CLUES: how to find Susan

[deca]

I looked up campgrounds within a 2 hour area of their house. Given conditions I figure he wouldn't go much farther that night (?). Anyways there are probably 200 campgrounds easily within that radius. Some are in remote areas where he easily could have just stopped on a side of the road and rolled her into a canyon.

It is approx 850 miles from SLC to Graham, WA. 14 hours (google directions). Halfway point looks to be Oregon/Idaho border.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Hmmmmmm..... I think it's certainly an area to consider.

There were two things that KC said that made me want the area where Caylee was found searched very early on (before she was found). What her friend said about the pet cemetery and when KC said she felt she was close to home.

I was half mad when they found Caylee right there when I'd been sitting in my chair here in Oregon wishing someone would search there for months. So I do believe in checking out ALL these little clues!!!

Wow! You had Caylee's hiding place figured out before others did!
You ROCK!

It is difficult to discern when these connivers are telling the truth, or when they are making up information, or even intentionally sending incorrect messages.

But, with Josh saying Pony Express, and seeing that it sounds like a viable place for him to have gone....

Who knows?....:dunno:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

The Utah portion of the Pony Express now more or less follows I-80, I-84, route 65, and then back on I-80. There's also Camp Floyd, in Fairfield.
It's a little over 250 miles total, iirc.
Maybe we could map out routes of travel from their home to vehicle access points along the way, starting with closest?

ETA: Trying to map these areas out, and wondering if the boys ever mentioned anything about the 'camping trip' that might pertain to elevation changes or 'swervyness'? Motion sickness? Water? Railroads? Anything at all like that? TIA to anyone who might know.

I, too, noticed Fairfield is a point of interest/campsite along the Pony Express Trail, and looks like it could be doable! I am lookng into mining that could be near there, since Josh mentioned to someone something to the effect of "the best place to hide a body is in a mine shaft".

 

[deca]

There looks to be at least 7 campgrounds in that general area. Also looks pretty desolate- not much in the way of towns.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Just a thought: Crystal Springs, UT. Has this area been searched?

http://mapq.st/A1w02A

Mystic Springs in Monroe, UT. Both of these areas have "camping"...and this location would make it easy for his backroad trip home thru to the Delta area and Simpson Springs. ??

http://g.co/maps/zh2ce

Both of these look like fairly easy traveling, and within 2 1/2 hours.
I especially find Crystal Springs interesting because of the word "crystal", which has been referred to in this case.

 

[dovebar]

I am being ridiculously hopeful- but would think child-oriented food places (like fast food restaurants with play areas) or gas stations, convenience stores, dollar stores, that sort of thing might be places he might have stopped. Will look up routes of travel. How do you keep two small children content in a vehicle on a road trip- especially when you're alone? Or is it possible he pulled in somewhere, and slept while the kids took a nap? Like rest stops? Someone HAD to have seen them. Tourists passing through who don't realize what they may have seen? A clerk in a store somewhere?
Where did he get gas the day before? The day after?

What an absolutely horrible situation.

Don't flame me for this but.....I have thought it was possible that there is a Susan Powell connection to the disappearance of Steven Koecher. Did Steve see something at a gas station in Wendover, have a conversation, give his name or have his license plate visible....was he a witness to something completely in passing but that could have implicated JP? Was he then lured somewhere in Las Vegas through a shared interest in songwriting by SP? Far-fetched, I know, but I do wonder if there was a witness, who later disappeared.

What did the boys eat in all that time? Did JP have food stashed in the van, since it seems the whole thing was premeditated?

 

[Oriah]

Don't flame me for this but.....I have thought it was possible that there is a Susan Powell connection to the disappearance of Steven Koecher. Did Steve see something at a gas station in Wendover, have a conversation, give his name or have his license plate visible....was he a witness to something completely in passing but that could have implicated JP? Was he then lured somewhere in Las Vegas through a shared interest in songwriting by SP? Far-fetched, I know, but I do wonder if there was a witness, who later disappeared.

What did the boys eat in all that time? Did JP have food stashed in the van, since it seems the whole thing was premeditated?

It may seem a reach, but at least we know Steven was in Springfield on Dec. 9th and Mesquite, NV on the 12th getting gas. Odd coincidences do happen. Sure doesn't hurt to look at routes of possible travel from every angle.

 

[Pensfan]

What did Josh tell his friends about how to dispose of a body?

But Steve Downing, who represents the Coxes, revealed that Josh Powell bought a $1 million life insurance policy on his wife a year before she disappeared. Downing said Josh Powell also was telling friends about how to dispose of a body without being caught.
http://www.sltrib.com/csp/cms/sites/sltrib/pages/printerfriendly.csp?id=53470987

 

[passionflower]

IMO, JP was the lazy, worried about dirt,germs........
I can't see him doing allot of digging or touching a dead person.
So he did something simple like pushing a poisoned Susan down a mine,
hill, cave and left.
No grave, no digging, clean and leave again.
IMO, he wouldn't leave his boys in the van alone for to long.
Everything was about HIM.
He might of just drove around 'thinking', waiting for carpet to dry, maybe thinking
of contacting SP, suicide?
Susan may be closer than we think.
Or near SP house, SP could of met him somewhere and 'took' over.
Just a thought

 

[passionflower]

WHO sits around telling friends about disposing a body and not to get caught?
Then the wife comes up missing!

 

[concentric]

Wow! You had Caylee's hiding place figured out before others did!
You ROCK!

It is difficult to discern when these connivers are telling the truth, or when they are making up information, or even intentionally sending incorrect messages.

But, with Josh saying Pony Express, and seeing that it sounds like a viable place for him to have gone....

Who knows?....:dunno:

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Some of us had dreams several years ago about where Caylee had been left.

I just had a dream last night I think about Susan. Amazing that Josh took his boys on a midnight "camping trip" and that mommy was in a mine looking at crystals...

Exactly, where is Susan? He sure didn't waste any time hatcheting his children to death, then blowing them up.

 

[ccargirl]

IMO, JP was the lazy, worried about dirt,germs........
I can't see him doing allot of digging or touching a dead person.
So he did something simple like pushing a poisoned Susan down a mine,
hill, cave and left.
No grave, no digging, clean and leave again.
IMO, he wouldn't leave his boys in the van alone for to long.
Everything was about HIM.
He might of just drove around 'thinking', waiting for carpet to dry, maybe thinking
of contacting SP, suicide?
Susan may be closer than we think.
Or near SP house, SP could of met him somewhere and 'took' over.
Just a thought

That just gave me a horrible thought. What if the reason cadaver dogs didn't alert to the van was because, yes, she was poisoned, but she was alive. Was she in the back of the van, but still alert enough to 'walk' with help out to "look for crystals". If "mommy and daddy" left the van, that's an entirely different thought process for a kid than 'daddy carried mommy out of the van'.

 

[sayd]

It's a snow storm. He has the boys with him. He is in a vehicle without 4 wheel drive. I think he would definitely head SOUTH. He also has to drag a heavy body thru the snow, and he wasn't any body builder, while the boys wait in the car. It's dark. Let's be logical. He wants somewhere off a main road with a good drop off. I've driven the road to Price (Highway 6 East) many times. Lots of big, big easily accessible drop offs there - if the road was plowed and open. Anyone know? The other thing I go back to is the road to the Bonneville Salt Flats (US 80). That area is very desolate, but I'm not sure where you could dump a body quickly there where it wouldn't be seen. I'm not that familiar with that area.

I hear the thing about the mine, but he knew he had told people that. I think he wouldn't have done that unless there was one he could drive right up too in the snow, in the dark.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I googled campgrounds and found:

Pony Express RV Resort
1012 W. Recreation Way
North Salt Lake, UT 84054
Open Year Round
Rates as low as $29.00/day

Though JP may have wanted a hidden away camp site, I would think there would be very little other campers on a night with blizzards.

When I viewed the scenery in the advertisement, there are views of woods that seem relatively close (?)

It is off major thoroughfares, so his van would have easily been able to get there.

Just a thought....

 

[dovebar]

I agree that the car and weather would have likely - not positively - but likely prevented his driving to Idaho or Spokane, and likely not down very remote roads that he would have known would not be plowed.

It is less certain to me that he had to move a body very far.
If Susan was drugged with GHB, where she was completely ambulatory but "out of it," she would have looked normal to the boys as she got out of the trunk, perhaps at most leaning on him as he led her into woods or chaparral or behind rocks. At most, he had to knock her over the head as he did his sons at their murder scene, roll her up in a tarp, and drag that plastic tarp - easy now, because it's plastic and it slides over snow or desert sand, and then either burn it or shove it down a hole.

Burning might have produced smoke and had taken a long time, and the boys might see and remember the smoke, or they might get out of the van. Hard to say.

 

[Yellow Rose]

That just gave me a horrible thought. What if the reason cadaver dogs didn't alert to the van was because, yes, she was poisoned, but she was alive. Was she in the back of the van, but still alert enough to 'walk' with help out to "look for crystals". If "mommy and daddy" left the van, that's an entirely different thought process for a kid than 'daddy carried mommy out of the van'.

EXACTLY what I've thought all along and even said in some previous threads. I don't think she was dead yet. Unconcious maybe?

 

[ccargirl]

EXACTLY what I've thought all along and even said in some previous threads. I don't think she was dead yet. Unconcious maybe?

I try not to read this forum too much as it makes me so horribly sad and upset...so I hadn't seen other suggestions that she was drugged and alive. But I think that's likely what happened. What a depraved ba$tard. (can I say that?)

 

[21merc7]

After reading what the Coxes revealed in the NG thread, I don't know if anything the children said is anywhere that Susan is. It is clear that JP was feeding them a story to tell, which we all suspected all along. If they were having any memories come back that were not tainted by his words, that must have been difficult for them as their minds would keep blurring false images with real images. The boys said woods early on and trunk last year. I do think she was in the "trunk", but I don't know if they would ever remember anything clearly. Both woods and trunk could very well be true, but he tainted their memories while in the act, while driving around, and for those last 2 years until the Coxes were given custody. They were so young they may never have figured it all out.

 

[andalso]

Some thoughts, and I don't pretend to know everything about this case:

Could "in the trunk" be a tree trunk? That's probably been discussed, but I haven't been able to read everything.
Also, is there a possibility that Josh left Susan's body somewhere and his dad then came along and retrieved her within a few days, or longer and then...?

 

[Skully]

I googled campgrounds and found:

Pony Express RV Resort
1012 W. Recreation Way
North Salt Lake, UT 84054
Open Year Round
Rates as low as $29.00/day

Though JP may have wanted a hidden away camp site, I would think there would be very little other campers on a night with blizzards.

When I viewed the scenery in the advertisement, there are views of woods that seem relatively close (?)

It is off major thoroughfares, so his van would have easily been able to get there.

Just a thought....

so now i have to google Earth it.....LOL