CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #21

[absentia]

Austin Sigg is an anomaly.

I do not agree with this expert, that broken families, criminal parents and being bullied caused this to do what he did.

Sigg's drive was not a learned behavior. No way can anyone convince me of that.

I agree. divorce, arrest, alcohol do not automatically result in creating serial killers. (which is what AS would be if not caught).
BUT, early exposure to abuse, or witnessing abuse, or even shaming during potty training along with the other host of issues, and the onset of puberty and no healthy outlets can certainly create some problems.

 

[Cashew]

So if tried as a juv. he could get off with 7yrs? If convicted and the sentences are served concurrently? He would also be put in a juv. facility, right?

And as an adult the minimum would be 40yrs (if convicted on all counts)?

 

[jennapuppy]

Obviously they go easier on someone who is a teen. According to what has been posted here he could get up to 35 yrs..?? IDK. My opinion is also that they should never get out once they have killed even if they are a teen.

Elmer Wayne Henley and David Brooks were both 17 yrs old when they were arrested for assisting Dean Corrill in luring and killing dozens of teenage boys in Houston in the 70s. They both received LWOP in spite of their age due to the egregious nature of the crimes. I think AS should be viewed in the same light. We have the attempted abduction of the jogger, the death and dismembering of a 10-yr old girl, and there may be more crimes discovered during the course of the investigation.

 

[Wondergirl]

I think domestic violence is a learned behavior which translates into how a child views other humans and women.

It's not just about learned behavior. It's how a child is treated and how the child learns to view himself.

It's the family dynamics--guilt, shame, making the child feel like he is not important. So many things that happen in families that pile up to create children who grow up to hate themselves and consequently other humans.

Too complex, but learning about positive parenting would sure make a huge difference in people's lives.

No shaming by parents, teachers and other adults would make an enormous difference, for starters.

I would agree that domestic violence is a learned behavior, but, I am specifically referring to the act of stalking, murdering and dismembering a person.

Dismembering a human being, and the predisposition to do what this vacant monster has done, is NOT a learned behavior, regardless of exposure to whatever.

It's in the brain/genetics, there is something wrong, it is psychotic, similar to Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy.

I might add, that there would be zero chance of rehabilitating a monster such as what Sigg stands admitted and accused of.

JMO

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I think AS got a thrill from submitting his DNA. He knew it would be months or even years before LE finally decided to test the 500+ samples, and then people would say, "You had his DNA all along and it took you this long to check it?!" Unfortunately, in his mind, his mother had to go and mess it all up.

 

[21merc7]

http://killingkillers.blogspot.com/2012/10/catching-budding-serial-killer-austin.html

I don't know how to look up youtube user accounts. Did anyone here find this one already?

 

[GrainneDhu]

So if tried as a juv. he could get off with 7yrs? If convicted and the sentences are served concurrently? He would also be put in a juv. facility, right?

And as an adult the minimum would be 40yrs (if convicted on all counts)?

If tried as a juvenile, he could get up to 7 years per count that could run consecutively rather than concurrently. So he could get a total of 35 years, even if tried as a juvenile.

I don't think he would be put into an adult facility until he's, well, an adult. At that time, he would be moved into an adult facility (if Colorado law permits it; most or all states do).

Not sure what his total as an adult would be. Forty years to life on one of the murder charges; I'm not sure what all the other charges carry. If convicted on all charges, there is also the issue of whether he would be sentenced to concurrent terms or consecutive terms.

 

[websurfer]

As I posted a few days ago it seemed to me a teen did this to Jessica.
I saw on the news his reason seems to be his interest in being a Mortician.
Sad but true.
With all the Vampire and Goth shows and movies and whatever these days[ seems people] not only teens are drawn into the world of Fantasy not knowing that what they do is Real....
glad his Mom bless her heart....turned him in so he can stop doing these things and get much needed help...

 

[websurfer]

If tried as a juvenile, he could get up to 7 years per count that could run consecutively rather than concurrently. So he could get a total of 35 years, even if tried as a juvenile.

I don't think he would be put into an adult facility until he's, well, an adult. At that time, he would be moved into an adult facility (if Colorado law permits it; most or all states do).

Not sure what his total as an adult would be. Forty years to life on one of the murder charges; I'm not sure what all the other charges carry. If convicted on all charges, there is also the issue of whether he would be sentenced to concurrent terms or consecutive terms.

This young man seems to be in dire need of Treatment above all else before punishment begins.Normal people do not do this kind of morbid killing.:twocents:

 

[Cashew]

If tried as a juvenile, he could get up to 7 years per count that could run consecutively rather than concurrently. So he could get a total of 35 years, even if tried as a juvenile.

I don't think he would be put into an adult facility until he's, well, an adult. At that time, he would be moved into an adult facility (if Colorado law permits it; most or all states do).

Not sure what his total as an adult would be. Forty years to life on one of the murder charges; I'm not sure what all the other charges carry. If convicted on all charges, there is also the issue of whether he would be sentenced to concurrent terms or consecutive terms.

I was looking at a worse case scenario for the community.

 

[kmn]

Can someone tell me where it was said that investigators were already suspecting him before his mother called them? TIA

 

[Cashew]

Can someone tell me where it was said that investigators were already suspecting him before his mother called them? TIA

Don't think we know that. It was alluded that he was one of the 500 who did a voluntary DNA swab and that LE talked to him.

 

[flyingsquirrel]

<modsnip> I did run across a website for serial killers that already have him listed. They have his priors noted among other things. it's new. All I have to say, it's obvious that he was escalating. I don't think he should have been allowed in the college programs he had been in. JMO.

He was not yet accepted into the Mosrtuary Science program at Arapahoe Community College. They require a background check, interview, etc. He was taking classes in order to be eligible to apply to that program.

 

[AstroKitty]

He was not yet accepted into the Mosrtuary Science program at Arapahoe Community College. They require a background check, interview, etc. He was taking classes in order to be eligible to apply to that program.

Thank you! I was wondering that because where I go to school, we have to have background checks among other things to attend. It just didn't make sense to me. TY for clearing that up.

 

[AstroKitty]

I don't know how to look up youtube user accounts. Did anyone here find this one already?

I looked for the 2nd name mentioned but found TONS of just videos on the subj. not the name itself. But I'm really bad at sleuthing lol

 

[momof7]

http://killingkillers.blogspot.com/2012/10/catching-budding-serial-killer-austin.html

According to this he stalked victim: Yes= Premeditated. IMHO

So very sad.

Kelly

 

[nursebeeme]

reminder: do not sleuth other minors. this lands at random.. but it is a huge :nono: to sleuth minors folks.

 

[AstroKitty]

I really wish I had heard his voice. Grrrr.

 

[LisaB]

No huge advantage to being charged as a juvenile, according to that story:

Unless I am miscounting, that's 5 charges at 7 years each to run consecutively. So he'd be getting 35 years as a juvenile vs 40 to life as an adult.

The juvenile charges could be rolled together, or the sentences could run concurrently, or be suspended altogether. And in general, after serving between 1/3 and 1/2 of the sentence, they become eligible for parole. It's unfair to victims who feel "safe" because a perp is sentenced to 40 or 50 years, only to find him out within 4 or 5.

 

[flyingsquirrel]

Thank you! I was wondering that because where I go to school, we have to have background checks among other things to attend. It just didn't make sense to me. TY for clearing that up.

no problem. this info abt the community college background check was on one of our local news channels on Weds, but I've been unable to track it down again to quote it. there's just too many news videos from that day.