CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #12

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Coloured contact lenses can do it convincingly but I think they are expensive to use just for a disguise. Plus, I think that is more something a woman would think of than a man.

People very often don't notice actual eye color. I know people who don't even know the eye colors of their family members.
 
As it is a known fact that serial killers often have a history of torturing/killing animals, I did a little search and found the following stories. Some or all of these cases have probably already been discussed here, so forgive me if they have. Thought I'd just throw these out there.



Link re: Scott Andrew Graham from Arizona suspected of killing and mutilating 40 cats:

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...inst-Scott-Andrew-Graham-in-cat-killings-case

Link to 2003 serial cat killer in Denver which I don't believe was ever solved:

"Police are concerned that the person or people responsible could start attacking humans next, since many*serial murderers (search)*begin by killing animals."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,90954,00.html


Link to August 2012 cat mutilations in Denver:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/cats-found-decapitated-gutted-in-denver-yards

Link to story about Timothy Arie Kooyman of California who was released over the summer after serving time for torturing and killing cats:

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012...ut-impending-release-of-convicted-cat-killer/

Here's another link with a pic of him and more info on his crimes:

https://www.pet-abuse.com/profiles/13882

This link quotes Kooyman's mother as saying he will not be living with them. Wonder where he is living?

http://fridayflyer.com/2012/05/18/timothy-kooyman-not-to-be-released-in-riverside

Why does it always have to be kitty cats? :cat: :cry:
 
Coloured contact lenses can do it convincingly but I think they are expensive to use just for a disguise. Plus, I think that is more something a woman would think of than a man.

Just looked online and colored contacts can be as inexpensive as $15 per box. It's also possible to get samples after an eye exam. So cost wouldn't be an issue.

Younger people today tend to spend more time and money on image altering products. IMO, the possibility of a male in his age bracket using colored contacts to alter his appearance would not be a stretch.
 
People very often don't notice actual eye color. I know people who don't even know the eye colors of their family members.

This is going to sound weird, but there seem to be so many people with brown/hazel eyes that I almost always notice when I'm talking with someone that has blue eyes. If I don't notice eye colour, I can usually assume that someone's eyes are brown/hazel. I don't think children would notice something like this ... but the older I get, the more I notice it.
 
I agree he looks striking. Even something about the expression, the look out of his eyes. But, of course, the sketch is based on an interpretation of what was reported by kids, and isn't based on having actually seen the guy. And the sketch does not contradict the appearance of guy in the photo. (The lips are full, for example, and the eyes in the sketch always did strike me as a little off.) Not saying I believe it is the same person, just saying that it *could* be.

JMO

I agree, if we consider how unreliable witness accounts are in general then add the expectation that a witness must communicate his/ her interpretation of a suspect's likeness to an artist....well, I can't rule out the possibility just because the sketch isn't an exact match.
 
And of course there's no reason to think the sketch has anything to do with Jessica's case. Maybe the candy man should have his own thread in the Crimes section so he doesn't keep pulling us off topic here?
 
As it is a known fact that serial killers often have a history of torturing/killing animals, I did a little search and found the following stories. Some or all of these cases have probably already been discussed here, so forgive me if they have. Thought I'd just throw these out there.



Link re: Scott Andrew Graham from Arizona suspected of killing and mutilating 40 cats:

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...inst-Scott-Andrew-Graham-in-cat-killings-case

Link to 2003 serial cat killer in Denver which I don't believe was ever solved:

"Police are concerned that the person or people responsible could start attacking humans next, since many*serial murderers (search)*begin by killing animals."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,90954,00.html


Link to August 2012 cat mutilations in Denver:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/cats-found-decapitated-gutted-in-denver-yards

Link to story about Timothy Arie Kooyman of California who was released over the summer after serving time for torturing and killing cats:

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012...ut-impending-release-of-convicted-cat-killer/

Here's another link with a pic of him and more info on his crimes:

https://www.pet-abuse.com/profiles/13882

This link quotes Kooyman's mother as saying he will not be living with them. Wonder where he is living?

http://fridayflyer.com/2012/05/18/timothy-kooyman-not-to-be-released-in-riverside

Cats>Felines>Females...
 
This is going to sound weird, but there seem to be so many people with brown/hazel eyes that I almost always notice when I'm talking with someone that has blue eyes. If I don't notice eye colour, I can usually assume that someone's eyes are brown/hazel. I don't think children would notice something like this ... but the older I get, the more I notice it.

I think location also plays a factor. Having once lived in a region that was originally settled by Northern Europeans, not having light hair with blue eyes was unusual....
 
http://www.expertlaw.com/library/investigators/serial_killers.html#4


5. Victim Objectification

As a serial killer steps away from his base, whatever it may be, to begin the hunt for human prey, it is almost always true that he knows absolutely nothing about the person who is fated to become his victim. This is true even in the case of such serial killers as William Lee NEAL- Colorado, who cultivated his victims over lengthy periods (acquiring their possessions as well as their trust) before finally and viciously ending their lives. But for him as well, each future victim began as a stranger about whom he knew nothing. In this way does a serial killer differ from a man who, in a burst of anger, kills his adulterous wife, as well as the cold-blooded planner who kills for revenge?

It may be that having no prior knowledge of a future victim further enables the process of that victim's objectification. For as far as he is concerned, his next victim is not even a human being, in the accepted sense. So, well before he ever crosses paths with his next victim, he has already stripped that person of all human meaning and worth; he has unilaterally decreed from afar that the person is deserving of no human consideration whatsoever.

Thus, then, in a serial killer's perception of his victims; past and future: that each is nothing more than an object, depersonalized in advance, existing only for himself and his enjoyment, and solely to be seized and used as he sees fit. Moreover, he perceives his unseen prey not just as an object to be used, but as an object unworthy of any consideration, worthy only of extreme contempt, vicious abuse, and ultimate destruction.
 
Can anyone please catch me up on just the bulet points of the last two days? Anything new actually happening? Or is it just the same old stuff being rehashed?

Mostly the same old stuff being rehashed. The Arvada PD sketch of the guy who tried to lure the kids with candy keeps getting dragged out and compared to people even though neither that guy nor the person being compared (current: the guy arrested last night for driving around with his mother's dismembered body in the trunk) have anything to do with Jessica's case.

At first we thought the guy with his mother's body in the trunk was a real breakthrough, but it only took a few hours for LE to say he wasn't related. Which caused some of us to conclude LE probably has something the public doesn't know about that they can immediately use to tell whether it's the person they're looking for.
 
Got a busy day ahead ... but I want to say thanks to everyone for posting the updates ... it is much appreciated!
 
I think location also plays a factor. Having once lived in a region that was originally settled by Northern Europeans, not having light hair with blue eyes was unusual....

Even that is changing in our new world of cultural melting.
 
Absolutely disgusting that she could get more time for poss of rx drugs than for murder of Zahra, the dismemberment and scattering of her remains.

Exactly what I thought. I can't imagine how she only got 15 years.
 
Mostly the same old stuff being rehashed. The Arvada PD sketch of the guy who tried to lure the kids with candy keeps getting dragged out and compared to people even though neither that guy nor the person being compared (current: the guy arrested last night for driving around with his mother's dismembered body in the trunk) have anything to do with Jessica's case.

At first we thought the guy with his mother's body in the trunk was a real breakthrough, but it only took a few hours for LE to say he wasn't related. Which caused some of us to conclude LE probably has something the public doesn't know about that they can immediately use to tell whether it's the person they're looking for.

Thanks carbuff :)
 
This is going to sound weird, but there seem to be so many people with brown/hazel eyes that I almost always notice when I'm talking with someone that has blue eyes. If I don't notice eye colour, I can usually assume that someone's eyes are brown/hazel. I don't think children would notice something like this ... but the older I get, the more I notice it.

I think location also plays a factor. Having once lived in a region that was originally settled by Northern Europeans, not having light hair with blue eyes was unusual....
 
At first we thought the guy with his mother's body in the trunk was a real breakthrough, but it only took a few hours for LE to say he wasn't related. Which caused some of us to conclude LE probably has something the public doesn't know about that they can immediately use to tell whether it's the person they're looking for.

I was hoping Colorado only had one person out there who would kill and chop up his victim. I guess not.
 
thanks for those excerpts FoxFire. i was initially convinced this was a local, someone she knew. now i'm thinking he's just off the charts crazy and random.
i recalled another tool available to CO LE yesterday. we have mobile vans that monitor vehicle emissions. they are typically parked near intersections of 2 highways. there's one pretty consistently at the major intersection north of JR's house where highway 36 & highway 287 meet. i'm not sure exactly what info they capture from vehicles, but at the very least it's license plates
 
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