CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #12 *ARREST*

[alucardsdream]

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Do you recall every having routine bloodwork done with Copper listed as a result? I'm seriously interested.

Because I can start naming MANY MANY doctors (all I've ever worked with and their referring partners and the referring to the referring) that do not test this as routine.

MOO

I don't think they test for it as a matter of routine because it's very uncommon to have a copper deficiency. Looks like as long as someone has a relatively normal diet, there shouldn't be a problem.

9 Signs and Symptoms of Copper Deficiency

 

[gitana1]

Let me ask everyone a question, if the intimate relationship between KB and PF is what it seems to be, if they were not really in one, is anyone able to consider that another person might be responsible for her disappearance? PF gets the child and goes on his way. KB had recently met someone and the two make plans for that evening. Maybe they agreed to have rolls at her place. When this person arrives, he says, let's go out and do something instead. Now the rolls are sitting on the counter, she ran out the door in a rush not expecting to go out that night. I would have to say, in the times we live in, it's possible for someone to meet someone online and not really know about them. I'm going to say this person was not someone KB knew that well but, he seemed nice enough. Is it possible she got involved with a crazy online dating person The plan for this person was always to do something harmful to whoever gave them the first opportunity. Maybe he wasn't from the area. I could imagine a scenario where KB had not been harmed but she was definitely taken against her will. This person decided to take her back to wherever he was from, which had them pass certain Idaho towns. She was forced to send the work text and then she managed to get her phone and turn it on just long enough for it ping off a tower somewhere. After that, who knows.
LE was given some info or they pieced something like this together and they are back at the condo trying to identify whoever it is. This at least explain why it seems they don't have video of anyone driving a certain vehicle near her home or in town. They wouldn't know what kind to look for. I think this is something that is pretty possible.

Where's the dating app info, or phone/text records to and from this new date?

That would exist if such a new person existed.

Yet LE have focused heavily on PF and no one at all has mentioned some new dude.

If there was info indicating some guy was meeting her that night - which there would be if that was true- LE wouldn't have been securing extensive search warrants of PF's property and vehicles nor hotfooting it back over there for follow ups.

 

[tmar]

It's in the north, right? (Yes! I looked it up.) But I can find Australia on a map! Does it really all look like those Mad Max movies? (Kidding....)

(Now look, you made me make another post...)

Oh, and it's not disinterested, it's just that when you haven't been to Scotland or wherever, it is hard to have anything to relate it to. For instance, we "yanks" sort of expect everyone in the world (I think) to know where all of our states are. But I, for instance, couldn't name all of the Australian provinces. Okay, that was a bad example because you are so practical with the names---North, South, West, Queensland. That's probably smart.

Speaking of Australia, how many folk still believe kangaroos roam the streets.
Mad max movies and Crocodiles everywhere while we 'put a shrimp' on the barbie'.

 

[gitana1]

Laci Peterson was the first case I followed on WS. I always think of her during the Christmas holidays. I believe Laci was strangled and if Kelsey was, too, there may have been little evidence to clean up.

True. I kind of think that PF is the type to cause some bleeding, whether being beaten to death or strangled is the ultimate cause of death. So if he's the perp, which for me seems pretty likely, I would expect blood and clean up.

 

[tmar]

I just text the doc I work with (MD - oncology):
"Is copper something typically found in urine or poo or blood or anywhere in the body? sorry. Following a true crime forum and need to know"

His reply:
"No not that I know of. Unless you pooped out pennies or similar"

So. There's one opinion from a licensed and practicing MD in CO.

Tell your Doc, about Wilson's disease.
Check my previous posts.
My friend died, as wasn't diagnosed early enough.

 

[gitana1]

No. The digital forensics would have led investigators to the crazy online dating person. The evidence points toward PF.
MOO

Yup. No phantom date just like no secret rehab.IMO.

 

[Crooked Chicken]

That sounds like drywall or following removal.

That's what I'm thinking -- the hammering noise is probably coming from removal of possible evidence. I was just about to post that article, but Margarita beat me to it

 

[Crooked Chicken]

Police search Kelsey Berreth’s home again; She’s been missing since Thanksgiving

“WOODLAND PARK, Colo. -- Police were back on the scene searching the townhome of missing mother Kelsey Berreth Thursday night.”

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CBI, other agencies search Kelsey Berreth’s home a 2nd time

James Dougherty
@DoughertyKMGH
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@CBI_Colorado
and Woodland Park Police have been going in and out of the home of Kelsey Berreth in Woodland Park, CO. I heard some banging coming from inside which sounded like someone hammering on the walls. #Denver7

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Investigators search Kelsey Berreth's home second time

“Investigators with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, the Woodland Park Police Department and the FBI were spotted at Berreth’s home just before 7 p.m. going in and out of the residence.“

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Investigators pull evidence from Kelsey Berreth’s home

“Crime scene specialists with both the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Colorado Bureau of Investigation were seen hauling out dozens of items covered in brown bags for a few hours Thursday night. It’s unclear why police keep returning to the home, what they are looking for and what they’ve already found.“

Here are a couple of the photos showing the large evidence removed -- from the James Dougherty link above:

 

[Crooked Chicken]

oops -- here's another

 

[Crooked Chicken]

Something I have been wondering about is what kind of relationship KB had with PF's mother. My gut tells me she didn't approve of her son's prospective bride. Also that she may have pressured her son to cut ties. Just an assumption.

 

[MassGuy]

Something I have been wondering about is what kind of relationship KB had with PF's mother. My gut tells me she didn't approve of her son's prospective bride. Also that she may have pressured her son to cut ties. Just an assumption.

There’s really no way of knowing what their relationship was like.

Kelsey is missing, and PF’s mother hasn’t said a word.

Just like her son.

 

[Janieva]

There’s really no way of knowing what their relationship was like.

Kelsey is missing, and PF’s mother hasn’t said a word.

Just like her son.

I get the perception that he’s a Mama’s Boy. Especially since he lives with her... he’s either under her rule or he can do no wrong in her eyes.

 

[gngr~snap]

Or a table top?

Attic access/entry door, HVAC filter and insulation perhaps?
My house had my HVAC in the attic. I hated going up there in summertime to change the filters. It was SO HOT!
Moo

 

[jillianelaine]

I question whether they had arranged for him to come over at 12:30 with the purpose of exchanging the kid. Assuming she drove her own car to the grocery store it seems far more likely that she'd revise the existing plans and just drop the kid off to him. I suspect everything the child needed (i.e. clothes, diapers,...) was already at his home.

 

[MassGuy]

I question whether they had arranged for him to come over at 12:30 with the purpose of exchanging the kid. Assuming she drove her own car to the grocery store it seems far more likely that she'd revise the existing plans and just drop the kid off to him. I suspect everything the child needed (i.e. clothes, diapers,...) was already at his home.

I dunno. I don’t think that it’s a stretch to believe that a crime occurred in her house, especially after the search today.

Assuming that PF is responsible for this, which I don’t think is a stretch either, I think the most likely scenario is that she was attacked in her home on Thanksgiving afternoon.

He may have come by to pick up his daughter, they had an argument, and she ended up being killed in the process.

He then returned home, and ultimately returned to Kelsey’s house, in order clean up the scene, and remove the body.

Probably under the cover of darkness.

 

[jillianelaine]

I'd bet a dozen cinnamon rolls that Kelsey's plans for Thanksgiving was to spend the day together and at some point during that day things went awry. Sometimes lies approximate the truth and while Kelsey's mother had made references to trees and recipes, she may have omitted that, that was how Kelsey had planned to spend that day. I don't think it makes sense logistically to get a tree and manage a kid at the same time so I don't believe the idea that Kelsey was postponing getting a tree because PF and the kid might do it themselves. If you share the belief that the infamous text PF received was orchestrated by PF and that it had included words which insinuated she needed a break from him, then you might join me in believing they were still together. If they had ended their relationship previously, certainly he'd fear being exposed by her family or friends who already knew they were no longer together.

 

[jillianelaine]

I dunno. I don’t think that it’s a stretch to believe that a crime occurred in her house, especially after the search today.

Assuming that PF is responsible for this, which I don’t think is a stretch either, I think the most likely scenario is that she was attacked in her home on Thanksgiving afternoon.

He may have come by to pick up his daughter, they had an argument, and she ended up being killed in the process.

He then returned home, and ultimately returned to Kelsey’s house, in order clean up the scene, and remove the body.

Probably under the cover of darkness.

I agree and disagree. I am a Gemini, I can! I am not discounting that she was attacked in her home. (Or maybe at a tree farm). What I am questioning is his claim to have come with the sole purpose of transfering the kid. Isn't it plausible that maybe they had made plans for him to "pick us up after lunch and well go look for a tree".

 

[tmar]

Arrests here are often made around 6 AM.
What time is it at Woodland park now?
I am hoping for 'breaking news'.

 

[zecats]

Speaking of Australia, how many folk still believe kangaroos roam the streets.
Mad max movies and Crocodiles everywhere while we 'put a shrimp' on the barbie'.

As to your topic : When I visited Australia, I actually did see a kangaroo hopping along side of the road. It was interesting to me as I’d never seen one outside of a zoo.

 

[MassGuy]

I agree and disagree. I am a Gemini, I can! I am not discounting that she was attacked in her home. (Or maybe at a tree farm). What I am questioning is his claim to have come with the sole purpose of transfering the kid. Isn't it plausible that maybe they had made plans for him to "pick us up after lunch and well go look for a tree".

Ha! Yeah, I definitely do think that’s plausible.

I think this all comes down to the state of their relationship, and if they were even still a couple at this point.

If they weren’t together, then I don’t see her going off with him for dinner, or to get a Christmas tree.

If they were still together at that point, then I could obviously see her going with him.

My thinking is that they weren’t together though, which is why I think something happened right then and there, when he came to pick up his daughter.