CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 - #1

[Tonto]

One possible scenario (out of endless possibilities) is that Dad picks up Dylan at airport. Dylan contacts mom to let her know he arrived. Dad and Dylan chat on the way to Dad's. Right off the bat, Dylan tells his dad that he has made plans to visit his friends in Bayfield and could he drive him there. Dad is already a bit ticked that Dylan didn't even want to come to his place for Thanksgiving week and refuses. Convo continues like this:
"Well about in the morning?"
"We'll see....I'm not your chauffeur, you know and I have things to do in the morning!"
"Well why can't you drive me before your errands? I'll get up early! I promised them!"
Dad just fumes and doesn't say anything. (Dylan takes this as a yes and tells his friends he'll come early in the morning.)
Dylan jumps up in the morning, hoping to convince his dad to drive him.
Dad's in a hurry and says no and takes off even though Dylan is up and dressed. He tells Dylan to find his own way there and leaves.

Later, when he comes back he figures that Dylan found a way to his friend's house. Does Dad call D's friends late in the afternoon, ticked that Dylan hasn't left a note or called and it's getting close to suppertime -- and find out that Dylan never arrived?

Of course an alternative is that the argument devolved into worse, but I am hopeful that that is not the case.

Good post. This is a plausible scenario and makes sense if the reports of emergency workers and others seeing him and him running from them is accurate.

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

i wonder if dylan called to change the time/day or if he texted the friend to make the change?

Be more in keeping to text, wouldn't it? Most kids I know (admittedly that's not many!) seem to prefer texting to actual interaction...!

 

[Amster]

Just so I'm clear about this.....dad hasn't given an interview with media, has he? If not, then we really have no idea what he has told LE. 2nd and 3rd hand info through a reporter is "iffy" at best. :twocents:

 

[nervous_nellie]

My theory... And please note that I am often wrong.. But...

If dad has a boat... Or has access to a boat... He took Dylan "fishing".... Could explain early morning time... And that is when dad said he was running errands..

dad returns without Dylan... Pretend searches..(shows up at friends' house to look like he is really searching).. Then calls LE and mom...possibly about the same time...

Merely speculation...

and JMO

OMG...never even thought of that...:furious:

 

[Rougelatete]

My theory... And please note that I am often wrong.. But...

If dad has a boat... Or has access to a boat... He took Dylan "fishing".... Could explain early morning time... And that is when dad said he was running errands..

dad returns without Dylan... Pretend searches..(shows up at friends' house to look like he is really searching).. Then calls LE and mom...possibly about the same time...

Merely speculation...

and JMO

I endorse this theory. There is a very 'premeditated' feel to this for me. Dad loses joint custody, Dad has to pony up and pay child support, Dad orders the court to send him his son, the son goes missing, Dad runs "errands" for 4 hours and can't account for his story properly. Hmmmm....

 

[margarita25]

There is the possibility, that if the dad is not involved in this (and its important for investigators and everyone not to get tunnel vision, as suspicious as things may seem), that Dylan was going to get a ride in the morning to his friends house with his dad, but then decided he'd rather sleep in. So, his dad said, ok, sleep in, do some chores, etc., I'll take you over there when I get back.

But then someone came in the house and abducted him.

 

[scorekeeper]

There is the possibility, that if the dad is not involved in this (and its important for investigators and everyone not to get tunnel vision, as suspicious as things may seem), that Dylan was going to get a ride in the morning to his friends house with his dad, but then decided he'd rather sleep in. So, his dad said, ok, sleep in, do some chores, etc., I'll take you over there when I get back.

But then someone came in the house and abducted him.

Anything is possible. But I still don't understand why Dad has spoken to reporters; perhaps he has been told not to....

 

[Kmonci]

There is the possibility, that if the dad is not involved in this (and its important for investigators and everyone not to get tunnel vision, as suspicious as things may seem), that Dylan was going to get a ride in the morning to his friends house with his dad, but then decided he'd rather sleep in. So, his dad said, ok, sleep in, do some chores, etc., I'll take you over there when I get back.

But then someone came in the house and abducted him.

I agree that LE should focus on all possibilities. The question I have about the above scenario is that if the father allowed him to sleep in with the promise of giving him a ride later, why would he show up at the kids freinds home later in the day, wondering where Dylan was? How did he think his son would have gotten there?

 

[JaimeSommers]

What's hanging me up are the hours that elapsed between the father's return home and his reporting Dylan missing. Trying to remain objective and not jump to unhelpful conclusions, but I keep wondering if (hoping that) someone in LE took a good look at the father's vehicle. Did it look recently washed/vacuumed? Is there soil in the tires that could be traced to the soil at the lake (if Dylan is found there)? So many questions, so little patience.

 

[Chili Fries]

Maybe this has been discussed, but an obvious question is - why he was going to meet friends that early? Skiing seems like a strong possibility. I wonder if he had originally planned to stay overnight with his friends in Bayfield Sunday night and then go skiing the next morning.

 

[LotusPawprint]

I couldn't carry the quote from post #241 over to my post here so giving the credit there. Per Kevin Torres' facebook post 2 hours ago:

"Just spoke with the owner of the search and rescue dogs he told me that all three of his dogs picked up a strong scent where these three cones are floating in the water. they noticed it over the last two days. he says the chances of it being a human body are high. he says it is highly unlikely that it is anything else like an animal or critter. when I asked him whether it could be absolutely nothing he said that is unlikely. At this point we are still waiting for the New Mexico dive team to get into the water."

Any experts... is this typical language for owner of s/r dog, such strong word choices("chances high" "unlikely it's an animal, critter or nothing")? What are other realistic options?

 

[southernnana]

I thought a fishfinder IS sonar. Are they one and the same? Anyone an expert on this?

https://www.facebook.com/ReporterKevinTorres
Today at 2:38 p.m.

Comment/Rumor on Torres FB says fish finders are used in search and rescue to pick up anything that may be underwater, they are asking for a good one.

 

[Kmonci]

Also, if I'm understanding correctly, there has been no activity on Dylan's phone since 8pm Sunday. That just seems odd for a kid that age. If he were at home waiting for his dad to pick him up later, he would have been texting, on FB, etc if he were awake and alone for any length of time and you would think he would have continued to text the night he got in. It's possible someone came in right after the dad left, but seems unlikely unless it was someone known to them who was aware the dad would be out for a while.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

i wonder if dylan called to change the time/day or if he texted the friend to make the change?

I am interested to,find out what was used,for any and all,communication by Dylan with mom, friends, anyone else... Phone or text???

 

[margarita25]

I agree that LE should focus on all possibilities. The question I have about the above scenario is that if the father allowed him to sleep in with the promise of giving him a ride later, why would he show up at the kids freinds home later in the day, wondering where Dylan was? How did he think his son would have gotten there?

Indeed. But the father would have to explore all possibilities in his frantic search, and due to the recent discussion about going to the friends house, it would make sense to check (incase, say the friend called and said, "My mom can pick you up", etc.)

Dylan's trip to see friends could also have been postponed bc he didn't do his chores, or something, I don't know, just playing devil's advocate.

The no phone activity after 8 is odd though.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Just so I'm clear about this.....dad hasn't given an interview with media, has he? If not, then we really have no idea what he has told LE. 2nd and 3rd hand info through a reporter is "iffy" at best. :twocents:

Could dad already be in "close quarters" with LE...LE just doesn't want to let the public know yet... Until Dylan is found?

I am limited on LE protocol..so forgive me if this wouldn't be a viable situation...

Just a thought...

 

[DylansMom34]

If what we've heard about Dad's story is correct (which I highly doubt), he must have either taken Dylan's cell phone away sometime Sunday night (or it was somehow not functional.) As many others have mentioned, a teenager isn't going to just not use his cell phone for that many hours. Plus, if Dylan was feeling snarky about having to be at Dad's house, I'm sure he would have been texting more comments to mom during the evening and into the next day.

 

[nervous_nellie]

Yeah... Four hours running errands the day after your son... Who you don't get to see often.. Comes to visit?

:waitasec:

the fact that the reports have stressed that this "visit" was only happening because a court ordered it and the fact that mom said dylan sent the text upon arrival with the scowling smiley face -- somehow these two things are not good, why would any parent think a kid that didnt want to be there in first place was going to either sit in an empty house while he ran "errands" for 4 hours or go with them while he ran these "errands" -- in other words, why not let him see his friends? that doesnt seem out of line to allow? all the "between the lines" feelings are hostile and unfriendly...jmho

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

There is the possibility, that if the dad is not involved in this (and its important for investigators and everyone not to get tunnel vision, as suspicious as things may seem), that Dylan was going to get a ride in the morning to his friends house with his dad, but then decided he'd rather sleep in. So, his dad said, ok, sleep in, do some chores, etc., I'll take you over there when I get back.

But then someone came in the house and abducted him.

I agree... It is easy to get tunnel vision ... and I certainly don't want to do that... But dad has been so silent ....that it is deafening... IYKWIM...

 

[scorekeeper]

Does anyone else find it odd that there has been no presser?

Reasons?