled, he just wanted that seed planted for his closing argument tomorrow.

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

I'm not going to lie, I gave Juan a standing ovation in my living room when he was finished!! There are no words to describe how incredibly awesome he was today!

Literal standing ovation here, too.

Me and my 3 kitties. :cat::cat::cat:

 

[fran]

:wave:

This thread is getting rather long. We should move over to a fresh thread for this evening. Lots to talk about! This thread will close in 15 minutes.

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[pipkins]

JA will be practising her sad face ready for tomorrow.... I CANNOT wait to see her reaction when the guilty verdict is read

 

[Arishia]

I probably should ask on the Lawyer Thread, but would also like comments here if anybody would like to comment.

So, if JA killed TA with his own gun and left with the gun, that is burglary, felony murder? Wouldn't TA have to report the burglary, gun stolen? If he did not report it stolen, could it be seen as borrowed?

I am tired and rather confused!

Umm, no. If you buy the story she told about grabbing his gun to 'stop' him, then no permission was given. You can't add anything that wasn't accepted into evidence at trial. There was no evidence that he gave her permission to borrow his gun, so you can't consider that. Juan has checkmated the DT with the single charge of 1st degree by premeditation and or felony murder. That's why Nurmi went to so much trouble to try to get the felony murder part thrown out, unsuccessfully.

 

[dhunter]

Is anyone else deeply troubled when Arias fake cries?

Arias' long fingers covering her face as she postures her face in contrived grief stricken poses - at times allowing the court to see her take deep breaths associated with sobbing - is, at best, Arias' reproduction of a person breaking down due to a heavy sorrow, mourning, and heart ache.

Arias' courtroom tears - almost five years after she murdered Travis Alexander are as original / genuine as her original / genuine carbon copy artwork.

Arias' courtroom demeanor - the laughing, the faces of disgust, her phony weeping is illustrates just how incongruous Arias is. In court - almost five years after she slaughtered Travis Alexander - Arias conducts herself aberrant with no respect to The State of Arizona - void of empathy to Travis Alexander's family - indifferent to slaughtering a human being (her victim Travis Alexander).

Arias' courtroom tears - especially during The Prosecutor's Closing are unbecoming. Especially when she shows her irritation at The State - when she is able to make faces of being agitated and perturbed. Arias phony tears shows that she has nerve.

I do not know why Arias' pretending to weep troubles me deeply - I would think that a person that slaughtered another human being would not have "room" in their emotional state to giggle and behave exacerbated when on trial for their life for slaughtering another human being. Arias expresses herself on twitter - she finds the state of mind to insult the prosecutor. A person grief stricken - in a state of mourning - IMO would not have the state of mind to twitter, much less think of ways to insult a person that is doing their job.

Arias has to be attempting to replicate a person in mourning when her murder victim's pictures are shown in court - if Arias had real grief I do not believe that she could have the mindset to twitter insults.

Arias is defiant - I think that she gave The Prosecutor "the finger" early into his opening argument - she ran her long fingers across her forehead and eye but made sure her long middle finger was pronounced. If Arias was trying to show remorse - if Arias naturally had remorse - Arias would be mindful not to have any accidental giving "the finger" moments.

Arias courtroom behavior is so disturbing to me - even in this serious setting, Arias cannot control herself.

I wish that Arias never saw Travis Alexander - I'm sure that Arias noticed Travis Alexander first, and, at that moment Travis Alexander became Arias' prey.

Heck yes! More than troubled--I am pi$$ed off! Her phony cry act makes me want to vomit!uke:

There are no tears. She has no shame.
:ashamed:
The cry is a lie.
inocchio:
Her helpless boo hoo damsel in distress battered princess con is a cover for the demon in disguise. :devil:
Yep every time I see her start this phony emo BS I
wonder how in hades TA's family can keep their composure. They all deserve sainthood for their self control and grace, given the rotten human form of foulness they've had to endure. :tantrum:

 

[Alexander family fan]

Whose that idiot on HLN (the middle) criticizing JM?

Don't worry friend, at the top of the show they are assigned sides to argue, literally. Tomorrow you may see her arguing the other side, and wonder what in the world. That is how all those shows work, otherwise the show would be a bore for everyone to be of one accord, is what the producers think.

It is often funny when folks think that Nancy for example, is really being hard on one of her guests, when truth be told most of them are her very dear friends of over 20 years. It is just for the show.

 

[LotusPawprint]

I thanked this post only because the screwdrivers part was funny.

No.. I will NOT watch. I will scrub my toilets with a toothbrush or some other more meaningful activity

Oohh good idea... I think tomorrow I will clean my cleaning supplies. Just knowing KN is spewing filth for most of the day, I will feel better doing excessively clean tasks all day long.

 

[gauntlet]

The miracle of the healing finger

 

[vinayd]

I had to sit down and take deep breaths as Juan was putting the truth out I felt the weight of this case. I was shaking! He has a tough job to do. He has to prove she deserves to die. This is so heavy. Hugs to everyone!

 

[Prime Mover]

What a great closing by Juan!
He is brilliant and Travis would be so proud!


Juan Martinez vs the three at the defense table

Juan Martinez vs ALV

Juan Martinez vs The defendant

Ducks in 5. Sorry, I had to do it.

 

[SmoothOperator]

aw hell! am stuck at the mercy of having to use WiFi and I'll be damned if I didn't sit thru a disgustingly slow WiFi download of croakerqueens part 1 of Juan's closing arguments...ONLY TO FIND THAT A MERE FEW MINUTES INTO IT THE VIDEO AND AUDIO, BOTH ARE COMPLETELY JACKED UP!.. NO PICTURE OR SOUND!... IM SERIOUSLY AT STROKE LEVEL BLOOD PRESSURE OVER IT!

Watched second half live on hln but am dying to see/hear the first hour and a half of his closing argument..of all the days for the entire uploaded video to YouTube to be completely jacked up with no audio or video, it just had to be today!.. and of all the days and times for me to be solely dependant on WiFi!... ugh!!

 

[Donatella]

most likely someone who has not seen all the facts, evidence, and testimony.:twocents:

She even had a hard time saying anything negative about the closing and that's what she's being paid to do!

 

[amberjul]

if jm ever becomes a law professor i'm going back to school (smile). his closing was amazing. jmo tuff act for nurmi to follow, good luck with that nurmi. hopefully you will pick something other than sex to focus on. jmo

well the only other thing is his nose and there's a time and place for that. I do think his chicken arm is an unconscious attempt, however...

 

[kaydono]

I've seen that explanation for the felony murder charge before. Is there case law on it that you know of? I'd like to read it.

I do not have the case number but I know this guy I went to high school with that was put in prison for felony murder. He was in a car, with 2 friends, who robbed a bank. He actually never got out of the vehicle. Anyway, the 2 friends went into the bank, and robbed it. While they were robbing it, one of the tellers had a heart attack and died. They were all charged with felony murder, although they did not directly murder the woman, or cause her death. Their committing the crime of bank robbery, resulted in the woman's death. The guy that I knew did not get as much time as the other two, because he testified against them, plus he never left the car.

 

[Lorelilly]

Does anyone know if there is anywhere to sign up for a text notice on the verdict??

Vinnie Politan on HLN tweets and he send 'em quick. Go to the HLN website and you'll get what you need