CO CO - Garfield Co, WhtMale 35-65, 789UMCO, skeletal in tent, Sep'04

[jenstar]

Someone previously stated there is technology out there that can pick up words even if erased... I wonder why they haven't employed that yet. I guess UID's are a waste of money to them (that's the only reason I can think of).

I think that all the computer does is connect the dots. I'm debating on whether or not to do that..wondering if taking the original image and overlaying it with my own interpretation would mess something up. Or just posting what my mind interprets and see what others think for themselves...debating. Moo

 

[astridxx]

Aw man is the Karl who provided his psychic answer about the guy OUR Karl? Or no, our Karl is Carl with a C..

 

[jenstar]

Aw man is the Karl who provided his psychic answer about the guy OUR Karl? Or no, our Karl is Carl with a C..

Bah! Naaah. Our Carl is a practical person..very gifted and an artist. But I wouldn't describe him as "touched" :floorlaugh:

 

[astridxx]

One of my fave authors (Blake Crouch) lives in Durango. This story reminds me so much of something I would read in one of his books. I passed on the link you posted about the psychic Jen. Maybe he can help!!


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[jenstar]

I've decided that I'm going to post the letter and see what you guys think. I poured over it for a few hours. First I traced the original handwriting to "connect the dots to the letters". I then read the note again to see "what made sense". The RED marks indicate my notes and also "fill in" where there weren't any letters at all, also if you've seen the blown up version of the note or saved it to your computer you can see that the headline also shows up more letters than just "Lib." I wish I could do more but this is the best I could come up with.

http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/jenstar55/media/libnote2_zps805825bb.jpg.html?filters[user]=134831877&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0

Both images are at the same location.

 

[jenstar]

You know, I've given this a lot of thought, and wondered if they ever found any hair along with the decedent? Also, I wonder if the whole cateloge of items with him were ever shared with us? Maybe it was dismissed but I wonder if he had a "walking stick"..here's a profile I've found with doenetwork. A possible? (I thought it made him outdoorsey because there was a deer steak waiting for him..) Maybe he'd had hunting experience? He also had clothes out on the line. So maybe he was living "off the grid?" JMHO
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3664dmia.html

 

[astridxx]

I've decided that I'm going to post the letter and see what you guys think. I poured over it for a few hours. First I traced the original handwriting to "connect the dots to the letters". I then read the note again to see "what made sense". The RED marks indicate my notes and also "fill in" where there weren't any letters at all, also if you've seen the blown up version of the note or saved it to your computer you can see that the headline also shows up more letters than just "Lib." I wish I could do more but this is the best I could come up with.

http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/j...[user]=134831877&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0

Both images are at the same location.

Excellent work Jen!!


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[carbuff]

You know, I've given this a lot of thought, and wondered if they ever found any hair along with the decedent? Also, I wonder if the whole cateloge of items with him were ever shared with us? Maybe it was dismissed but I wonder if he had a "walking stick"..here's a profile I've found with doenetwork. A possible? (I thought it made him outdoorsey because there was a deer steak waiting for him..) Maybe he'd had hunting experience? He also had clothes out on the line. So maybe he was living "off the grid?" JMHO
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3664dmia.html

OT: Damn. If they didn't have that photo as part of this guy's profile, I'd say it was my brother at that age. Holy crow. My brother is alive and well, btw. But geez. It really looks just like him.

On topic: Your logic is good, but where Stookesbury didn't have a car, that makes it very unlikely he could get to the mountains of Colorado.

 

[jenstar]

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/13451/0/
Another case. Skilled outdoorsman "took off" never to be seen again. There's no indication of a Lib or Libbey there, but that doesn't mean that he didn't "meet" one. If he decided to "live of the land" for a year or so, there's no reason why he wouldn't travel. The next article states that one day he wanted to do just that..but in Alaska. Maybe his travels didn't take him that far?
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/FAMILY,+FRIENDS+HOLD+OUT+HOPE+FOR+MISSING+DEPUTY.-a083615328

 

[Sleuthster]

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/13451/0/
Another case. Skilled outdoorsman "took off" never to be seen again. There's no indication of a Lib or Libbey there, but that doesn't mean that he didn't "meet" one. If he decided to "live of the land" for a year or so, there's no reason why he wouldn't travel. The next article states that one day he wanted to do just that..but in Alaska. Maybe his travels didn't take him that far?
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/FAMILY,+FRIENDS+HOLD+OUT+HOPE+FOR+MISSING+DEPUTY.-a083615328

He disappeared in June 1998 and the doe had money printed in 1999. I'm not saying it's impossible but he would have had to travel far and received money at least 6 months after he disappeared.

 

[zwiebel]

I don't think he's asking LIB to claim the body, he's asking Jim/Tim to do so (more likely Tim, in my opinion). And I don't think LIB is LIB - I think it says Liberty.

The page looks as though it has been retouched in places, at a later date. I hope not, because that would render it pretty useless. Maybe it is just chemical reactions to the substances on the notebook tough.

 

[Sleuthster]

Greetings friends....I am new here....
my request is for anyone named "LIB" who may know a man who went missing between 1999-2004
He had several items with him including a green spiral 4"x5" notebook.
on the cover he drew a heart inside the heart is a cat+ a bell+a cross

rather than try and explain this to you please look at the two colorado
newspaper articles about it.
Post Independent from April 20,2006 article by: Dennis webb
also you will find an article in the Rocky Mountain News
from may6,2006
local section written by Joe Garner
There is alist of items with him including these:
reading[wire rimmed glasses]
sunglasses
a Sweetwater-water-filtration kit
20[once a carton?] Camel cigarettes packs
8-multi colored butane lighters
pocket sized Battleship game
"4 in 1" Radio Shack Game
Silver[Sharper Image] binoculars
a Bell?[could be cat bell?
was wearing a black belt[don't know type pf buckle]
blue backpack
yellow+green plastic poncho
brown sleeping bag
blue hairbrush
six $100.00
one$10.00
one$5.00
five$1.00
=620.00.........which in his note he asks "LIB" to use to creamate his remains...in the note in the 4"x5" spiral notebook

one pair of SIZE 9 M Timberland hiking boots brown& black[shown in gallery at the newspaper site]

Green Eureka dome tent

Blue & Black Jansport backpack

Green camping pillow


plus other items....which can be seen at the Garfield County police department

If you have any information,call Garfield County Sheriff's Office,970-945-1377
Ext.1025

To call anonymously,call CrimeTips ,970-384-3625

or email at
crimetips@garfield-county.com
I am hoping the word can be passed around and that this man gets a proper
burial thanks!

The thing that stands out to me is this list and specifically the travel size battleship and the Radio Shack 4 in 1 game. I can't see a man this age traveling around with these items unless he planned on disappearing for a long time. First thing that came to mind is that this person isn't "missing" it's possible he was wanted and hiding out as he tried to pass the time with these electronic games.It's also possible that he was planning to end his life if he where to be discovered before LE arrested him. The money makes me consider this possibility even more.

 

[Sleuthster]

I've considered that this man could be a fugitive. Most people carry their cash in a wallet with their ID, unless maybe the don't want to be identified. This man could be Robert William Fisher.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/robert-william-fisher/view
Robert William Fisher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Known similarities between the two men:

-Age
-6' in height
-Outdoorsman, hunter
-Gold crown
-Back injury
-Tobacco


Some questionables:

-On the Doe Network it is written "The man had extensive dental work, including gold work, crowns, bridges and fillings in almost all his teeth," could that mean that he has only 1 noticeable (smile) crown and many gold fillings?
-The fugitive chews tobacco, while the unidentified smokes tobacco.
-The unidentified mentions a "Lib". Could "Lib" be someone helping him avoid capture?
-Where's the fugitives weapons? Could he have run out of ammunition (hunting) and ditched them?


This may be a stretch, but I wanted to say it first in case it does turn out to be him.

This one is a possibility IMO

 

[jenstar]

He disappeared in June 1998 and the doe had money printed in 1999. I'm not saying it's impossible but he would have had to travel far and received money at least 6 months after he disappeared.

It's possible that he cleared out a checking/bank account before he left home, and only went into town when he needed something. JMO

 

[Sleuthster]

It's possible that he cleared out a checking/bank account before he left home, and only went into town when he needed something. JMO

Yes, but some of the money was dated a year after he left so it would not have been printed for him to do that in 1998. So he would have had to received some of that money at least a year after he left. I'm not saying it's not possible but it doesn't seem as likely.

 

[jenstar]

Okay. About the 4 in 1 Radio-Shack Game. It states on an Owners Manual that it was released September of 2000 (which someone also pointed out in an earlier post). This was the actual Copywrite date of the game as seen on page 2 at the bottom. http://support.radioshack.com/support_games/doc65/65707.pdf

I think it's safe to assume that the Money found dated 1999 was a "base" of LE's finding because they didn't have that information. IMHO, This guy was out there and alive after 1999.

 

[jenstar]

What else can we _safely_ assume?
*Possibility to a strong Military background (canteens, supplies)..Army?
*Missing date of: Sept 2000 maybe into early 2001?
*Avid/skilled outdoorsman/ thrillseeker: (Surfboard Cover from Australia, willingness to go camping alone.)
*Love of animals. (cat bell, for safety?, also drawn cat on the front of notebook)
*Has a partner or love interest. (Two player game. Close to someone that he was sure would come looking for him. At least close enough to write a note.)

 

[websurfer]

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/shore_raymond.html

someone please turn it on
for dna tests:twocents:

 

[WWXD]

A couple of questions:

I can't find this case in NAMUS. Does anyone know if it's in there?

Secondly, I ran across this guy who's been missing since 1979. He was an outdoorsman and had scoliosis, and 20 years later would have been 52 years old. His family thought he'd left on purpose. What do you guys think?

http://charleyproject.org/cases/t/thomson_david.html
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/1890/181?current_page=dna

 

[CarlK90245]

A couple of questions:

I can't find this case in NAMUS. Does anyone know if it's in there?

No, this John Doe is not in NamUs.

Secondly, I ran across this guy who's been missing since 1979. He was an outdoorsman and had scoliosis, and 20 years later would have been 52 years old. His family thought he'd left on purpose. What do you guys think?

http://charleyproject.org/cases/t/thomson_david.html
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/1890/181?current_page=dna

Aside from the really long timeline, he does look like a plausible possible match. You have the circumstances, and the Colorado connection. He's a little short, but not that far off.