CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #48

[cattlekate]

Dylan visited his dad on Labor Day weekend and the next two holidays are Thanksgiving and Christmas.
If Dylan was to spend every second holiday with his father, why did Dylan go to his dad’s for Thanksgiving?
Elaine was granted primary custody of Dylan in late September and the Judge knew Dylan spent Labor Day weekend with Mark so why wasn’t Dylan spending Christmas with his dad? TIA

In Colorado - the holidays are alternate of the SAME holiday. Mark gets Labor Day 2012, so Elaine gets Labor Day 2013. Elaine gets Memorial Day 2013 and Mark gets Memorial Day 2014. Thanksgiving 2012 and New Year's Eve, 2012 for Mark, and Christmas 2012 for Elaine. Then switch in 2013. No parent gets Thanksgiving AND Christmas the same year. It is Thanksgiving and New Year's for the same parent. Christmas for the other. Dylan would've spent New Year's with Mark. This is just in my experience in Colorado.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

There is an eerie silence. Not just right at this moment. But generally, in the media, on FMDR, from LE. Not so long ago in our area, news just stopped related to a missing teenager. I was furious and said so in an email to my niece. She replied that in her experience when all goes silent, the police have their man/woman. Half an hour later, a news article came out that they indeed had found the girl, safe, and made an arrest. It would be lovely, if that repeated itself here with Dylan.

 

[Redhead72]

Still thinking beyond the lake. This is a map of the Weimunuche Wilderness area with roads (paved and dirt) conveniently noted.
http://www.coloradoswildareas.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Weminuche.png

Also noted that fishing season began April 1st, hunting seasons usually runs August-mid November and the area around Mark's house includes four or five separate hunting regions. My point is that with many outdoorsy types coming out of hibernation as the snow melts and weather improves, there is a better chance that someone might find something out there in the vast wilderness. Better chance than there has been the past three months with everything buried in snow. IMO.

With the snow melt also comes a lot of run-off on trails and such. If there is something buried anywhere, maybe the spring creeks and flooding will cause enough erosion to uncover something (esp. if the site was filled in quickly, and the soil wasn't tamped down solidly).

In the meantime, I pray and wait...

PS - I don't think the silence on this thread in particular is a lack of interest, btw. The mods have been extremely busy the last few days... (Not criticizing them at all by the way... Just pointing it out.)

As always, all of the above is MOO! :cow:

Keeping Dylan and all of his loved ones in my thoughts and prayers, as always.

 

[Ghostwheel]

There is an eerie silence. Not just right at this moment. But generally, in the media, on FMDR, from LE. Not so long ago in our area, news just stopped related to a missing teenager. I was furious and said so in an email to my niece. She replied that in her experience when all goes silent, the police have their man/woman. Half an hour later, a news article came out that they indeed had found the girl, safe, and made an arrest. It would be lovely, if that repeated itself here with Dylan.

I think we are all waiting for the ice to melt in the lake. If anyone (or animal) not Dylan is found in the lake, at least everyone will know what the dogs were alerting on. If nothing is found, we will all scratch our heads. If the worst is found...I'll leave it there.

I also believe that when the lake opens for the season, there will be a better chance of clues being found, if there is anything to be found there. (There is also a good chance that any evidence, if it exists, will be destroyed, but the lake businesses can't just close up shop indefinitely)

 

[cluciano63]

There is an eerie silence. Not just right at this moment. But generally, in the media, on FMDR, from LE. Not so long ago in our area, news just stopped related to a missing teenager. I was furious and said so in an email to my niece. She replied that in her experience when all goes silent, the police have their man/woman. Half an hour later, a news article came out that they indeed had found the girl, safe, and made an arrest. It would be lovely, if that repeated itself here with Dylan.

How long was this girl missing? Months?

In this case, LE could well believe they "have" their man but can't prove it. I used to believe in the sounds of silence, until it stretched into years in many of the cases I feel close to. Now I just believe that much of the time, silence means no news to report.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I place great faith in the dogs. That said, perhaps they led the team to the spot where he was then taken or left? Was a boat scenario considered? Canoe? Is that even in the realm of realistic possibility?
I for one, am still holding firm to the possibility he is still alive. How many logical departure routes are there from the point where the dogs alerted?

 

[Redhead72]

I place great faith in the dogs. That said, perhaps they led the team to the spot where he was then taken or left? Was a boat scenario considered? Canoe? Is that even in the realm of realistic possibility?
I for one, am still holding firm to the possibility he is still alive. How many logical departure routes are there from the point where the dogs alerted?

I believe all of the "hits" were actually on the water itself, and made by HRD dogs. They actually bring the dogs out in boats onto the water. They "hit" on the gases and chemicals of decomposition emanating from a body at the bottom, or submerged within it that rise to the surface of the water. If a body was in a boat being moved somewhere, then I don't believe it's possible that all of the different dogs would have been able to detect the odors afterwards on the water itself, especially after the passage of time between the hits.

Also, consider that the dogs hit near to the dam itself, and you can't get out that way... You'd have to actually go all the way across the lake to the other side and then go upstream to leave the lake. I don't know how deep some of the waterways that spill into the lake are, but one looks to have a lot of sandbars in different places - hard to tell the depth though from an aerial photo.

Unless someone actually dove down and recovered a body after those hits were made then whomever it was the dogs alerted on is still there - somewhere. (Seeing as the LE divers couldn't dive down to the bottom - only to about 40 ft. - and they couldn't see more than 10 ft. in front of them, then the likelihood someone could have recovered a body is infinitesimally small.)

As always, most of the above is MOO! :cow:
[With the exception of some of the facts that we know, and that can be referenced in articles, or research done by other posters, or myself (depth of LE dives, distance of vision under the water, where the dogs hit, etc...)]

 

[Confusion]

I place great faith in the dogs. That said, perhaps they led the team to the spot where he was then taken or left? Was a boat scenario considered? Canoe? Is that even in the realm of realistic possibility?
I for one, am still holding firm to the possibility he is still alive. How many logical departure routes are there from the point where the dogs alerted?

Unfortunately, the two ideas can't both be true. If the dogs led them to where he was taken, he wasn't taken alive. They were HRDs, not tracking/trailing dogs. MOO

 

[Bayou Mistress]

http://www.gazette.com/articles/thaw-153174-redwine-dylan.html

New article today. I am not sure of the protocol if this should be on the media thread or not.

 

[Dee10]

http://www.gazette.com/articles/thaw-153174-redwine-dylan.html

New article today. I am not sure of the protocol if this should be on the media thread or not.

From your link above:

The specialists who’ve been contacted use 180-degree sonar on a cable that can be dropped into the water as long as necessary.

If the sonar detects something, a remotely operated underwater vehicle will be used for additional investigation. An ROV is operated remotely by a person on a boat. They are commonly used by deepwater industries.

The areas of the lake that will be searched include the deepest spots along the dam and along the eastern shoreline, Hess said.

The lake “needs to be eliminated one way or another. The cadaver dogs hit on something,” Hess said. “What did you hit on? We don’t know.”

 

[Eileen730]

Very interesting read!


Not answering "yes" or "no": an innocent person will usually answer questions with a direct yes or no. Not so for criminals, says Dittrich. When asked "are you involved in this murder?" they are likely to give a long answer like "I swear on my mother's grave and all my children I didn't." This is a way of stalling: even though they tell themselves to lie, they can't quite follow through



http://www.businessinsider.com/poli...-tell-suspects-are-lying-2012-4#ixzz2PcFGqtTv

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Very interesting read!


Not answering "yes" or "no": an innocent person will usually answer questions with a direct yes or no. Not so for criminals, says Dittrich. When asked "are you involved in this murder?" they are likely to give a long answer like "I swear on my mother's grave and all my children I didn't." This is a way of stalling: even though they tell themselves to lie, they can't quite follow through



http://www.businessinsider.com/poli...-tell-suspects-are-lying-2012-4#ixzz2PcFGqtTv

Interesting. But this wouldn't apply to an open-ended question would it? Like, "Where is Dylan, Mark?". Or would it? Saying "I don't know" seems pretty straight forward.

 

[KateNY]

Good article Eileen!!

this is a good one...aka ..tossing someone else under the bus..

Helpfully offering another explanation: a suspect will often try and mislead detectives by putting another suspicious person on the investigation's radar

Most LE have some pretty darn good hinky meters

 

[Bayou Mistress]

I realize that most don't have this book on hand, but here is a link to it and on page 150-152 some of which may be available online, the research states that deception is not likely to be identified correctly by experienced police officers at a level that surpasses chance, especially if the information they are evaluating doesn't give them the opportunity to ask more questions (like us, who are observers in this case).

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[Eileen730]

Good article Eileen!!

this is a good one...aka ..tossing someone else under the bus..



Most LE have some pretty darn good hinky meters

I agree and I think they have a pretty good picture of what might have happened!

 

[Eileen730]

I realize that most don't have this book on hand, but here is a link to it and on page 150-152 some of which may be available online, the research states that deception is not likely to be identified correctly by experienced police officers at a level that surpasses chance, especially if the information they are evaluating doesn't give them the opportunity to ask more questions (like us, who are observers in this case).

Amazon.com: Research Methods in Forensic Psychology (9780470249826): Barry Rosenfeld, Steven D. Penrod: Books

As I see it just from MR's interviews he babbles on like a brook saying absoloutely nothing!.

He thinks he answering questions but hes only raising more!

All JMO

 

[Eileen730]

Guys do you all remember that interview he did with MB that one part...

He went to the marshalls I mean i went to ryans or nandos he lost it there he couldnt keep his story straight. I may not have it word for word but thats the guist of it.

He has a script as I see it and forgot! He got way ahead of himself.

then there was that time he says the marshalls never reported Dylan missing or something along thos lines and thus the time lapse between Bayfiels PD and the marshalls reports. When we find out he never reported him missing he asked if they had seen him.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

As I see it just from MR's interviews he babbles on like a brook saying absoloutely nothing!.

He thinks he answering questions but hes only raising more!

All JMO

Yes, I understand that is your thought and opinion, which I respect. I was merely trying to show, that without being able to ask additional questions, even experienced LE officers do not reliably detect deception.

 

[KateNY]

And, of course that short list in the article wouldn’t cover all the examples, of what turns on LE's hinky meter


:twocents:

 

[KateNY]

and yanno..LE peeps do having training in psych and such

one example
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/training/bsu