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5/3/2023
CO v. Letecia Stauch — Day 19
1:02:13 January 26 2020 the defendant had a video recording of her and Gannon
talking about the fire you recall seeing that no I think that would be important to look
at what she's saying the night before the murder I would I would have to see it sir I can't I I need to look at it
and then I'll say yes I think it is important or whatever but I I don't recall it not a problem
um oh we don't have one we can't play it
did you not remember looking at that as part of your evaluation I I'm sorry I do not recall exactly that also some of my
some of what I saw was unclear and the sun was not good so that I can't be
certain of that well let me describe it to you and see what your thoughts are okay
so she's first of all video recording a conversation she's having with her stepson who's 11 years old
saying things like it's okay we can sell the pouch not a problem we can sell the
couch and fix it again it says I'm just worried about my
Burns and he's crying then she says it's okay tomorrow and
then she shuts the video off okay remember seeing anything like that I’m
sorry I don't recall it but again uh much of what I saw was not clear the
sound was not good and I am not aware of having seen that exactly I am aware of
having read that uh that Ganon that she
said he had little bubbles on his arm that uh so that that's the part of what
of that I'm assuming it's the same issue that's that is the part that stayed with
me what about the part of her having the ability to stop the video after Gannon says I had Birds
I'm not sure what that would mean what uh what would what would you have me agree to I think that would be evidence
that she didn't want anyone to know that Gannon had bursts
uh I can't say I'm not aware of that because she did say that he had little
bubbles on his arm if she didn't want anyone to know that I don't know why she would have said that okay
4 36 in the morning on the morning of January 27 2020 she sends a text to her
employer saying I can't come in my stepfather was just killed in an auto accident
um you remember that you talked about it yeah a little bit pretty significant to you and your opinions
yes we'll get there in a second do you remember the rest of the texture
the rest of the text if you remind me I can tell you if I remember it what I
don't know what you're referring to paraphrase yeah so the boss returned was you know later in the morning but she’s
not up at 4 30. she says just let us know what we can do for you let me know
when you can come in words for that effect yeah and then the defendant text back and says I can't believe you can be
so inconsiderate I had a family member just die of your gymnast eating the text I’m
paraphrased you ever seen anything like that I I
remember reading about what to me seemed
lacky if you want you can call it psychotic but uh that made no sense this
1:05:51 man was dead I think for eight years and to call in and say she clearly was not
1:08:26 let School know that gain is not coming in today he had some stomach issues for that one
no
The Stepfather you said that was psychotic or evidence of psychosis I I
don't know what that what you're referring to Sir could you because she called in the school and said my stepfather just styled
I I think it's a peculiar it's bizarre I I'm not sure what that was all about
what she was thinking why she did that it doesn't make sense it's a bit of a
1:09:07 leaf to call it psychosis right now but it's uh it it doesn't make sense it
1:09:37 and then the morning of the 27th at approximately 8 14 a.m and then again at 8 16 a.m she takes pictures of Gannon in
bed and sends them to her husband I'll stop do you remember seeing that I don't recall seeing no
not unusual behavior I think you're funny is that unusual behavior taking a picture of a child sleeping in
his bed uh it's Behavior I don't know what kind
of baby do you think she might have been taking pictures to show that Gannon was still
alive that morning she might have been
and then you talk about it with her in the interview and you know from reading the
police reports that they her and Gannon leave the house about 10 20 in the morning
they go to Petco remember that part yeah in parts and they take Al Stout’s
red Nissan truck remember that I don't recall it was a red Nissan truck but I I
recall it was a truck that uh actually I thought it was her truck could have been his
and you can actually see Gannon walking to the back left passenger side rear
rear left door of the truck and get in remember seeing that video I I don’t
recall seeing it but uh you know I may have read other people saw it I uh I just don't have a clear
memory of that particular film now in the video you can see the
clothing that Dan is wearing see uh sweats with a white stripe going down
you remember seeing that as I told you I I don't remember seeing that particular
thing but again the equipment I had was not clear and uh
there was no one there with me to say this is what we're seeing now so that uh
but I I don't question this that there was that that there's uh it's peculiar
that here he is walking around and if I understand correctly she had already
called the school and said that he could not come in and said yeah yeah absolutely he's home sick she's home
because she's telling people that her stepfather died and they decide to go shopping
playing hooky oh uh was that uh buying cat toys was I
forget something like that needless to say ganon's wearing the same clothes that he was found in under a
bridge on March 17th hey leave that morning
I I believe you
now at the time that she drives that truck around and goes to Petco does she have the capacity to know right
from wrong I don't know either that's that's a leap where you know if
you can't talk to the person and you don't see more I I don't know you talk to her did you ask her that
I don't recall asking specifically did you know right from wrong at the at this point I I don't know and I don't know
the answer to that would it be a stretch to say she did know right from wrong the fact that she was able to go to Petco
run errands and come back later that afternoon with no tickets no accidents
that she knew right from wrong then sure I don't know I would think having called
into school and having said uh that this child can't come in and then taking him
on a on a field trip to betco
that she really did not have a good idea of what she was doing or why she was
doing it of and I I'm not sure that the idea of
right from wrong is applicable to this just particular episode it's wacky but
it's she's legally insane at the time she's driving to Petco again I don't know I think you would have to
you know I would have to know a whole lot more if you don't know a lot more can you
come in here and say that she was legally insane based on her driving to Petco again
1:14:09 I cannot I can't say because I don't know enough about it
1:16:19 there was at least 18 cut wounds and stab wounds right and a
lot of those were defensive rooms on Gannon some you know some on his hands he was
fighting back right as far as we know yes
is there an indication that whoever did that had the capacity to form the intent to
kill
I I don't know I would think so I would think so just based on the sad ones alone right
well it certainly had that quality of you know as I thought about it
whether there was an automatic quality to it which is partly why I wanted certain neurologic
tests done because there was a repetition as I recall and but there was
there were signs on his hands of cut of cut Mars fighting back right
looks that way to me and the location the stab wounds
read a chest one in the head rolling the back and arms that we
already kind of talking about does that indicate to you that whoever did this had the capacity to form the
intent to kill that that's a stretch for me because uh
when individuals keep doing this kind of act over and
over and over again uh it it can be an attempt to kill but uh
it can also be a repetitious kind of automatic act and uh
not having been there and uh I I don't know what what the state of
mind was whether there was a kind of an automatic going about this or whether there was a
real Javan killed him now I'd like to kill him but I don't know let me have you take off your psychiatrist's hat for just a
second and just use Good Old Common Sense based on the stab wounds alone
whoever commit this crime had the capacity to form the intent to fill I I cannot answer that for this the
reason that I've just told you that I don't know whether the person was automatically doing something which with
certain types of complex partial seizures uh occur where
a person just keeps they may do something not at all violent they may button and unbutton their coat they may
turn a light on and off and just keep doing it and they may just keep doing that or they may say not dead yet I want
to kill them so that I don't know for sure what was going on in the uh head of
of the person doing this okay well let's say there are two possibilities there are at least two possibilities let’s
move on from the staff yeah the fact that there was blunt force trauma I.E some sort of object was used
as four head injuries one of which crushing Ganon skull causing skull
fractures right the fact that another instrument was retrieved and used
lead to the opinion that whoever did this had the capacity to form judgment and reflection
and also had the capacity to form the intent to kill I I think you could interpret it that
way or you could say the person felt threatened felt endangered by the way I
did not understand where that came from or how with all of those stab wounds
where this item came from perhaps I missed something in the report but uh
well let me stop you right there because in your report you said you thought it may have been a baseball I've been writing that airport
I I'm sorry I don't recall that uh but uh you know it could have been uh a fear
that the person himself or herself was being threatened and that uh the wish
was to get rid of this threatening murderous object I don't know what was
going through her head
what about the blunt force injuries to her ganon's head the four themselves I
don't I'm sorry I don't have a good understanding of the object or of that
particular aspect of the injury so I've why does the object matter
I don't know I would have to know the point is they decided to move from a
knife and go to another object continue on with the killing correct
I'm not correct I don't know what came first or what came second and I'm not
sure how how when you're stabbing someone you get around to hit them on the back of the
head uh it's uh it puzzled me and uh and I I still don't know what
what was going on at the time or in the person said for all you know the person could have
felt threatened and felt that something was uh of danger to her I don't know what
was going through her head at the time well there's an 11 year old boy who has 18 stab women's lying in his bed right
and then she takes an object and crushes his skull that indicate that he's fighting back at
that point I'm sorry I don't know enough about these if you look at the currency
pictures I looked at the I looked particularly at the autopsy I remember I'm not I'm not
as clear of of the fun scene pictures except for the spatters of blood and and
this sort of thing but uh I don't know what was going through
her mind when this was happening was she defending herself was she attempting to
kill him the puzzle is all other data say that she loved him and that he
apparently he loved her I loved him quite a bit the next thing she does is she gets
another object done the fact that she gets a gun does that
tell you she has the capacity to use it and reflection it's the capacity to form the intent to
kill I don't know sir I when I spoke with her she her memory was I could see a gun in
my hand and I I do not know what was going through her head or why there was
a gun or why she shot uh why she shot this uh it would be a
leap for me to to speculate on this uh I it is not clear that that she
simply wanted to kill this this is a child she loved as if we believe what
other people said she loved Ganon so that uh
it's and so I just want to make sure I'm understanding that you wish to kill him I don't know that it was even he that
she wished to kill clearly she did kill him but we don’t
know whether uh at the time she saw Gannon and she was trying to kill again
we don't know so her actions mean nothing to you her actions mean nothing to me no uh
well everything's a leap to you I I just want to know what that means to you the fact that she used three separate
instruments to kill Gannon did she have the ability to make decisions when she did that
and I'm what I'm saying is I can't be certain what was going on in her head
because I I pondered it and I thought what on Earth how did she get this whatever the blunt
instrument was uh when did it happen and then when I think more than one person
said that she loved this child so that uh it certainly made me wonder whether
she was misperceiving something there and uh well then let's let's go forward then because what does she do after she
does all that she drags his body to the storage room and stuffs it in a large green suitcase
he had the capacity to know right from wrong when she did that uh
it would certainly seem she knew that this was something that uh should not
have happened and does that cooperate the actual killing that she had the capacity to farm to kill the capacity to
use judgment and reflection the fact that she immediately stuffs his body in a suitcase
I again I don't know for sure what about cleaning up the crime scene
after he said she stuffs his body in a suitcase she goes back to the room and cleans all the blood off the wall
not all of it that had the she had the capacity note right for wrong when she's clean and
bedroom she certainly uh believes that other
people will believe that she had done something horrendous or something terrible had happened uh that's I guess
as far as I can go right right now now she then goes back to the storage room
and throws a bunch of boxes on the green suitcase in the storage room we’re
seeing pictures of that again I've seen a lot so that uh
I don't recall those particular pictures and then the police come about 1009 that
1:26:31 evening January 27th and they searched the entire house
and her demeanor calm cool and Collective
and went to some friends to ask them
makes those statements with her demeanor like that is that evidence that she had the capacity to know right from law
I don't think that I don't think that's evidence that she knew right from wrong uh we don't even
know whether she knew what she had done we uh I I again I don't think that that’s
evidence she knew right from wrong what about is it evidence of psychosis
it certainly sounds out of touch with reality
when someone's in a psychotic State it's pretty obvious right you know looking around wrong no no
sorry that's television so someone in a psychotic State can act
normal and have a normal conversation with a police officer when their stepson is in the storage room underneath a
bunch of boxes in a suitcase particularly if the person does not know that she has done that or that this is
what what the status is that you know we don't we don't know what but there’s
something really odd about being in that a very calm sort of State here she is
reportedly murdered a child she loved this makes no
say this this is psychotic uh did she killed that boy did she think
1:28:23 she'd killed him uh was it that boy did she remember what had happened uh well let's talk
1:28:31about the next day then if she remembered because the next day at 6 20 in the morning
she drives her Tiguan out of the garage and is gone for 10 minutes and it comes back remember that
I I don't remember that specifically here and then later that morning at 8 30 she
goes to pick up Al her husband at the airport remember that yes
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