CO CO - Christopher Abeyta, 7 mos, Colorado Springs, 15 July 1986

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wow this EB is evil! Sounds like a better con man needs to be hired to hook up with her to get information. LOL funny but slightly serious and dubious
 
SuziQ said:
I keep thinking how terribly frustating this is for your family. Your mom had to sleuth her own son's kidnapping and then have LE completely ignore her.

You mentioned in Lisa's thread that LE has renewed interest. Can you tell us what they are doing?

Thank you
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Once you go through this, you don't have a choice. It really is a sad. Everything my Parents did to find their son and my Mom is probably a better investigator than real detectives. The NCMEC is currently doing a review with the case information that the CSPD has provided to them.
 
Denalves, God Bless you and your family! I wish I could help find him. I'm only a older woman sitting behind a computer.

I would suggest meeting some place where maybe this past cop and his wife will feel secure. Any email, phone call they might suspect is recorded, or typed print could be used. meeting them face to face on their turf might help ease their fears. Not only that would be hard to deny you information, it would increase their guilt load if they do have information.
 
denalves said:
My Dad did! My Mom told my Dad that he was to continue to see her to get information. She even wrapped a present up to give to her. EB probably saw right through it. He told her that if he didn't have to concentrate on finding his son, maybe they could have a life together or something like that.
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I can't imagine having to look the person in the face that I felt had kidnapped my baby and pretend that I cared for them. Your parents are incredibly strong people.
 
I'm going to try to watch it Suzi.
 
The aged regression picture of Chris reminds me of Jacob Wetterling's.

The blue eyes these babies shared and light hair, does anyone know if there is any research on blue eyed babies blond hair being abducted and if there is a concentration of these abductions anywhere? Not sure I expressed that correctly?
 
I am so glad that a thread way opened in the case! My heart goes out to the family, I pray he is alive and living a wonderful life with another family! However if the family is correct on his abduction, he may not have lived the first 24 hours.....This case really scared me when I read it a few days ago! GOD BLESS THE FAMILY!
 
Denalves,

First, I am so terribly sorry for the nightmare that your family has lived through. I have a couple of questions. Do you know if the police did any fingerprinting at your home when they "investigated" his disappearance? Since EB has a record, wouldn't her fingerprints be on file with LE?

Is there any chance that police would think about a supeona for financial records of EB? Couldn't they check for any gas receipts that she may have had during the day or two after his disappearance? It would be very telling if she had stopped for gas that very night or the next morning somewhere. I do not know if after this many years the records would still be available. It is unlikely since it is long past the time that most financial institutes would destory; however...

Does EB have any close frineds? Is it possible that she may have told someone something long ago?

Was anything else in the house missing besides Christopher?

Again, I am so terribly sorry for you loss; and I am in complete and utter dismay at the early investigators.
 
cocomod said:
Denalves,

First, I am so terribly sorry for the nightmare that your family has lived through. I have a couple of questions. Do you know if the police did any fingerprinting at your home when they "investigated" his disappearance? Since EB has a record, wouldn't her fingerprints be on file with LE?

Is there any chance that police would think about a supeona for financial records of EB? Couldn't they check for any gas receipts that she may have had during the day or two after his disappearance? It would be very telling if she had stopped for gas that very night or the next morning somewhere. I do not know if after this many years the records would still be available. It is unlikely since it is long past the time that most financial institutes would destory; however...

Does EB have any close frineds? Is it possible that she may have told someone something long ago?

Was anything else in the house missing besides Christopher?

Again, I am so terribly sorry for you loss; and I am in complete and utter dismay at the early investigators.
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Police did not tape off the crime scene immediately. To my recollection they did not dust prints the morning of his disappearance (I will get confirmation of this.) But even if they had, the CSPD accidentally destroyed my brothers evidence in 2006. http://www.gazette.com/articles/evidence-6798-cases-velez.htmlhttp://www.kktv.com/news/headlines/2713706.html

My Mom was able to get EB's trash (long story...the trash had lots of info in it) She sifted through pieces of trash. It appears EB was struggling financially. She did not give that perception off to my Dad. He can remember them driving and she pointed to a vacant lot and said she owned it. We investigated all of that and she didn't own any property outside of the home she lived in at the time of Christopher's disappearance.

Nothing else was missing. We were missing a garage door opener previous to my brothers disappearance.
 
Does EB have any close frineds? Is it possible that she may have told someone something long ago?

There is a paternity record in the Pueblo Courthouse for EB's only son. EB was married for a short time and got divorced. I was surprised that the ex-husband was questioning paternity of his son? EB had the affair with this Sheriff in the time frame that the son would have been conceived. The paternity record could have had something to do with ensuring that her ex-husband paid child support, if he questioned the paternity of his son. Or it could confirm if the Sheriff is the son's father. Through investigating we know EB and the Sheriff were close friends. It really makes me wonder if the initial Detectives working the case didn't take EB as a serious suspect because the Sheriff made a call to them. My family will never understand why they didn't investigate her initially as a suspect. But I would like to get a copy of that paternity record.

The ex-sheriff lives in Hutchinson, Kansas.

(I've been asked before, could EB's son Christopher? No, he is in his early 40's.)
 
Unfortunately, it does sound like it is possible that the investigation was tainted by her relationship with a sheriff. There is no way to go back and reclaim the time lost and the clues that disappear with time.

I hope beyond hope that you are able to get some resolution to this case in the near future.

It would be the very best if she did collect money by "selling" baby Christopher, because the alternative is that he is gone for good. I am keeping hope for you that her money problems combined with the intent to hurt your mom, lead to her selling Christopher to a good family. Possibly he doesn't even know that he was not legally adopted, or possibly he may not even know that he was adopted.

If however she did take his life, I hope that you can find this out. I hope that you can find out what really DID happen to Christopher. I sincerely wish that a great SARS team could check out her family ranch just to help you put that possibility to rest. Do you know if her family still owns the ranch? If perhaps it has been sold to another family, maybe there is a possibility that the new family would allow you access.
 
cocomod said:
Unfortunately, it does sound like it is possible that the investigation was tainted by her relationship with a sheriff. There is no way to go back and reclaim the time lost and the clues that disappear with time.

I hope beyond hope that you are able to get some resolution to this case in the near future.

It would be the very best if she did collect money by "selling" baby Christopher, because the alternative is that he is gone for good. I am keeping hope for you that her money problems combined with the intent to hurt your mom, lead to her selling Christopher to a good family. Possibly he doesn't even know that he was not legally adopted, or possibly he may not even know that he was adopted.

If however she did take his life, I hope that you can find this out. I hope that you can find out what really DID happen to Christopher. I sincerely wish that a great SARS team could check out her family ranch just to help you put that possibility to rest. Do you know if her family still owns the ranch? If perhaps it has been sold to another family, maybe there is a possibility that the new family would allow you access.
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The ranch is still owned by a family member.

When he was abducted his case did not receive National attention. Lots of local media. But, if someone adopted him they would not necessarily have known he was kidnapped. EB is a habitual liar, so who know what she would have told the person(s).

A few months after my brothers disappearance I remember hitting the road with my Mom and we drove town to town hitting the Newspapers asking them to put Christopher's photo in their paper. Most did, but some didn't! If his disappearance had rec'd national attention, maybe we would have answers. But media was different in 1986.
 
Wonder if EB's and her only son are still close? Does anyone know if he is still in the local area to see if he would know anything.... I don't understand how some people don't have a conscious. I believe you said he's in his 40's now, so in 1986, he could have been a teenager??
 
chaddylex said:
Wonder if EB's and her only son are still close? Does anyone know if he is still in the local area to see if he would know anything.... I don't understand how some people don't have a conscious. I believe you said he's in his 40's now, so in 1986, he could have been a teenager??
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EB's son was a teenager in the 80's and is in his early 40's. He currently lives with his Mother and has for several years. He is not married.
 
denalves said:
The ranch is still owned by a family member.

When he was abducted his case did not receive National attention. Lots of local media. But, if someone adopted him they would not necessarily have known he was kidnapped. EB is a habitual liar, so who know what she would have told the person(s).

A few months after my brothers disappearance I remember hitting the road with my Mom and we drove town to town hitting the Newspapers asking them to put Christopher's photo in their paper. Most did, but some didn't! If his disappearance had rec'd national attention, maybe we would have answers. But media was different in 1986.
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Unfortunately, you have some good and some bad with the media being quite different in the 80's. There was not as much coverage across the nation in the 80's; only some locals would have heard about Christopher's disappearance. This is a hinderance in the investigation.

However, on the upside, you did not have the national media looking at your family's every move and subjecting you to the intense scrutiny that happens now. Since LE focused on your mom early on, especially when she failed the LD test, the media would have also likely focused on your mom.

However, I do think that with media attention, LE may have been forced to "think outside the box" and consider additional suspects. Your mom would have also had additional help in "sleuthing" your main suspect. The media would have had a field day with this suspect's record. This may have pushed LE into looking deeper into her involvement.

It is hard to say if it would the difference would have been good or bad; but it certainly would have made a difference to have the internet and media attention on your brother's case many years ago.

My heart just hurts for your family. It is amazing that your mom has held on to hope for all of these years.

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denalves said:
EB's son was a teenager in the 80's and is in his early 40's. He currently lives with his Mother and has for several years. He is not married.
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It would be very interesting to know the dynamics between these two; and what kind of personality her son has with the influence his mother must have on his life.
 
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