CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #22 *ARREST*

[Steelslady]

Snippped and bolded by me.

Multiple anonymous tips?! I'm guessing that locals to IN knew she was involved with PF and with the news about the cellphone ping, they suspected something? But would that be enough for "multiple" people to call in a tip?

Was she indiscreet about her involvement?

Very curious about the multiple tips received about IN.

jmo

I'm wondering if some of the co-workers or someone close to her might have reported her to LE. Especially someone who was up to date on missing people- they might have put two and two together when they heard the phone pinged in Idaho, and gave a tip to LE.

 

[Inthedetails]

So....he's due back in court tomorrow, Jan 4, correct? What is expected to be happen in that proceeding?

 

[gitana1]

I don’t think she is the one that killed KB and I don’t think she knows where the body is, I could be wrong but I’m sticking to PF doing the killing and disposal.

I think maybe he tried to solicit her and her “nurse skills” at one point maybe, but I think she turned him down and he maybe talked her into taking the phone for that part. Purely IMO. Will be very interesting to see if PF protects her now that she has talked or just how much blame he puts on her.

I agree with the first paragraph. Beyond that I have no clue.

 

[oviedo]

I am thinking that when the warrant is unsealed there will be allegations supporting the awarding of temporary custody to CB JMO

 

[Trudie]

I'm having a hard time comprehending that a professional woman (nurse), who lives 700 miles away from a love interest (maybe), would actively participate in the murder or participate in a coverup of murder of a mother. Maybe it's just me.

Text sent from KB's on November 25th
1st LE conference Dec. 10th
PF was arrested on December 21st
Twin Falls LE openly involved on the 22nd with search warrants (and may have been involved earlier, search warrants often take time).

Two most possible cases IMO-

1) the woman reported by MSM in Twin Falls was aware of the murder of KB and participated in some capacity, at least willing fully sending messages from KBs phone.

2) the woman reported by MSM in Twin Falls was not aware of the murder of KB and did not knowingly participate.
Maybe she was asked by PF to turn on a phone in Idaho outside of Twin Falls when she returned, and dispose of it. She complied as she was told it was part of some action other than murder, custody issue? PF possibly convinced her that KB was unstable and would leave at various times (the story his people have told before). Is it possible that she was blinded by emotion until it became clear what she had done. Keep in mind, before Dec. 10th, she would probably only be getting information from PF and MSM- which was inaccurate, filtered or at least much less than what we knew at WS. In addition, exposing someone to LE also has the backlash possibility of being wrong on your action- this can make people hesitate much longer than if you were reporting a stranger.

It is possible that she went to LE before PF's arrest, and that got things rolling. Possibly in the days after Dec. 10th.

OK, there are more than just two possibilities. But my possibility #2 seems to be viable, although certainly not as likely as possibility 1.

So, personally I had this case closed by December 15th- I concluded that PF acted in rage and alone on Thanksgiving, and disposed of her body that afternoon heading back to Florissant. Yeah, wrong on everything.
Now I am trying to keep an open mind, especially on things I don't quite understand. So maybe she didn't knowingly participate. I look forward to the arrest warrant and trial, the "answers to the test", so I can learn and do better next time!

She would not be the first nurse to be charged with a crime.
If it was revealed she’s not a nurse, but rather a waitress, would you feel dif’?

 

[Lore Listener]

I will not dispose of them for you. Just saying.

Well played!

 

[gitana1]

Would the Berreths typically be allowed to return home with the baby?

Yes.

 

[Mom24]

Really? Where? In your state? I have been present & within eyeshot (bc of previous job) of many arrests & I've never seen “those around” detained.
I know my home state does not detain innocent bystanders. If serving an arrest warrant, they would arrest
the person on the warrant. Unless all hell erupted, family or guests wouldn’t be detained. If a spouse or a parent started screaming or otherwise going off (like not wanting to surrender a child), then, yes, they might be detained.
Jmo
Every state has dif’ laws.

Might be. Each state, and sometimes each county, has their own protocol for arrests and detainment.

 

[oviedo]

She knew.

The rumors, at least some important ones, are being validated now. More people are coming forward. People who are not connected to any key players, but who are able to provide dates/times/circumstances that are painting a picture of what happened

She knew.

I can’t help but recall the mention of this whole situation being a “long story”- will need to find the link to MSM but it was mid December - what the heck was the murder plot and just how many were involved ??

 

[jaspermac]

I don’t believe that PF’s attorney has seen the arrest warrant affidavit at all. If the judge orders that it be unsealed to the attorney tomorrow, even if she rejects the DA’s motion that he hide it from his client, that won’t change the fact that the lawyer is now behind the 8-ball and having to play catch-up in this case.

I think she was left with no choice but to delay a decision, what with the DA claiming that people’s lives were at risk. So she was forced to err on the side of caution. The concern is that it won’t be possible to cure the harm already done. Read closely what the legal experts said in the Denver Post article about violation of the 14th amendment and due process. They know more about the law than you or I do, too.

Watch the video of the court proceedings from a few days ago. You will see the judge clearly ruled to allow PF's attorneys to see the contents of the warrant but it remains sealed to PF until she rules on it Fri.
From the Denver Post as you referenced "May said he is asking the judge to withhold the affidavit from the defendant, but Frazee’s attorney would be allowed to have it as long as he swore not to speak with his client about it."

The Judge has seen the contents of the arrest warrant and knows why the Prosecution has a safety concern around the release of the information. And I trust the Judge knows more about the law and how to make rulings than the Denver Post or me.

 

[Trudie]

Yes I know... lol

You would have to go back and look at the comment I was replying to originally

ETA: the post I was originally commenting on ...

Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #22 *ARREST*

Sorry

 

[BingoBongo]

Well right now that is all we have heard...that she allegedly disposed of a phone. How can one prove what she “knew” about the phone? If her boyfriend gave it to her, said throw this in a lake, and she did it...i.e
Some women will do such things for their men...

Anyway...I have little doubt she did more than that but dislike seeing people post “ she committed a crime!”etc...so just being a pest.

She committed a crime.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Snippped and bolded by me.

Multiple anonymous tips?! I'm guessing that locals to IN knew she was involved with PF and with the news about the cellphone ping, they suspected something? But would that be enough for "multiple" people to call in a tip?

Was she indiscreet about her involvement?

Very curious about the multiple tips received about IN.

jmo

That refers to multiple people contacting the newspaper anonymously - not law enforcement.

 

[jaspermac]

The thing that we are closest to seeing, is that arrest affidavit.

It will shed more light on this case than all the information we have thus far, combined.

As long as it isn’t overly redacted, we will learn a lot.

Hopefully it is unsealed tomorrow.

I have a feeling they will unseal it for PF but not for the public. Hoping I'm wrong.

 

[Mom24]

I have a feeling they will unseal it for PF but not for the public. Hoping I'm wrong.

I agree, I doubt we'll know any more by this weekend than we do right now. IMO

 

[dkryder]

i think that it is possible to schedule a text message on android phone and maybe also on iphone. so it is somewhat plausible to me that PF might have left the cellphone in IN car. she drives to ID not knowing it was in car. text message sent via automagic schedule. IN later finds phone in car. PF tells her some story about KB getting new phone and he was supposed to sell it for her. so PF tells IN to sell it or toss it. either LE finds it via the pings being tracked or IN calls LE after whole PF thing gets too deep for her. i'm not so sure LE has much on IN that is chargeable unless PF decides to finger her. of course, all of that is huge speculation except that the scheduling of text which could mean no one sent the text from ID, but that PF set up the schedule then found a way to get it to ID. IN could be an unknowing lacky pawn in the deal. ok, enough of my opinions/imagination.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

These men who kill their SOs really have no shame, do they? Nothing would surprise me at this point

Neither do their Side chicks. How stoopid to go so low just to be a notch in a belt,and what do they have to show for it?

 

[Irmese]

There have been several people who have stated he took the baby to work with him. I don't doubt that he had other people watch her when it wasn't convenient for him.
And now that we know he had another women in his life for that long, I find it hard to believe they were a happy couple until very recently.
I just can't see how Kelsey would have missed the signs. She must have known something was up, although since she didn't live with him neither one may have known what the other was doing. Maybe that's how she wanted it. She seemed pretty independent to me. Imo

I have serious doubts of his having the child with him while he's working on horses. You can't just put her in a car carrier and leave her to sit outside a corral in the sun or wind, or in a stall in a barn for hours on end with next to no supervision. She's not a sack of potatoes. This is a tiny, fragile human. As an infant, she would have needed frequent bottles and diaper changes. Once she was walking, she would have had to learn to stay out of the way. I don't think she's old enough for that. I'm pretty sure SF was keeping her when PF was working. Him dragging K around for the cameras isn't quite the same as taking care of her.

 

[Trudie]

I think w/o a confession, this is one large mess.
It’s not a stretch, by any means, to consider the likelihood that someone’s prints will be or have been found in K’s house. Someone’s besides P’s. Someone’s that shouldn’t be there.
A friend just had a beer at my house, if I kill my neighbor, think of the commmotion created if I deposit my friend’s beer can at the crime scene? That puts him there.

All speculation & MOO

 

[Trudie]

I have serious doubts of his having the child with him while he's working on horses. You can't just put her in a car carrier and leave her to sit outside a corral in the sun or wind, or in a stall in a barn for hours on end with next to no supervision. She's not a sack of potatoes. This is a tiny, fragile human. As an infant, she would have needed frequent bottles and diaper changes. Once she was walking, she would have had to learn to stay out of the way. I don't think she's old enough for that. I'm pretty sure SF was keeping her when PF was working. Him dragging K around for the cameras isn't quite the same as taking care of her.

If he’s only got a few head, it’d be a very quick job. I’ve seen veterinarians bring younger kids on farm calls. MOO