Found Deceased CO - Adam Gilbertson, 29, Denver, 14 Dec 2017

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Hi all - I live a few blocks from Syntax. This case has been on my mind since coming home from the holidays and seeing the posters (they're all over our neighborhood). I'm roughly Adam's age - he could easily have been any number of my friends. I run my dog regularly in Wash park. If this forum needs any information on the area that would help the case, let me know. My only comment is the speculation on the lakes in Wash Park - they're pretty shallow and they're also not that close to Syntax. Good luck to the folks searching on Saturday!!

Smith Lake looks big but I don't think it's deep - based on our runs there in the summer I think you'd have to wade out pretty far to be fully submerged? The lake on the opposite end of the park (Grasmere) seems a bit deeper.

It’s so good to have another local join us. Welcome, and thank you so much for sharing your perspective.

Please, please know that I am not trying to be argumentative; rather, I just wanted to share some information I’ve found:

Some starts on thd lakes:
South/Grasmere (“Surface Area: 16.5 acres; Max Depth: ~ 10 ft”): https://www.denvergov.org/content/da...e2014FINAL.pdf

Smith (“Surface Area: 18 acres; Max Depth: ~ 10 ft”):
https://www.denvergov.org/content/da...h2014FINAL.pdf

Also there was a case of a gentleman who was found deceased in Grasmere Lake back in 2010:

“He said the coroner’s office told him his brother’s body may have been in the lake as long as eight weeks and may have been frozen for much of that time.

The coroner has found no evidence of bruising or blunt trauma on his brother’s body, Burt Wichek said.”

“Wichek’s body was spotted by city workers carrying out water quality tests in the lake. The body was about 20 feet from shore in three feet of water.”
https://www.denverpost.com/2010/04/...ton-park-lake-may-have-been-frozen-for-weeks/

I tried to find out if it was ever determined whether the gentleman’s body was placed there by a third party or it was a case of suicide, but couldn’t find anything.

By the way, Google Maps suggests three different walking routes from Suntax to Grasmere Lake, and all three take you south on S Broadway first:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Syn...c7e599d87e4b1:0xf2772076236f5882!3e2?hl=en-us

As a local, do you think these are reasonable suggestions? Since Adam’s apartment is located northeast of Syntax, if he was captured on camera heading south on S Broadway, that could be considered opposite direction of his apartment, IMO. But if he was seen heading west (towards the big box store across the street), then it becomes more likely that he was heading somewhere other than Wash Park, IMO.

Does anyone know whether it has been reported whether he was seen crossing S Broadway? I’m sorry if it has and I missed it!

 

[margarita25]

Again, I really wish they'd get TES in (Texas Equusearch)....Again, the family and LE have to request/approve, and have a direction for Tim and crew to approach....I did send a message about this recommendation to the family fb page. TES has all equipment, sonar, drones (used in Christina Morris's case for example, and Natale Hollowway's....and Terrill Monette, the list goes on and on... (which reminds me, did they find Cheryl Hall on Sunday?).

www.texasequusearch.org

(Sorry, Natalee Holloway, Terrilyn Monette, darn autocorrect)

 

[JLD333]

(Do you know her mom Sarah just gave birth to another child? [emoji813] I'll link it for you:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...roject-Westminster-PD&p=13825140#post13825140)

Thank you for sharing that, Margarita. I read the article and am crying my eyes out now! So bittersweet, but I’m glad her mom has chosen to keep moving forward despite her heartbreak. Babies really do bring so much joy to life and I’m sure she will savor every second even more this time around. It sounds like she has truly found some semblance of peace.

Sorry for being OT.
I’m glad the family is finally putting together a search. I’ll be curious to see where they search and what info has led them to that area.


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[margarita25]

They've been largely on their own from the start. I remember a post saying they were gathering surveillance video from surrounding businesses and it was taking some time to get it because they were doing it themselves.

It sure seems like Denver LE doesn't consider his disappearance a priority. Hopefully they're doing things the public is unaware of that will prove me wrong eventually.

IMO I can not comment on how much of a priority this case is for DPD, as yes, a Detective has been assigned to the case as we know; however, if you guys have ever gone on the Denver scanner you will see how crazy it is crimewise, moo. DPD really seems to have their hands full at all times.

I wish LE would just give an update on the status of the case. Last I heard they were waiting on the electronic records.

I'm curious as to what we will learn about any additional details, as searchers, and which ones can be shared here. I've seen members here return from searches and not be able to share squat.

 

[margarita25]

Thank you for sharing that, Margarita. I read the article and am crying my eyes out now! So bittersweet, but I’m glad her mom has chosen to keep moving forward despite her heartbreak. Babies really do bring so much joy to life and I’m sure she will savor every second even more this time around. It sounds like she has truly found some semblance of peace.

Sorry for being OT.
I’m glad the family is finally putting together a search. I’ll be curious to see where they search and what info has led them to that area.


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(Eta: And yes, Sara Ridgeway is amazzzzing....I don't know how she does it.)

 

[human]

Thank you, yurena.

Off the record, I'm very nervous about Saturday. This would obviously be a recovery mission, and one has to:
a) Know if this is something they can mentally (and physically) handle
b) Know when to step away for one own's health and sanity (I can not stress enough how important of a skill this is for Websleuthers). Going out a month later vs immediately after one disappears are two totally different things.

The reason I bring this up is I've been thinking a lot about a private conversation I had with our Late Great Foxfire, who had participated in a search. They found the remains. And what Foxfire told me about what he saw re: the condition of the remains discovered is an awful vision, one that neither of us could get out of our heads, one of which I will spare you guys the very awful vision. This makes me question my decision to search Saturday.

This is why I'm glad the family clearly stated that this is not for everyone, and recommended other ways to help.

But I/we have waited for this moment for a long time, the opportunity to search. But anyone going out looking for remains needs to fully understand what all is at stake here.

I will be going on Saturday. I hope there are not cameras.

Good for you. Courage!

 

[margarita25]

Good for you. Courage!

(I'll make sure my inbox has room, cough, if anyone on ground might want to communicate)

(Eta: Actually, I guess we will be busy searching, DUH, so maybe for afterwards...)

 

[margarita25]

Latest information from the Help Find Adam Facebook Page:

"Attention all:

There will be an organized search party for Adam Ronald Gilbertson on Saturday, January 13, 2018 from 10 a.m. until 4 p.m. in Denver, CO. Please join us if you are willing and able to join the search. If you choose to join us, please be prepared to be on your feet for up to six hours. This may not be for everyone and if you are looking to help in other ways we are always looking for folks to distribute flyers and help share on social media. We appreciate any willing volunteers to join us on foot to search for our beloved, son, brother, cousin, uncle, nephew, and friend.

Adam went missing early in the morning on December 15 at 12:53 a.m. He was last seen alone, leaving Syntax Physic Opera at 554 South Broadway in Denver, CO. Adam is so loved and we, the family, are desperate for any information leading to his whereabouts.

For more information about Adam and his case see www.helpfindadam.com or like and follow our facebook page Find Adam Ronald Gilbertson.

Search Party Information:
When: Saturday, January 13, 2018 10 a.m. – 4 p.m. (please be prompt)
Where: The meeting place will be announced by Thursday, January 11 at 12N, please follow this event page for meeting location information.
What to bring: Wear good walking shoes and dress for the elements (warm jacket, long pants, hat, gloves,etc) – The weather looks decent as of now, 40’s and partly cloudy. Bring a backpack and some drinking water, maybe some protein bars or other snacks.

Please RSVP. We need an idea of how many to expect and prepare for. Also, we will be making a list on that day to document everyone heading out to search.
This search party is subject to change based on weather or any new information we receive between now and Saturday, so please follow our page and this event invite for any changes and the updated location information.

Thank you in advance for any help you can give to us at this time. Please share with your friends."

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[ProfessorFox]

Welcome rockybot!!

:welcome:

I think as far as lakes go, Smith Lake stands out on a map, moo...
Thoughts?

My thought is Smith Lake is far too popular of a place for unscrupulous activity to occur and too popular of a place for him to go unnoticed.

Rather, my thought is the lake at Overland Lake near Ruby Hill Park - for one it’s a similar distance from Syntax; and two, it’s not as popular.

 

[margarita25]

For those of you that tweet: Let's ask that they keep Adam in the news. More coverage is so important!

News Stations and Papers:

https://twitter.com/9news

https://twitter.com/DenverChannel

https://twitter.com/CBSDenver

https://twitter.com/KDVR

https://twitter.com/denverpost

LGBTQ orgs:

https://twitter.com/cocenter

https://twitter.com/one_colorado

https://twitter.com/colgbtqcc

Politicians:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/CO/1

https://twitter.com/MayorHancock

https://twitter.com/leslieherod

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[margarita25]

My thought is Smith Lake is far too popular of a place for unscrupulous activity to occur and too popular of a place for him to go unnoticed.

Rather, my thought is the lake at Overland Lake near Ruby Hill Park - for one it’s a similar distance from Syntax; and two, it’s not as popular.

Thank you for this input, I was just noticing that in post #701, for reference:

( "(Just found this:

Metro ponds with docks

Post By: **********Posted: 1/13/2014 1:09:02 PM*****Points:*595 ***

I'm trying to come up with a list of metro ponds with easily accessible docks... so far:


1) Overland Park Pond
2) Grasmere Pond
3)
4)
5)
6)
7)

http://www.fishexplorer.com/co/fxrfo...det&pid=384448 ")

)

 

[margarita25]

[FONT="]THESE 50 PEOPLE DISAPPEARED IN COLORADO THIS YEAR:[/FONT][/COLOR]

[url]https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/see-the-50-people-who-disappeared-in-colorado-this-year#id0[/url][/QUOTE]

(O/T, thread here....we did A LOOOOOOT of teamwork here creating threads for all these people!!

[url]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?341814-These-50-people-disappeared-in-Colorado-this-year[/url]

[quote="margarita25, post: 13465384"]I'm hoping we can compile a list from this article and also crosscheck the names with missing persons' threads here on WS to make sure nobody has been missed...(sure seems like a lot of missing young males (and females)...I wonder how this number compares to past years?)

These 50 people disappeared in Colorado this year
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...people-who-went-missing-in-colorado-this-year

"DENVER -- The unbelievable pain of missing a loved one is real for many families in Colorado. More than 50 missing person cases have been filed in the state this year."

Link to list of threads we created:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...in-Colorado-this-year&p=13474272#post13474272 )

 

[margarita25]

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I am consolidating the everything necessary and recent from all sources into one post so I/ we can just bump in one quote in the future, as well as get a draft necessary for an introductory post in case we get to thread 2:

*******


"You can help! If you have any information you believe may be helpful, please contact the Denver Police, re: case number 17-837-972, at 720-913-2000

For any tips leading to Adam's whereabouts, please emailhelp@helpfindadam.com

If you are in the Denver area, please consider printing and posting our missing flyer:

http://helpfindadam.com/


Media Coverage (source: www.helpfindadam.com )

COLORADO

FOX31 Denver - 12/21
FOX31 Denver - 12/17
7NEWS Denver (ABC) - 12/18
7NEWS Denver (ABC) - 12/17
CBS Denver
The Denver Post
Out Front Magazine

MINNESOTA

KARE 11 (NBC)
Pioneer Press
KSTP (ABC)
Fox 9
Fox21 News

WYOMING

KCWY 13 (NBC)
KGWN



http://helpfindadam.com/

https://m.facebook.com/Find-Adam-Ronald-Gilbertson-162550087694434/

https://mobile.twitter.com/search?l=&q=#helpfindadam since:2017-12-14&src=typd

https://m.facebook.com/findadamrona...50087694434/163770490905727/?type=3&source=54

 

[margarita25]

"ATTENTION ALL ...×

There will be an organized search party for Adam Ronald Gilbertson on Saturday, January 13, 2018 from 10 a.m. until 4 p.m. in Denver, CO. Please joinus if you are willing and able to join the search.

If you are interested, more information is available on the Facebook Event page."

http://helpfindadam.com/

https://www.facebook.com/events/204094146823459/

 

[ElementalLaura]

Again, I really wish they'd get TES in (Texas Equusearch)....Again, the family and LE have to request/approve, and have a direction for Tim and crew to approach....I did send a message about this recommendation to the family fb page. TES has all equipment, sonar, drones (used in Christina Morris's case for example, and Natale Hollowway's....and Terrill Monette, the list goes on and on... (which reminds me, did they find Cheryl Hall on Sunday?).

www.texasequusearch.org

Hopefully they'll follow up on TES. I wanted to mention another possible resource that might be helpful for at least a phone call to see about whether/how sonar could be used in locating a body in water and ice. Team Watters is a non-profit that located Toni Anderson's car in the Missouri River after searches by LE were not successful.

Here's an article - http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article137965458.html

....
Dennis and Tammy Watters, of Moro, Ill., own Team Watters Sonar Search and Recovery Team. ...

The company is funded by donations, Watters said, adding that they help law enforcement companies throughout the country with underwater searches. ...

The couple pulled into the Kansas City area at noon on Wednesday at the request of Anderson’s father. They met by phone with the Kansas City Police Department prior to their arrival.
“Within 10 minutes we had their blessing,” Watters said.

Their website and contact information is here: http://www.teamwatterssonar.com/home/

 

[margarita25]

JAN 13 Search Party for Adam Ronald Gilbertson - 1/13/18
Public· Event· by Find Adam Ronald Gilbertson
Saturday at 10 AM - 4 PM
3 days from now
https://m.facebook.com/events/204094146823459/

So far, re: the search:

Going
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Interested
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[margarita25]

( O/T, Blaze Bernstein's body has been found:

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/01/...ego-park-case-being-investigated-as-homicide/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/missin...ein-found-dead-case-investigated-as-homicide/

"LAKE FOREST, Calif.*– A 19-year-old college student who*went missing last week*has been found dead,*reports CBS Los Angeles. Blaze Bernstein's body was discovered during a search Tuesday afternoon in brush near Lake Forest's Borrego Park, the Orange County Sheriff's Department confirmed.*

Authorities are investigating Bernstein's death as a homicide. An autopsy is being performed Wednesday.

Deputies had been scouring Borrego Park and nearby Whiting Ranch Park for days looking for Bernstein."

WS Link: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Blaze-Bernstein-19-Lake-Forest-2-January-2018 )

 

[rockybot]

By the way, Google Maps suggests three different walking routes from Suntax to Grasmere Lake, and all three take you south on S Broadway first:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Syn...c7e599d87e4b1:0xf2772076236f5882!3e2?hl=en-us

As a local, do you think these are reasonable suggestions? Since Adam’s apartment is located northeast of Syntax, if he was captured on camera heading south on S Broadway, that could be considered opposite direction of his apartment, IMO. But if he was seen heading west (towards the big box store across the street), then it becomes more likely that he was heading somewhere other than Wash Park, IMO.

He definitely could've been headed to Wash Park, but as a lot of other folks have said - it's a high traffic area. Wash Park feels a little too public and open.

 

[lalalins]

He definitely could've been headed to Wash Park, but as a lot of other folks have said - it's a high traffic area. Wash Park feels a little too public and open.

Human remains were found in a house outside Denver today in relation to a missing person investigation. I hope this is not Adam. Link to story below.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...coroner-on-scene-outside-federal-heights-home

 

[Dingodogloco]

Human remains were found in a house outside Denver today in relation to a missing person investigation. I hope this is not Adam. Link to story below.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...coroner-on-scene-outside-federal-heights-home

Thanks - don’t think this is related to Adam since the search warrant was for a missing Federal Heights man’s home.




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