CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

[RANCH]

And does Dr Phil not use professional people to do the polygraphs ? and if this is the case then he had no reason to drink the night before unless he has something too hide :cow:


Drinking the night before he agreed to the polygraph did more harm than good as once again if MR is innocent then all eyes was on him again. And yet MR has stated "he wants this to be about Dylan and not himself" , he has a funny way of showing it :cow:

I don't think Mark helped himself by agreeing to go on the Dr Phil show and he obviously didn't help himself by agreeing to do the polygraph and then backing out. MOO.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I give up. You don't understand the point I'm trying to make so lets just agree to disagree about this one.

I'm sorry that I don't understand your point, I was actually asking you a question to try and work out exactly what you were getting at. if you don't want to answer thats fine but makes it even harder to understand what point you were trying to make.

 

[RANCH]

I'm sorry that I don't understand your point, I was actually asking you a question to try and work out exactly what you were getting at. if you don't want to answer thats fine but makes it even harder to understand what point you were trying to make.

I've given up trying to explain. It's not that I don't want to, it's that I don't know how to. I thinks it's best if we just drop it.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I've given up trying to explain. It's not that I don't want to, it's that I don't know how to. I thinks it's best if we just drop it.

Of course, thats your prerogative.


can anyone else please try to explain to me what would be the point of hiding or minimizing what sort of internet he had?

 

[Eileen730]

I don't think Mark helped himself by agreeing to go on the Dr Phil show and he obviously didn't help himself by agreeing to do the polygraph and then backing out. MOO.

Now I don't think you will like what im going to say but heck I have to say it.

Mark had to go on that show he is the father of missing child who was the last person to be with him. It would look really bad on his part not to do that show
I think he knew he would be asked to take that test and knew since his last polygraph alcohol will void that test. He sure had plenty of time to research it, and knew exactly what he had planned to do.

JMO

 

[Eileen730]

I don't think Mark helped himself by agreeing to go on the Dr Phil show and he obviously didn't help himself by agreeing to do the polygraph and then backing out. MOO.

but....
It was much better to come off as a drunk than fail that poly.


JMO

 

[Eileen730]

The more we learn the worse it gets!

 

[ColdHands]

The more we learn the worse it gets!

Did we learn something? I must have missed it. I agree the more we speculate on the few facts available, the worse it seems. But I haven't seen anything that changes the possible scenarios since I first started posting.

He's alive or he's not
He was killed by his father or by someone else
He was hidden by his father or abducted and hidden by someone else
The someone else was someone he knew or someone he didn't know
Whatever "it" was either happened in the house or Dylan left the house and "it" happened somewhere else

No new facts.

 

[packerdog]

He sorta told the truth about failing the poly! :moo:

I think the only truth he told in that poly is his name and address.

 

[Lordeebee]

Even if Mark said that he saw Dylan texting that doesn't mean that he noticed it was the I Pod he was using. MOO.

This got me thinking... so if Mark knew Dylan was texting (I think he said this to Tricia but not sure?), then wouldn't it be likely he would know why Dylan was texting with his ipod instead of his cell phone? For example, Dylan's phone battery is dead, and he goes to get his ipod out, and either mentions it out loud or not. But Dylan would put his phone on the charger and get out his ipod, right? (not directed to you Ranch, just jumped off your post)

 

[KateNY]

The more we learn the worse it gets!

sure does!

 

[asyousay]

I would love for MR to go on another show like Dr Phil to ask some hard questions and try and get to the bottom of why he is so inconsistent in his statements like "saying he he spoke to one of Dylan's friends but then it changed to he was not home" - how could you imagine you spoke to somebody when they was not home?!

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

Yesterday I was riding our local transit to work. A group of youngsters got on, presumably on a field trip. They were behind me, I couldn't see them, but I could hear their happy chatter. They were having a wonderful time just being together. One boy was clearly a leader in the group. He was the one who caused them all to laugh, picked up a new conversation when the old one got stale. From the interchange, it was clear, he was admired by his peers. I thought of Dylan. I was so angry that Dylan could not be with his friends right now. So angry that someone had taken him away from his life and the people he loved to be with. I am a very low key person, but I actually experienced rage. I thought of Elaine, who knows exactly what Dylan is missing, who knows exactly the pain his friends are feeling. Who has to feel so helpless and has to live with a rage so many times stronger than what I experienced. Not just for a moment, but day in and day out.

 

[Eileen730]

I don't think Mark knew Dylan was texting from his I pod.
I do think he took his phone from him!


JMO

 

[Eileen730]

I think the only truth he told in that poly is his name and address.

I think thats the only truth he knows!

 

[dlc]

Did we learn something? I must have missed it. I agree the more we speculate on the few facts available, the worse it seems. But I haven't seen anything that changes the possible scenarios since I first started posting.

He's alive or he's not
He was killed by his father or by someone else
He was hidden by his father or abducted and hidden by someone else
The someone else was someone he knew or someone he didn't know
Whatever "it" was either happened in the house or Dylan left the house and "it" happened somewhere else

No new facts.

ColdHands - Those of us following the case from the beginning have, I think, learned a lot over the past six months. You're correct in saying that the core fact, that, over 6 months ago, Dylan Redwine disappeared within the first 24 hours of his visit with his father is unchanged.

However, let me provide just one example - In the early stages of the discussion here, people were speculating that the reason why Dylan was never heard from again after approximately 9:37 that first evening was because his cell phone broke. We now know, thanks to Mark Redwine's confirmation, as well as other sources, that wi-fi, a landline, an ipod, and a computer to which Dylan knew the password were all available for communication. This is an important fact, IMO, as it limits some sources of speculation.


I can think of at least 10 other things we now know as _fact_ that we did not know at the beginning of the case. People can, of course, dismiss them as they see fit -- seeing a conspiracy of sloppy reporters, incompetent LE, etc., etc., but many of them add up for me when taken in the aggregate. Though I will admit upfront that I am, in general, a supporter of, and believer in, the integrity of LE -- especially when you have agencies including the CBI and the Federal Bureau of Investigation working collaboratively. Of course we can argue about minutiae, and parse (!) sentences till the cows come home, but looked at from a perspective of distance, with all personalities removed, the path is narrowing, IMO.

Thank you.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

If the backpack only was in the lake, that wouldn't be picked up by sonar, would it?
I ask this because, it seems like whatever happened to Dylan's phone happened around eight, when it stopped registering on Elaine's phone bill. In the interview with Melissa, MR says he remembers Dylan texting around the time they came past the dam.

 

[ColdHands]

ColdHands - Those of us following the case from the beginning have, I think, learned a lot over the past six months. You're correct in saying that the core fact, that, over 6 months ago, Dylan Redwine disappeared within the first 24 hours of his visit with his father is unchanged.

However, let me provide just one example - In the early stages of the discussion here, people were speculating that the reason why Dylan was never heard from again after approximately 9:37 that first evening was because his cell phone broke. We now know, thanks to Mark Redwine's confirmation, as well as other sources, that wi-fi, a landline, an ipod, and a computer to which Dylan knew the password were all available for communication. This is an important fact, IMO, as it limits some sources of speculation.


I can think of at least 10 other things we now know as _fact_ that we did not know at the beginning of the case. People can, of course, dismiss them as they see fit -- seeing a conspiracy of sloppy reporters, incompetent LE, etc., etc., but many of them add up for me when taken in the aggregate. Though I will admit upfront that I am, in general, a supporter of, and believer in, the integrity of LE -- especially when you have agencies including the CBI and the Federal Bureau of Investigation working collaboratively. Of course we can argue about minutiae, and parse (!) sentences till the cows come home, but looked at from a perspective of distance, with all personalities removed, the path is narrowing, IMO.

Thank you.

I have been here since November, read and posted pretty consistently, and I appreciate your opinion. Thank you for posting this.

I may not always agree with other posters, but I do value the opinions because it makes me challenge and rethink my own.

 

[Tennlyn]

ColdHands - Those of us following the case from the beginning have, I think, learned a lot over the past six months. You're correct in saying that the core fact, that, over 6 months ago, Dylan Redwine disappeared within the first 24 hours of his visit with his father is unchanged.

However, let me provide just one example - In the early stages of the discussion here, people were speculating that the reason why Dylan was never heard from again after approximately 9:37 that first evening was because his cell phone broke. We now know, thanks to Mark Redwine's confirmation, as well as other sources, that wi-fi, a landline, an ipod, and a computer to which Dylan knew the password were all available for communication. This is an important fact, IMO, as it limits some sources of speculation.


I can think of at least 10 other things we now know as _fact_ that we did not know at the beginning of the case. People can, of course, dismiss them as they see fit -- seeing a conspiracy of sloppy reporters, incompetent LE, etc., etc., but many of them add up for me when taken in the aggregate. Though I will admit upfront that I am, in general, a supporter of, and believer in, the integrity of LE -- especially when you have agencies including the CBI and the Federal Bureau of Investigation working collaboratively. Of course we can argue about minutiae, and parse (!) sentences till the cows come home, but looked at from a perspective of distance, with all personalities removed, the path is narrowing, IMO.

Thank you.

:clap: Well said!
I've certainly learned a lot as I've watched LE narrow down the possibilities, dismiss false leads, and focus in on exactly what happened to Dylan. Rereading through just the direct quotes and original press releases from LE paints a fairly clear picture for me of their investigation. They know what they are doing! :moo:

 

[Eileen730]

Why didn't MR keep in touch with his son over the months since his last visit?
By the conversation they had described by MR this was like the first they spoke since his last visit!


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