CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #48 *ARREST*

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Warrants reveal cell phone evidence in Frazee case
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“This case has involved highly technical work, including cell phone records and other data that has led to today’s arrest,” said Chief Miles De Young of the Woodland Park Police Department at a Dec. 21 press conference announcing Frazee’s arrest.

[...]

With help from Verizon, police were able to track both of their phone locations on Thanksgiving Day.

A figure developed after securing a warrant for Frazee’s phone and Verizon records for both his and Berreth’s phones showed how police tracked the devices appearing to travel together. Around 5 p.m., the phones both ping off the same tower in Florissant. They were traveling southwest, from Woodland Park, heading toward Frazee’s residence.

cell-phone-figure-1024x576.jpg


The figure above shows their rates of travel, which police were able to calculate when they received information on each phone’s response time to the tower. Berreth’s phone is the arc on the left, and Frazee’s is the larger arc on the right.

“That’s how you get that arc that shows that approximately that cell phone is, you know, a mile, a mile-and-a-half away from that tower,” Pfoff said.

Then, there’s evidence of a plot in text messages police obtained between Berreth and Frazee’s phones.

shared-texts-1024x576.jpg


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Using the location data, police have now determined this was a plan Frazee developed to distance himself as a murder suspect, something Pfoff said can be common in this type of case.

“Based on this, his plan is clearly to show that she’s still alive much later than she was. That’s pretty obvious.”
 
All of you fabulous sleuthers, I don't know how you keep up. I haven't looked at the warrants, yet. Digesting what Chris Watts had to say, ATM. This is really time consuming. I can't imagine following lots of cases. I always have to stop and think about all of the information and I know big stuff must be in these warrants. Q: what was most shocking or enlightening about what has happened?
Enlightening:

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Authorities call 'Witch is dead' post in Patrick Frazee case a 'strange coincidence': report
Has anyone else seen this? Strange. Does PF have a relative or does his sister have the same name as his mother? It says it is not his mother.
I noticed, there are a lot of Frazees (male/female) in CO, for example one with first name E.l.a.i.n.e also, who belongs to RS it seems. Wonder, why E.'s hair color was described so thoroughly? (SW, 2 conspicuous people at PC, link unknown at the moment)
 
The teeth collection is odd to say the least. I wonder if this is a key part of the Molar (Mueller) Investigation. Sorry, had to.

Idk but I’m assuming/picturing that they are fully intact molars, which makes me think they were hopefully properly and legally extracted by a dentist. Otherwise the SW would likely say broken teeth or pieces of teeth IMO. I don’t think they’d be Kelsey’s. It seems like canines or front teeth would be more likely to be knocked out than molars, if indeed a baseball bat was the weapon. And those would likely be fragmented. Uggh, sorry to think these thoughts.

Is it possible one of PF’s siblings is in the dental profession? Still weird to have teeth kept around but maybe these were kept or studied as an educational tool perhaps?

Or perhaps PF is a SK and took them as trophies or to throw off dental records used to identify victims? Pretty absurd but so is this entire case with its many twisted players.
 
Yes, shocking and enlightening at the same time, IMO.
Poor CB did know since the birth of little K and the incident with PF, how dangerous PF seemed to be. Certainly CB had constant fear for her daughter KB and her granddaughter K, until her worst fear came true. Terrible 14 months for CB and for her daughter KB - I'm so sorry.
 
cattle teeth are pretty big
Aging cattle by their teeth. Cattle, like many animals, start life with baby or milk teeth. From about two years of age these teeth are replaced with permanent teeth…
Aging cattle by their teeth - FutureBeef

Cows have three types of teeth: incisors, premolars and molars. Cows can’t bite because they don’t have top front teeth. They may “gum” you, but they can’t bite you. Cattle …
Cows 101: Do Cows Have Teeth? (Video) - Clover Meadows Beef

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Maybe LE should ask a husbandry veterinarian.

I agree with @PrairieWind that LE are not dentists to make such a determination - it's just their notation on the search date.

I doubt PF is a serial killer collecting teeth trophies. I doubt the teeth are KB's - what did he burn the body for then to save the incriminating teeth? Why molars? If they are human adult molar teeth, likely the belong to the F's. Otherwise, PF might be collecting baby calf teeth, or the teeth of animals he hunted like deer. Herbivores have sort of flat teeth, "cow chewing cud", cows, horses, deer, grass eaters.
 
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After all the stupid things KL and PF did during this whole ordeal I’ve begun to wonder if either one of them even had the IQ of an idiot in MOO.
KB was so much smarter and showed it by her job and buying a home and managing to be a wonderful mom to Baby K. Makes you wonder how she stayed with old PF as long as she did. Thank goodness Baby K is in a safe loving stable place with CB and her family. MOO. Sending love and prayers to all KB’s family.❤️
 
Forgive me for not having the link to the correct SW handy but IIRC, SR arises from a search of KKL’s cell number in “public databases”. IMO, and from my own experience, these databases are fraught with errors and/or outdated information. SR could be a previous owner of that number. Those public db’s are also updated when the recipients of spam calls report those calls. (The spammer spoofs names and numbers to make their spam attempts less traceable. (We’ve all received them, I’m sure.) I know if you search my cell several other strange names come up as being associated with it in the various public db’s. And they can be different names in each one. So it’s possible that SR is unrelated to the case or a fictional person entirely. But her name appears in the SW request which ultimately allowed LE to get the true owner of the number from Verizon — KKL.

RS is another another thing entirely. No doubt he is under heavy scrutiny. Remember how little we knew for fact about KKL, her whereabouts and her degree of cooperation until it was all revealed? I’m betting this is similar.

Again, all of the above is MOO. There’s a lot to digest today...
True... In my own experience I think it was back in 2008 my nephew turned 16 and he wanted a cell phone for his birthday. So I went to add him to my cell plan and get him a phone. At that time they had a special for 3 lines so they talked me into a voip "home" phone and by doing that the cost was cheaper than just the 2 lines. Back on point, we started getting collection call on that voip # from sprint for a Michelle. Before you know it those collection calls starting coming to my cell# and even after telling them a million times no Michelle here. To add to this, the voip came in handy for as my mother became more ill I moved her on to our farm in a care takers house same property as us. I just unplugged the voip and took it to that house for mom to use instead of adding another bill. Mom would get the calls for Michelle almost daily. And with her confusion she worried about Michelle getting the messages lol. Bless her heart, she passed a couple years ago this month. I literally got that same collection call about a week ago on my cell#. lol. Tha'ts 11 years later and I haven't had the voip on my account since Mom passed. I just googled that # and my own cell# and both came up as belonging to "Michelle" WTH
 
I am going to need to take vacation days just to catch up.

Sleuthers, what are we thinking about the weirdness that is the tooth collection?
I'm thinking it's only weird because of the context of what happened to KB. PF asking KK to look for a tooth while cleaning. For that reason alone, we are weirded out and somewhat horrified with them finding teeth. I pray they are not KB's. However, under normal circumstances, it's really not that weird. Could just be his and his siblings wisdom teeth.

When I was responsible for clearing out our late son's home, I came across his wisdom teeth in an envelope in his desk. It actually made me smile. I remembered the week he was home from college and I took him too the dental surgeon to have them removed. When he came out, still slightly drugged, he showed me the envelope with a grin. The surgeon had asked him if he'd like to keep them. Four beautiful clean, white specimens. Finding them didn't at all bother me because I knew they were his. Since that time, it has become illegal for dental surgeons to return them to the patient.
 
Either Ma was losing her teeth and saving them or PF picked up what he knocked out, (but why place them in different parts of the house?) with the exception of the one KKL found.


Edit/add They are telling people to save any teeth you may lose or your kids teeth because they can be used for stem cells if needed now. I've started a collection of my grandkids teeth in an old pill box with their names on it.

Saving teeth for stem cells seems like a good idea to me, but somehow I don't see the Frazee family being the *let's save our teeth for stem cells if needed* kind of family. And maybe I shouldn't say this, but I have a feeling that because there were 2 separate envelopes (or bags) of teeth, KB wasn't the first one to be plummeted in the head by PF. MOO
 
I'm thinking it's (only) weird because of the context of what happened to KB. PF asking KK to look for a tooth while cleaning. For that reason (alone), we are weirded out and somewhat horrified with them finding teeth.
^^ This.

Wonder, if PF became angry, when/if KKL threw away the "one tooth inclusive roots", which she found? And apologized the day after?
 
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Extracted Teeth | Questions | Infection Control | Division of Oral Health | CDC

According to CDC, Center for Disease Control and Prevention, a dentist may return a pulled tooth to a dentist. The reason is the pulled tooth “is no longer considered a potential risk hazard to dental health care personnel and is no longer subject to he provisions of Occupational Safety and Health Administration Bloodborne Pathogens Standard (OSHA).” Dated March 2016

More information at the above site.

Many dentists do not let a patient keep their extracted teeth. It may be the dentist own rule for many reasons or possibly a state dental rule/law.

Sill researching. If there is a dental professional in WS, maybe they can ‘chime in’.
 
Like I posted in the last thread, I inherited some teeth from older family members.o_O

These teeth have gold crowns.

I still have them in an envelope, because I think they are gross and I am too embarrassed to deal with them, although I have gone as far as to Google "dental gold".

So IMHO, it's not THAT weird. :cool::D Or, at least, it's not weird if you're not a murderer. :eek:

MOO, and all that.
:):p:D
 
Aging cattle by their teeth. Cattle, like many animals, start life with baby or milk teeth. From about two years of age these teeth are replaced with permanent teeth…
Aging cattle by their teeth - FutureBeef

Cows have three types of teeth: incisors, premolars and molars. Cows can’t bite because they don’t have top front teeth. They may “gum” you, but they can’t bite you. Cattle …
Cows 101: Do Cows Have Teeth? (Video) - Clover Meadows Beef

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Maybe LE should ask a husbandry veterinarian.

I agree with @PrairieWind that LE are not dentists to make such a determination - it's just their notation on the search date.

I doubt PF is a serial killer collecting teeth trophies. I doubt the teeth are KB's - what did he burn the body for then to save the incriminating teeth? Why molars? If they are human adult molar teeth, likely the belong to the F's. Otherwise, PF might be collecting baby calf teeth, or the teeth of animals he hunted like deer. Herbivores have sort of flat teeth, "cow chewing cud", cows, horses, deer, grass eaters.

this shows a back tooth from a cow:

Possible bison tooth? or plain old cow - ArrowHeads.com

huge and "crenelated".....found a sheep jaw on a hike once and the teeth look nothing like a human's. do not think anyone would mistake cow teeth for human teeth. any reason the Fs might have dog teeth?'
 
Warrants reveal cell phone evidence in Frazee case
[...]

“This case has involved highly technical work, including cell phone records and other data that has led to today’s arrest,” said Chief Miles De Young of the Woodland Park Police Department at a Dec. 21 press conference announcing Frazee’s arrest.

[...]

With help from Verizon, police were able to track both of their phone locations on Thanksgiving Day.

A figure developed after securing a warrant for Frazee’s phone and Verizon records for both his and Berreth’s phones showed how police tracked the devices appearing to travel together. Around 5 p.m., the phones both ping off the same tower in Florissant. They were traveling southwest, from Woodland Park, heading toward Frazee’s residence.

cell-phone-figure-1024x576.jpg


The figure above shows their rates of travel, which police were able to calculate when they received information on each phone’s response time to the tower. Berreth’s phone is the arc on the left, and Frazee’s is the larger arc on the right.

“That’s how you get that arc that shows that approximately that cell phone is, you know, a mile, a mile-and-a-half away from that tower,” Pfoff said.

Then, there’s evidence of a plot in text messages police obtained between Berreth and Frazee’s phones.

shared-texts-1024x576.jpg


[...]

Using the location data, police have now determined this was a plan Frazee developed to distance himself as a murder suspect, something Pfoff said can be common in this type of case.

“Based on this, his plan is clearly to show that she’s still alive much later than she was. That’s pretty obvious.”
Gaah! Even in PF's fake response to KB's fake text asking if he even still loved her, he can't help but to puff himself up by saying how "he's stuck by her through all this etc" <paraphrasing>. This defendant is a true psychopath IMO. When I think things can't get any more bizarre, they do.:(
 
PF is and has always been a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I wouldn’t believe anything he said if money was attached to it. Too many lies have been told by him and the rodeo queen. I still think she will get tripped up over something she told LE and the truth about something else will spill out. Anybody especially a nurse that could knowingly be there while a human body is being burned has no feelings whatsoever. Those two deserve one another. MOO
 
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