CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #15

[SuziQ]

What do you suggest I watermark it? Property of Websleuths? Any mod advice/recommendations or leave as is?

Thanks!

I am alerting on this post to ask a mods advice. Property of Websleuths sounds good. Or at least your hat?

 

[Ransom]

Cell phone tracking - Mobile phone tracking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Please NOTE from your link
Mobile phone tracking refers to the attaining of the current position of a mobile phone, stationary or moving. Localization may occur either via multilateration of radio signals between (several) radio towers of the network and the phone, or simply via GPS. To locate the phone using multilateration of radio signals, it must emit at least the roaming signal to contact the next nearby antenna tower, but the process does not require an active call. GSM is based on the signal strength to nearby antenna masts.[1]

Again SEE here: http://www.cellreception.com/towers/towers.php?city=bayfield&state_abr=co

AGAIN: back up the "ladder looking thing on the far left hand side" a wee bit. Look: there isn't anything out there/near Vallecito.

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[katydid23]

I thought he said he didn't get a reply.

Let me clarify.

MR must know whether or not he has cell reception at his home. He told us he was at home, waiting to hear back from his missing son. So would he do that, if he had NO cell reception?

I think his statement that he went home and began texting Dylan, and waited for his reply, is proof that he did have cell service at his home. JMO

 

[gngr~snap]

Let me clarify.

MR must know whether or not he has cell reception at his home. He told us he was at home, waiting to hear back from his missing son. So would he do that, if he had NO cell reception?

I think his statement that he went home and began texting Dylan, and waited for his reply, is proof that he did have cell service at his home. JMO

So he must have had reception! Odd that Dylan didn't text anyone.
I wonder who else texted Dylan that day and got no response .

 

[Dee10]

I am leaning over the other side of the fence. I wish LE would clear him. There are so many red flags that personally I can't ignore. His history & the cell phone bother me the most.

Sadly if he is guilty of something, I sincerely doubt he will ever confess & Dylan may never be found. I hope LE knows a lot more, but I worry this will turn into a cold case.

 

[Confusion]

Yes, HOWEVER he was sitting at home waiting to see if Dylan replied. So if he had no reception, would he do that? He said that when he got no replies, he decided to go to the friends houses.

So IMO, he had to have some cell reception at home, at least enough to receive texts in reply.

At my place, my sister's and many others I know of, you never know if you'll have service until you try. I know there are times when my sister calls and the sound is crystal clear, at other times it's a garbled mess with a lot of static and/or echos, sometimes she'll talk for an hour+ with no problems, while at other times she'll have to call back a half dozen times for a 5 minute call. These are all from her apartment. The same thing is true here. People at my place will sometimes try to make a call and have to go outside on the patio or out the front door to get any connection, at other times it works fine from anywhere in here. A lot of things can affect the reception/signal at any given place; one of the biggest here is weather.

 

[PaulR]

He didnt get a reply. But my point is that he must have known that he had cell service in his home, or he would not have relied upon it to find out if his son was safe and sound. Does that make sense?

He told us that when he arrived home at 11:30, he was not alarmed because he assumed Dylan was at his friends. So he texted to make sure he was ok, and waited to hear from him. IF THERE WAS NO SERVICE THERE, HE WOULD NOT RELY UPON IT TO CHECK ON HIS SONS SAFETY, IMO.

You don't have to yell.

I'm kind of curious how this is relevant anyway since police have said that DR's phone hadn't connected to a cell tower since 8pm the last night, so even if MR did have "4 bars" at his place, none of the texts he sent could have been responded to by DR, who is the person he was trying to contact.

ANYWAY - MR/ER have both said that there is cell service at his house but that it is spotty. Phone calls have issues, texts go through but SMS messages can be and probably are delayed due to propagation issues from the nearest cell tower to MR's house. If there was an extended propagation issue then MR could conceivably have been without the ability to send/receive texts for a few hours and not known. As far as he is concerned as a user of a cell phone, he DID send a text and did not receive anything, but MR does not strike me as being "tech saavy" enough to realize if it was due to (a) his phone not being able to send messages to a cell tower, (b) his phone not being able to receive messages queued up at the cell tower, or (c) Dylan not answering for some reason (unwilling or unable.)

And there are lots of reasons why propagation can fail, I have my amateur radio license (general so I'm familiar with various frequency band issues) and can post links if people are interested.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

So he must have had reception! Odd that Dylan didn't text anyone.
I wonder who else texted Dylan that day and got no response .

I wonder the same for after 8pm sunday night

 

[scorekeeper]

I wonder if Dylan hitched rides when he was living outside of Bayfield or during September when he visited his dad? I mean they moved to CC in July. Is this why his mom talked to him before he left for this Thanksgiving week court-order visitation?

 

[Ransom]

According to this site there is an AT&T Tower about 2 miles (as the crow flies) from MR's home. No other carriers have a tower in this area. I would imagine all carriers are routing through this tower in the area?

http://www.antennasearch.com/sitest...=towerreview&pagenum=1&cmdrequest=pagehandler

Here are the specifics on the tower...

Filing #: 2012-ANM-2671-OE
Latitude: 37.444
Longitude: -107.538
Structure Type: Tall Structure
Status: Unknown
Date Filed: 11/01/2012
Ground Elev: 8196.3 feet
Height Of Structure: 151.9 feet
Overall Height: 8348.5 feet
Structure Address: Not Recorded


So at under 200ft, it is an unregistered tower but with the elevation a 152ft tower should be adequate for the area.

I can't see there being no reception in the area, especially on a Monday morning when a lot of people are at work and the tower is not likely being overused.

MOO

Did you look what the RED meant? As you posted above.

 

[SmoothOperator]

And the investigators, apparently, told the FB administrator, in a phone interview and update, that NOTHING was left behind, and Dylan had everything with him when he went missing. So I don't know what to make of dad's recent disclosure that Dylan left some clothing behind on the couch.

Sorry I'm a little behind once again so attempting to get caught up.. the above was exactly what I was under the impression of(and not wanting to argue with anyone, but rather just understand this issue correctly) because there's been back and forth on the issue and then it all died down for the most part and I was still left with this above understanding..

IMO its this information which there for leads into the back and forth on the entire scent articles and dad not having anything there for the need for mom to arrange to have clothing brought from their home in CCity..

And then there are posts saying thats theres nothing telling us dad DID NOT HAVE ANY ARTICLES OF CLOTHING which again leads back to the above information THAT THERE WAS NOTHING LEFT BEHIND OF DYLAN'S AT DAD'S HOME..???..ugh!ullhair:

Now enter in the information that comes AFTER we were told nothing left behind..its then claimed that CLOTHES OF DYLAN'S WERE LEFT BEHIND..even dad himself a couple of weeks later begins to say this in the media.. including video interview a couple weeks after the disappearance with Mark sitting on his couch where you can actually see the bed linens still there on the couch that was made for Dylan ..where dad is now stating there was not only the bed linens left on the couch, but also Dylan had left clothes behind on the couch when leaving out while dad was on his morning errands..

But as I first mentioned THIS IS NOT AT ALL WHAT I UNDERSTOOD TO BE THE CASE REGARDING CLOTHES .. The family friend(who might I add is a friend of dad's as well) has made clear what she was told regarding the clothes issue and her information came directly from LE INVESTIGATORS and is directly contradictory to the more recent claims of dad.. per DH, LE told her there was NOTHING left behind of Dylan's...NO CLOTHES LEFT BEHIND OF DYLANS AT HIS FATHERS HOME..

not to mention that this particular information per LE coincides with the fact that mom had to arrange to have articles of Dylan's clothing brought from their home in CCity in order to provide a scent article for the search dogs who specifically trail by scent... whereas just the opposite in that it does not coincide, but rather actually contradict the information now given by dad that Dylan left articles of clothes..(and yea, I fully realize the possibility that IF there are in fact clothes left behind that for whatever reason they may not have been sufficient to use as scent articles..).. I get that and am only using that as just yet another reason that makes me personally lean much more toward what LE gave as information that THERE WERE NO CLOTHES LEFT BEHIND...

ugh!

 

[Kamille]

Did you look what the RED meant? As you posted above.

Are you referring to future towers or registered towers? There are no future towers or registered towers within 4 miles of Vallecito as per that site.

This site has the registered towers for Bayfield it appears....

http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Bayfield-Colorado.html#CellPhone

The Verizon Tower appears to be at the end of Red Hawk Circle in Bayfield. We still don't know what carrier was on either phone though.

MOO

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Did you look what the RED meant? As you posted above.

when I look at that link there is red to the left of the lake and there is an unregistered tower at the far end of the lake (blue)

the red being a future tower

 

[Tennlyn]

Please NOTE from your link
Mobile phone tracking refers to the attaining of the current position of a mobile phone, stationary or moving. Localization may occur either via multilateration of radio signals between (several) radio towers of the network and the phone, or simply via GPS. To locate the phone using multilateration of radio signals, it must emit at least the roaming signal to contact the next nearby antenna tower, but the process does not require an active call. GSM is based on the signal strength to nearby antenna masts.[1]

Again SEE here: http://www.cellreception.com/towers/towers.php?city=bayfield&state_abr=co

AGAIN: back up the "ladder looking thing on the far left hand side" a wee bit. Look: there isn't anything out there/near Vallecito.

NM .. everyone can think what they want. Each to their own/agenda!

I probably don't have the jargon right, but does this mean that there aren't enough towers for the 'pings' to hit for what I think of as triangulation? I.E., there is no way to tell where cellphones are in the Vallecito area?

 

[Dee10]

Regarding the clothes, could it be that LE showed ER clothes that MR said are Dyland's & she didn't recognize them? Maybe MR had bought some clothes for Dylan back in Sept. say & they were to remain at his house?

 

[vasportsmom]

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[gngr~snap]

:waitasec:

I have no idea how this relates but IMO it does. I live in GA . Near Lake Allatoona . 500 yards away exactly. However it is Corps of Engineers. land. My neighborhood starts out high and as you head towards my street you head downhill ... downhill ... and downhill again . I jokingly say I live in a hole. My text usually works... if a message does not go thru I get advised as such. Now I will say I cannot talk on my cell here. I only have 1 bar. Yes I can answer a call but 98times out of 100 that call will get dropped within a min or two of talking... Matter of fact I am commenting from my cell... Wanna try and call me. I'm willing to bet ya $100 bucks that call won't happen.

How stupid do I feel explaining to Everyone I know.... you can text me but CALL ME ON THE LANDLINE ! My cell will drop you I live in a hole... I can drive ONE MILE OUT and I have 5 bars.

It is not "MY PHONE" even the most recently purchased i phone by the comp geek living in my home a who works online for a major software company and is a developer cannot talk on his cell... He has to skype to speak to his co workers on "meeting "calls...

I think it's a dead zone but not... the texts still go thru....


BOTTOM. LINE. Who texts from an area that has ZERO reception ?
Answer ... no one... they KNOW how cell reception is where ever they live PERIOD .

maybe like me they do not "get" the hows or why's but they have a basic jist of how it performs...

rant off.

 

[scorekeeper]

I probably don't have the jargon right, but does this mean that there aren't enough towers for the 'pings' to hit for what I think of as triangulation? I.E., there is no way to tell where cellphones are in the Vallecito area?

I think triangulation as we know it, would be hard here...off tower 1 or tower 2?? I'm not ever sure how far reaching (miles/area) each tower covers.

But if someone is pinging off a tower but said they were in a "no service" area at the time...that would probably be not telling the truth.

Hope what I said is accurate but I know you guys will let me know if not :seeya:

 

[vasportsmom]

:waitasec:

I have no idea how this relates but IMO it does. I live in GA . Near Lake Allatoona . 500 yards away exactly. However it is Corps of Engineers. land. My neighborhood starts out high and as you head towards my street you head downhill ... downhill ... and downhill again . I jokingly say I live in a hole. My text usually works... if a message does not go thru I get advised as such. Now I will say I cannot talk on my cell here. I only have 1 bar. Yes I can answer a call but 98times out of 100 that call will get dropped within a min or two of talking... Matter of fact I am commenting form my cell... Wanna try and call me. I'm willing to bet ya $100 bucks that call won't happen.

How stupid do I feel explaining to Everyone I know.... you can text me but CALL ME ON THE LANDLINE ! My cell will drop you I live in a hole... I can drive ONE MILE OUT and I have 5 bars.

It is not "MY PHONE" even the most recently purchased i phone by the comp geek living in my home a who works online for a major software company and is a developer cannot talk on his cell... He has to skype to speak to his co workers on "meeting "calls...

I think it's a dead zone but not... the texts still go thru....


BOTTOM. LINE. Who texts from an area that has ZERO reception ?
Answer ... no one... they KNOW how cell reception is where ever they live PERIOD .

maybe like me they dodge "get" the hows or why's but they have a basic jist of how it performs...

rant off.

My ex sis in law (and BFF) lives less than 1/3 a mile from me and I have great service while she has the same issue as you (we both have Verizon & iPhone 5's). She set up a google voice account on her iPhone for the sole purpose of being able to get calls at home (no landline).


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[gngr~snap]

My ex sis in law (and BFF) lives less than 1/3 a mile from me and I have great service while she has the same issue as you (we both have Verizon & iPhone 5's). She set up a google voice account on her iPhone for the sole purpose of being able to get calls at home (no landline).


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There were some MAJOR auto complete typos there!!! My apologies! One word in particular I did not type... I typed HE... not sure where. the J word came in... he is an atheist actually as in not what was auto typed there...
PLEASE. disregard that word !!!