CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[SandyQLS]

Found it! BBM mine. It doesn't make sense. Reporting error?

KK met PF at the Florissant Coneco Gas Station at 4:30 p.m. and they went to the Nash property. KK says PF backed the truck up to a large red barn.

• KK told cops she went back to Nash Ranch and helped PF retrieve KB’s body from the barn at Nash Ranch.
• PF used a ladder to climb this large haystack to get the tote and a plastic bag containing KB’s gun. A tractor was used to bring the tote down from the top of the stack, Slater says.
• With KB’s body in a Toyota Tacoma, they drive to PF’s property. There, he used gasoline and oil to burn the tote containing KB’s body, baseball bat and the trash bags from the crime scene.
• PF collected wood and begin to start a fire and begin to burn that black tote. The remains of KB were allegedly placed. KK says she never saw KB inside the tote but when the fire began to burn she saw a lump.
• Slater: KB’s body was burned while it was inside the tote. PF used gasoline and wood. Patrick used a faded red gas tank to pour gasoline on the black tote.
• Slater: KK did see SF come out to the porch to see what was going on.
• Slater: According to KK, PF “scooped up” KB’s remains. He planned to put them in the dump or toss them elsewhere.
• Slater: PF and KK drove back to the townhome to get PF’s truck.

The two bolded statements are problematic to me. I think KK is lying about some things in her story to LE. She had not been to Nash Ranch yet, but she told cops she was "going back." Then the bit about going to KB's townhome with PF to get PF's pickup truck which KK said was at Nash Ranch backing up to the haystack to get the tote with the body!

JMO it sounds like KK is remembering events with someone other than PF, but she is inserting PF in furtherance of her story. IMO she is still lying.

The Def had not received the 3000+ pages of discovery nor had they viewed the 4.5 hour audiovideo of KK telling her CYA story. CBI Slater was a great witness but he was repeating whatever KK had said. The Pros were not trying to punch holes in her story but rather make it fit the Pros theory. The Def will review every word she actually spoke to LE, and shred KK on the stand.

I have an unfortunate feeling that LE decided early on that PF did it and then looked only for support for their theory. all JMO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I thought the gun incident happened on Christmas Eve, 2017. This was also the time that PF told the Donkey Guy at Cripple Creek that they broke up. I'm am thinking that Kelsey might have expected a marriage to happen by now and PF was using financial problems as an excuse not to tie the knot. Purely speculation and I could be wrong on the date. She may have might safer with Patrick to mean emotionally safer. Perhaps she was already emotionally detaching from him where he could not longer cause her as much anxiety.

I fear we will never know the whole story of their relationship because PF is a liar, and I doubt KB told her parents the bad parts. I never talked bad about my ex to my parents, because I knew that they would hate him. That is not unusual, I don't think.

bbm
Later on the evening of Nov. 22, Cheryl says she received texts from Kelsey’s phone that she got her gun back & felt safe with Frazee. More info on the gun: Slater says it had some sort of laser grip & Frazee took it from her around New Years Day 2017. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth
Why he took the gun? Cheryl told Slater that Kelsey and Frazee had an argument about finances. Kelsey put the gun to her head, according to Slater, through conversation with Cheryl. @KOAA#KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

 

[MassGuy]

The two bolded statements are problematic to me. I think KK is lying about some things in her story to LE. She had not been to Nash Ranch yet, but she told cops she was "going back." Then the bit about going to KB's townhome with PF to get PF's pickup truck which KK said was at Nash Ranch backing up to the haystack to get the tote with the body!

JMO it sounds like KK is remembering events with someone other than PF, but she is inserting PF in furtherance of her story. IMO she is still lying.

The Def had not received the 3000+ pages of discovery nor had they viewed the 4.5 hour audiovideo of KK telling her CYA story. CBI Slater was a great witness but he was repeating whatever KK had said. The Pros were not trying to punch holes in her story but rather make it fit the Pros theory. The Def will review every word she actually spoke to LE, and shred KK on the stand.

I have an unfortunate feeling that LE decided early on that PF did it and then looked only for support for their theory. all JMO

Those were Slater’s words, not KK’s.

It was not a direct quote.

“Going back” to the ranch was referring to PF, as this was his second trip to that location.

He hid her body there, and ultimately went back to retrieve it with KK.

 

[tmar]

This has probably been mentioned but I just realized there were only six days between murder attempt #2 & #3. Did KK drive home to ID after the second attempt, just to turn around and come back a few days later? Dang, when they wanted to murder poor Kelsie, they really were determined. Apparently KK could just leave for CO at the drop of a hat. That’s so much driving....I can’t even imagine.

PF and KK have revealed their shared immorality in KB's murder and plan: these actions now have consequences.
I wonder what happened in their past together/separately to create such a team.
Are there other evil incidents?
I guess perhaps we will be told.
MOO.

 

[Artis]

The two bolded statements are problematic to me. I think KK is lying about some things in her story to LE. She had not been to Nash Ranch yet, but she told cops she was "going back." Then the bit about going to KB's townhome with PF to get PF's pickup truck which KK said was at Nash Ranch backing up to the haystack to get the tote with the body!

JMO it sounds like KK is remembering events with someone other than PF, but she is inserting PF in furtherance of her story. IMO she is still lying.

The Def had not received the 3000+ pages of discovery nor had they viewed the 4.5 hour audiovideo of KK telling her CYA story. CBI Slater was a great witness but he was repeating whatever KK had said. The Pros were not trying to punch holes in her story but rather make it fit the Pros theory. The Def will review every word she actually spoke to LE, and shred KK on the stand.

I have an unfortunate feeling that LE decided early on that PF did it and then looked only for support for their theory. all JMO

Could just be sloppy or imprecise language on #1 and a mistake on #2. This stuff won't be cleared up until we hear the tape and/or video recorded interrogation or the transcript referred to and read at trial. "Went back to" could mean PF went there, stashed the body, and KK went back to retrieve it with him.

 

[k-mac]

The two bolded statements are problematic to me. I think KK is lying about some things in her story to LE. She had not been to Nash Ranch yet, but she told cops she was "going back." Then the bit about going to KB's townhome with PF to get PF's pickup truck which KK said was at Nash Ranch backing up to the haystack to get the tote with the body!

JMO it sounds like KK is remembering events with someone other than PF, but she is inserting PF in furtherance of her story. IMO she is still lying.

The Def had not received the 3000+ pages of discovery nor had they viewed the 4.5 hour audiovideo of KK telling her CYA story. CBI Slater was a great witness but he was repeating whatever KK had said. The Pros were not trying to punch holes in her story but rather make it fit the Pros theory. The Def will review every word she actually spoke to LE, and shred KK on the stand.

I have an unfortunate feeling that LE decided early on that PF did it and then looked only for support for their theory. all JMO

I will feel a whole lot better about the case when we get clarification of kk's whereabouts 19+20+21+22 nov.
the omission is troubling.
why would she have turned off google location on her phone in the days BEFORE and of KBs murder ?????while she is just living life??

wouldn't be that difficult to give your phone to a friend and get them to use it for you.
kk was very happy using burner phones at free will.

dads word and phone pings are not enough for this cynical mind.

I pray kk was in Idaho as she states. we need her to be.
but this evidence so far is not enough,there HAS to be more.imo

 

[TheVic]

why would she have turned off google location on her phone in the days BEFORE and of KBs murder ?????while she is just living life??

It makes me wonder if perhaps PF insisted that KK share her location with him. He seems to be quite the control freak. Maybe she had things to hide from PF and didn't want him knowing her exact location 24/7/365. Instead of disallowing him to see her location, she just turned it off altogether?
In any case, Oh what a tangled web we weave!
I'm sure there are a lot of things we do not know.

Edited to add: Another thought occurred to me. What if she didn't know exactly when the murder was going to take place so she covered all her bases (or so she thought) and turned off location sharing from the first date that it could happen, and then she just sits back and waits for a phone call from PF telling her that she has a mess to clean up in WP.

 

[SandyQLS]

Beginning Thread 39, page 87-88, skipping some in between tweets:

Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #39 *ARREST*

Lance Benzel‏ @lancebenzel 20s20 seconds ago
Kenney told cops she went back to Nash Ranch and helped #PatrickFrazee retrieve #KelseyBerreth’s body from barn.@csgazette

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV20s20 seconds ago
This is all on Nov. 24. After that text, Kenney met Patrick at the Florissant Coneco Gas Station to go to the Nash property (can confirm it’s Nash). Kenney says Frazee backed the truck up to a large red barn.@KOAA #KelseyBerreth#ParrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

Lance Benzel‏ @lancebenzel 26s26 seconds ago
With #KelseyBerreth’s body in Toyota Tacoma, they drive to#PatrickFrazee’s property. There, he used gasoline and oil to burn tote containing #KelseyBerreth’s body and baseball bat that killed her.@csgazette

Alexis Dominguez KRDO‏ @alexisdomm 27s27 seconds ago
Slater: Frazee and Krystal drove back to the townhome to get Frazee's truck. #KelseyBerreth#PatrickFrazee

^^SHRUG^^

If KK's lips are moving...

 

[pcrum12]

TY SO much. The dogs hitting in that area was one of the details that bothered me. All I'd seen was the "out front" part which wasn't enough for me to put it to rest in my mind.

That is one thing that got me. If she wasn't there, how would she know that PF sat the tote by the car? Seems like a weird detail for PF to mention to her (stated in her statement). Which kind of tells me she lied about him telling her that. Of course the cadaver could have hit there because She sat the bags there. Just tells me she lied and as they say, if she lied about that, well....

 

[gitana1]

OMG, he sounds just like my sister's ex. Same pattern of behavior. God bless you for representing anyone going through this hell. It must be very stressful for you. I'll say a prayer for the safety of all of you.

When my sister went to a therapist and started to get this all out, the therapist stopped her, saying she didn't have to go on and he proceeded to tell her exactly what her ex was like and he was right on the money. That's how predictable the behavior is. And, btw, you mentioned that word "enmeshed". Same thing with him. Very interesting factor.

Since 2011. Wow. Same as my sister. It dragged on for years and she never did win. He retained joint custody until they reached 18, giving him plenty of time to do serious damage to everyone. I'm sure if a custody battle ever played out between Kelsey and PF, it would been the same and he would made her life hell.

Yes. It frustrates me but the stress is all on the poor mom who is helpless to get the court system to always listen and protect her child, and on the child who is terrified of angering her dad.

But my experience with these cases is what makes me think this is a custody issue for PF. His body language and facial expressions. The circumstances of his relationships and living situation. The past, mixed descriptions - he's an animal abuser to he's a gentle soul.

All this stuff. I look at him and there's this pretty quick recognition. I recognize his type. Probably a narcissist. But he would never stop fighting. KB didn't stand a chance.

They can fool people for a long time though. People who know them more surface level may swear they're great human beings. And they will fight endlessly for kids they feel are theirs even though they never put those kids first. The kids are supposed to be their mirror and to manage their adult emotions for them.

Sorry your sister and her kids had to go through that hell.

Baby K lost her sweet mother. But I'm glad she won't be raised (hopefully), by her monster of a father.

 

[katydid23]

That is one thing that got me. If she wasn't there, how would she know that PF sat the tote by the car? Seems like a weird detail for PF to mention to her (stated in her statement). Which kind of tells me she lied about him telling her that. Of course the cadaver could have hit there because She sat the bags there. Just tells me she lied and as they say, if she lied about that, well....

I can imagine him telling her that detail. She asked him, for example, how did you get the body out to the truck without being seen?

He may have said something like ' I carried the tote out front, set it down behind the car, and then made sure no one was around, before I moved it to the truck, after locking up....'

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Then the bit about going to KB's townhome with PF to get PF's pickup truck

If indeed a pickup truck of PF stayed at KB's place, it would have been the red one, I think. So it would have been like always and the neighbor would have mentioned nothing extraordinary, when s/he returned from TG-visit.
If so, then the red one of PF's truck couldn't have been the Toyota Tacoma.
The Toyota Tacoma was used for the transport of the tote to Nash Ranch.
That bank video was on Nov. 22. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth#PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney
Two more exhibits from the state. First is a still of him on the surveillance at the bank showing him. Second shows the back of his truck, with a black tote in it. He says they learned that tote played a big role in what happened to Kelsey Berreth. @KOAA#KelseyBerreth
Did the surveillance show a Toyota Tacoma? Which colour?
-.-
Cheryl thought it was Westcliffe but wasn’t sure. Slater says, per that convo, Frazee had what was believed to be a stomach ulcer. Kelsey dropped off Frazee, went to the WP Walmart to get meds & then went back to Florissant to give him the meds. @KOAA#KelseyBerreth

IMO: The night of 21st KB and PF looked after cattle with one of PF's vehicles (Toyota Tacoma?), then KB dropped him off at the ranchette, then went back to the ranchette with the meds from Walmart, then drove home to WP probably, without PF. - So, one car of him stayed at KB and the next day -TG- he had to come with another one of his several cars. It must have been the red pickup truck, which he parked behind KB's 2 cars, when he arrived in WP at noon.
-.-
KB had a Toyota Corolla (green) and a pickup truck (red), standing in her parking lot.

State gives Adams a DVD. He says it’s a recording of a phone call with Patrick Frazee. It was recorded by WPPD officers that made first contact with him. They’re going to play it for us. @KOAA#KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee
“She was sane...” He (PF) says he tried to tell her everyone has bumps in the road, and that she wasn’t suicidal. He says she “just had enough of the arrangement.” @KOAA #KelseyBerreth#PatrickFrazee
Frazee says he took her vehicles back to her place. I couldn’t make out what he said about her gun. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth#PatrickFrazee

I wonder, which vehicles (plural) PF took back and when exactly. How did he manage it, to drive his own car and "vehicles" (in total at least 3) to WP ...
-.-
I think, you are as confused now as I am. Too many cars in the play.

 

[k-mac]

In any case, Oh what a tangled web we weave!
I'm sure there are a lot of things we do not know.

Edited to add: Another thought occurred to me. What if she didn't know exactly when the murder was going to take place so she covered all her bases (or so she thought) and turned off location sharing from the first date that it could happen, and then she just sits back and waits for a phone call from PF telling her that she has a mess to clean up in WP.

kk was expecting that phone call.
she may or may not have been there (unlikely but not impossible) BUT her behaviour was suss.
think she was expecting that phone call over thanks giving.
imo the night before was D DAY.
the plan was suicide with KB'S gun.
worked himself up to do it, took her out to an isolated dark premises and he didn't follow through .
that's why he was in a rage maybe the next day and used the bat?
couldn't shoot her, neighbours would hear.


so much to ponder and so many gaps. :-/

 

[acutename]

I'm a tech tard but I don't think texts are stored in the cloud. Once deleted, they're gone. As for calls, those would be on her phone records. He phone is gone but one thing I have wondered about is how they say nothing is ever really deleted. If a phone still exists, wouldn't deleted texts still exist somewhere in the phone's hard drive or whatever a cell phone computer is called?

I recall from the Tibbetts case that the phone itself might have texts stored, but I think recipients can keep a screenshot (if they chose to) but otherwise the content is lost.

 

[Herat]

The affidavit states that several of her teeth became dislodged and "Frazee was concerned he left a tooth behind..." Page 9, #66

This comment I find interesting

The statement in the affifavit can only be from the interview with KK, her claiming PF told her that. So multiple teeth were dislodged - what did he do with them?

And she claims she picked up the one tooth he mentioned that was in a vent.

I wonder if LE actually found another tooth.

 

[Herat]

bbm
Later on the evening of Nov. 22, Cheryl says she received texts from Kelsey’s phone that she got her gun back & felt safe with Frazee. More info on the gun: Slater says it had some sort of laser grip & Frazee took it from her around New Years Day 2017. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth
Why he took the gun? Cheryl told Slater that Kelsey and Frazee had an argument about finances. Kelsey put the gun to her head, according to Slater, through conversation with Cheryl. @KOAA#KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

New Year’s Day 2017 is Jan 1, 2017. Baby K was born in Oct 2017 so KB would not even be pregnant on Jan 1 2017.

It makes more sense as New Year’s Day 2018 (Jan 1, 2018)

 

[Elley Mae]

The prosecution finished questioning Adams by asking him to look at a surveillance video from a bank that shows Frazee with a baby carrier in the passenger seat of his car. There is a black tote in the vehicle that Adams said investigators would learn played a “significant role” in the disappearance of Kelsey Berreth.

Courtroom updates: Preliminary hearing for Patrick Frazee, who is accused of killing Kelsey Berreth

Late Thanksgiving night, Cheryl Berreth said she received a text message from her daughter saying that Frazee had returned her gun and she had gone shooting that night.

 

[lindaromas]

Be careful what you wish for! That opens the door to all of KB's medical and counseling history since she turned 18?

I have been wondering if medical privilege survives a person who is presumed deceased in CO. This is a state-by-state issue.

You are hoping the Pros uses it against PF - but what if there is something that creates reasonable doubt that she took off and may be alive, or committed suicide? We only have the brief statement about the Nedley Clinic in August 2018 from CBI Agent Slater. Come to think of it, the Pros has already opened that door?

Great points! Hoping the only history is of the bad relationship with PF.

 

[Herat]

The affidavit states that several of her teeth became dislodged and "Frazee was concerned he left a tooth behind..." Page 9, #66

This also speaks to his primitive psychopathic rage. If this is true I posit that he beat her directly across the mouth and likely across her face over the eyes with the bat:

Beating someone across the mouth in effect "silences" them - psychologically you are preventing them from speaking of your crime

Beating someone across the eyes in effect blinds them - psychologically you are preventing them from "seeing" your crime

You see this all the time in ancient statues that are attacked - the eye areas and the mouths are smashed.

 

[susiQ]

if KK has seen the body, why does she say she has not?

@acutename I was responding to another poster that believes she's lying about having 'not' seen the body. Personally, I don't know if she's lying or not on this point but her track record for telling the truth isn't all that great. I can see her lying about something she knows the DA cannot prove either way. MOO