CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #18

[Bravo]

The reporter who did the recent column about Dylan and his friend's texts wrote back to me when I queried him whether or not Mark had his truck back. His answer was that as of a couple of weeks ago, it "seemed to him" that he had them back.

No one is asking Mark or Elaine or LE, so, I don't see how we'll ever know for sure.

Thanks for sending that email. I wonder if Reporters have backed off. I wonder if LE has been consistent is saying "No comment" to any questions :waitasec:

 

[FootballMom]

okay. let's sAy he dropped his cell that morning and broke it. And he couldn't use the landline and he didn't know the computer password, and there were no numbers stored in his i-pad for texting either. So he was blocked at every option to reach out to his friends.

But he knew his dad was returning at 11 to give him a ride. So why wouldn't he wait an hour or so for his dad? ESPECIALLY if his cell was broken. Because if he tried to hitch a ride, without a cell, then how was he going to figure out where to meet up with his friends? And if he waited for Dad, he would have a ride right to various friends homes. A hitched ride, not so much. And if he waited for DAd, he would be able to go get a new battery or a trac phone as a replacement.

I want to preface this by saying I in no way intend for it to be snarky so please don't think that I mean it that way...

Because 13 year old boys do not always think logically and get bored easily. I see no reason to think it would be unusual for him to go outside to play while he waited or perhaps walk to a neighbors to use their phone and for some weirdo to come along with a "good excuse" to offer their assistance (ride, phone, etc.) and abduct him. Isn't that bad guy SOP - "cute puppy", "here I'll give you a ride", "you can use my phone", etc...

The boy has vanished into thin air and there is no forensic evidence to show that anything happened to him in his dad's home or vehicles.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

I want to preface this by saying I in no way intend for it to be snarky so please don't think that I mean it that way...

Because 13 year old boys do not always think logically and get bored easily. I see no reason to think it would be unusual for him to go outside to play while he waited or perhaps walk to a neighbors to use their phone and for some weirdo to come along with a "good excuse" to offer their assistance (ride, phone, etc.) and abduct him. Isn't that bad guy SOP - "cute puppy", "here I'll give you a ride", "you can use my phone", etc...

The boy has vanished into thin air and there is no forensic evidence to show that anything happened to him in his dad's home or vehicles.

JMO

But if he went to a neighbors to use the phone, would he pack up all of his belongings, and take them with him, including his fishing pole?

If he went outside to play, would he take his heavy backpack?

 

[FootballMom]

But if he went to a neighbors to use the phone, would he pack up all of his belongings, and take them with him, including his fishing pole?

If he went outside to play, would he take his heavy backpack?

Weirdo says, "I have your dad's number." "Go grab your things I'll give you a ride." "I'll call him while you go get your things." or "You can call him from my car on the way."

That gets him into the car with little to no struggle or effort.

 

[mmmagique]

Weirdo says, "I have your dad's number." "Go grab your things I'll give you a ride." "I'll call him while you go get your things." or "You can call him from my car on the way."

That gets him into the car with little to no struggle or effort.

How does weirdo know Dylan has "things"? Most weirdos would want him in the car ASAP, so as to be out of sight should anyone else come along.

It's just not passing the sniff test to me. Something is very wrong here, and it's not ONLY because a young kid is missing.

 

[shefner]

See, to me, whether or not Dylan would hitch a ride is somewhat irrelevant since I cannot get passed the fact that I don't think Dylan would not use any type of technology (cell phone, house phone, Internet or Dad's cell phone) to try to contact his friend R on Sunday night.

 

[FootballMom]

How does weirdo know Dylan has "things"? Most weirdos would want him in the car ASAP, so as to be out of site should anyone else come along.

It's just not passing the sniff test to me. Something is very wrong here, and it's not ONLY because a young kid is missing.

by chit chatting with him for just a few moments to size up the risk and determine if dad or anyone else nearby. The perp could either be a familiar face thus able to engage in a short covo or even a stranger. Dylan says he is just killing time waiting for his dad to get back to take him to his friend's and/or needs to borrow a phone to call his dad or friend.

 

[LotusPawprint]

Sunday night was accounted for, by his dad. It's just that a lot of people refuse to believe him. Maybe LE does, though.

Just to clarify... I have seen posts that clearly, (to me) state he could not or would not have hitched a ride. As if they know it is not a possibility. I am just saying that it is, IMO. No offense to anyone here, I know it's hard to explain the lack of activity on his phone, but explanations for that have been offered as well. Yet it's quickly discounted because it doesn't fit the theory.

What if Dylan's phone just died that night, and he didn't have a charger? Thought he packed it, but not there. Or the battery wouldn't take a charge. So he was tired and went to sleep, after Dad said he would pick up a new battery the next day. He didn't remember his friends' numbers off the top of his head. Got up after his dad left and said, 'heck with this, I'm just gonna hitchhike over there.' Took his backpack because he planned to stay a couple days. Took his fishing pole, too. Somebody came along who he thought he recognized, maybe barely knew, and.... something happened.

Pick out the holes in that scenario all you want to, I'm not even calling it a theory. I'm just saying, it's possible. Maybe not probable, but then how much ever is?

These ideas are possible and I know they've all been discussed but like everything else, why not bring them up again. At one point I'd suggested that perhaps the cell charger was worn down and didn't fit into the charging port on the cell phone anymore. I don't believe that myself but I've tried to create alternative situations. Nothing really adds up though.

I can't see MR and/or ER not having publicly said any number of things if there was a simple and innocent reason, like --his cell phone died and we were going to take care of it the next day -- or -- his cell is missing but the charger was left behind plugged into the wall near where he slept -- or I heard him yelling because something was wrong with his phone and that boy's world is his phone -- or -- When I returned from errands I noticed that my home computer was logged on, Dylan's email was open or the facebook page was open -- or phone book was out opened on the kitchen table next to his cereal bowl -- or -- MR (the night before) as we were going through bad cell reception areas and/or I told Dylan he couldn't see his friends that night (as MR has already said), he got upset that his phone wasn't working, he couldn't see his friends and he slammed it onto the floor of the truck.

None of these potential scenarios is bad in the least for anyone. It seems like Dylan would be all over that phone whether the battery was low, dying, dead, unchargeable... whether the cell was broke, tossed, taken from him - he would find a way to contact someone, anyone IF he were not restricted from making contact and/or hurt or unable to make contact.

Even a 13-year old boy who is angry, impulsive, and upset who wants to get the heck out of their parent's house and get to his friend's house, ... THIS boy in particular -- he would try calling his buddies or his buddies' grandma or his mom or brother to ask for a ride or help or to complain.

JMO.

Also on 11/24 ER said, “I don’t believe he ran away and he isn’t evading people searching for him. He isn’t just out there roaming the area. I believe he is being held (against his will) or is unable to contact us.”
She continued, “If he could call, he would.” His cell phone and charger and various other items were in his backpack, which he supposedly had with him. It’s not at his father’s house, she said.

Yes, I'm sure some will focus on "supposedly" and I know some think the words of ER shouldn't be considered seriously. But IMO this comment was pretty straight-forward and if she later found his cell charger at her house, left behind not packed by Dylan, or if MR found the charger at his house left behind, we would've heard that by now.

 

[Chili Fries]

I wonder what his mode of transportation was when he would randomly show up. jmo

He could have walked. Remember until this fall he lived near his friends in Bayfield.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Let's forget the tech-savvy kid. Let's just pretend for a minute that the cell battery died, or the charger was forgotten/broken, or the cell was broken, or nobody noticed the cell or battery wasn't operational, or the internet was down, or Dylan didn't have the password to the internet, or the land line was out (bill not paid).
From there, let's also assume that MR didn't have any knowledge of Dylan's inability to communicate. Let's also assume that Dylan was so exhausted (at 13, after a reasonable night sleep) that he simply couldn't get out of bed to visit his friends. Let's further assume that if Dylan didn't wake up with dad due to his exhaustion, that he woke up later that morning and decided on a whim, (after a bowl of cereal and watching tv) that he would just take off hitchhiking 20 miles to his friends house...not knowing exactly where his friend was, or leaving a note; so he just leaves...hauling his backpack, fishing pole and wearing a pair of shorts. In the cold. In a very rural area.
An opportunistic predator just happens to come along at that exact time, on that very rural road and abducts him?
Or let's say he headed to a neighbor's house...in that very rural location. And a predator just happens by?
If this was a movie script, no one would buy it.

The statistical probability of this happening is miniscule.
Stranger abductions account for less than 1.5% of all child abductions, leaving family/acquaintances, accounting for 98.5% of all child abductions.
Most stranger abductions occur in highly populated areas.
74% of teenage abductions are female.

Now on the other hand, the odds are much greater that a parent had some involvement in Dylan's disappearance. Hmmmmm....

 

[asyousay]

Or he could have been coming down with a cold or sinus infection and his ears were stopped up and ringing - and that could also explain why he had a hard time getting out of bed the next morning.
imo

How does that explain away the lack of communication with R or anybody else?

 

[Ransom]

He could have walked. Remember until this fall he lived near his friends in Bayfield.

DR lived a little over 8 miles out of town. I used Bayfield Middle School as the other address:

[ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Bayfield+Middle+School,+Bayfield,+CO&daddr=61+Windmill+Dr,+Durango,+CO+81301&hl=en&ll=37.231148,-107.600012&spn=0.018998,0.032787&sll=37.243179,-107.71482&sspn=0.009498,0.016394&geocode=FVk9OAIdk0yW-SGyT5wTjQ87Din7rQi-WCE8hzGyT5wTjQ87Dg%3BFStJOAId_GaU-SkZ7hHKHx88hzGCg-GIVk0L9g&oq=Bayfield+middle+school&t=h&mra=ls&z=15"]Bayfield Middle School to 61 Windmill Dr, Durango, CO 81301 - Google Maps[/ame]

 

[TexasCharm]

Just popped in to verify that we're still going round and round the same ol' bush!

Thinking of Dylan today .. and everyday.

:seeya:

 

[NC Analyzer]

DR lived a little over 8 miles out of town. I used Bayfield Middle School as the other address:

Bayfield Middle School to 61 Windmill Dr, Durango, CO 81301 - Google Maps

Ok, thanks. So not 20 miles hitchhiking. "just" 8. In the cold. Wearing shorts.

 

[Ransom]

Ok, thanks. So not 20 miles hitchhiking. "just" 8. In the cold. Wearing shorts.

That's his OLD house when he lived in Bayfield before he moved to C Springs.

 

[NC Analyzer]

All I'm saying is I grew up in northern Michigan...and I mean northern, northern MI. 6 miles from the Canadian border. Cold is cold. I don't care how impulsive or spontaneous this kid was, he wouldn't take off hitchhiking in a pair of shorts. He is no stranger to cold weather. It might have been warming up later, but in the morning it's cold. If he took off like this, he brought his backpack and he would have at least put on a pair of pants even if he wanted to change back to shorts later in the day. I know kid's don't always think things through, but they aren't stupid. Just sayin'

 

[Ransom]

MR house to Bayfield Middle School. Using BMS as an addy and not the other kid's home.

[ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Bayfield+Middle+School,+Bayfield,+CO&daddr=2343+County+Road+500,+San+Juan+National+Forest,+Bayfield,+CO+81122&hl=en&sll=37.469762,-107.55&sspn=0.009469,0.016394&geocode=FVk9OAIdk0yW-SGyT5wTjQ87Din7rQi-WCE8hzGyT5wTjQ87Dg%3BFUK-OwId0OqW-SljX9CbQJo-hzH2WJAhlwW_eg&oq=bayfield+midd&t=h&mra=ls&z=11"]Bayfield Middle School to 2343 County Road 500, Bayfield, CO 81122 - Google Maps[/ame]

 

[FootballMom]

Ok, thanks. So not 20 miles hitchhiking. "just" 8. In the cold. Wearing shorts.

How do we know he was wearing shorts? Did he not pack any long pants?

If he didn't pack long pants then well... I'll just stop right there with my next train of thought on improper packing/planning for weather conditions.

If he did pack long pants why could he have not changed into long pants and put his "dirty" shorts into his backpack?

How cold was it the evening he arrived in shorts? Not that it really matters but my boy will walk out of the house to go to school wearing shorts in 40 degree weather and not think twice about it and we live in the south!

ETA: I don't think he took off from the house with his things with the intention of walking to his friends or hoping to find a ride. I do think it is possible he was outside playing or walking to a neighbors (even in shorts) and someone stopped to offer him a ride or use of their phone (if his wasn't working).

 

[LotusPawprint]

All I'm saying is I grew up in northern Michigan...and I mean northern, northern MI. 6 miles from the Canadian border. Cold is cold. I don't care how impulsive or spontaneous this kid was, he wouldn't take off hitchhiking in a pair of shorts. He is no stranger to cold weather. It might have been warming up later, but in the morning it's cold. If he took off like this, he brought his backpack and he would have at least put on a pair of pants even if he wanted to change back to shorts later in the day. I know kid's don't always think things through, but they aren't stupid. Just sayin'

Remember yesterday according to the news report from the video store, MR reportedly said LE took Dylan's sweatpants from the house. We don't know where those were from but one would think those would come in handy while embarking on a frigid morning 8-mile stroll.

Also between MR and ER I'm still curious if they were able to nail down if he had a hoodie/jacket, etc. The missing poster never mentioned that but there's been some mention of a hoodie (I believe only from MR) since.

One more unknown. Great.

 

[NC Analyzer]

How do we know he was wearing shorts? Did he not pack any long pants?

If he didn't pack long pants then well... I'll just stop right there with my next train of thought on improper packing/planning for weather conditions.

If he did pack long pants why could he have not changed into long pants and put his "dirty" shorts into his backpack?

How cold was it the evening he arrived in shorts? Not that it really matters but my boy will walk out of the house to go to school wearing shorts in 40 degree weather and not think twice about it and we live in the south!

Don't ask me to find it, but I believe it was said he was wearing shorts wayyyy back at the beginning, and something about him sleeping in the same pair he wore on the plane. Not a big deal. I know kids. They do that. But I'm sure he had jeans packed, so wouldn't it be reasonable to think he would have changed? Especially if he was bringing his clothes with him and he could have changed back to shorts later?
And for what it's worth, I spent 50+ yrs in MI and now I live in the south. All the kids wear shorts in cold weather. But I really don't think most of them would take off on an 8 mile hike wearing them. Of course none of this really matters in terms of what happened to Dylan. Just passing the time here with speculation.