CO CO - Kelsie Schelling, 21, pregnant, Pueblo, 4 Feb 2013 *Arrest* #2

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Kasia Kerridge @KasiaKerridgeTV 49m
END OF DAY 7: The head Pueblo detective on the case took the stand reviewing Lucas’ story of Kelsie’s disappearance and compared it to surveillance footage. None of it lined up.


[URL='https://twitter.com/KasiaKerridgeTV']Kasia Kerridge @KasiaKerridgeTV 45m
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Kelsie’s car was ultimately found abandoned at St. Mary Corwin hospital, but detectives found it clean, when it appeared dirty in the Walmart footage.[/URL]



Kasia Kerridge [URL='https://twitter.com/KasiaKerridgeTV']@KasiaKerridgeTV [/URL]45m
The night of Kelsie’s disappearance, Lucas’ phone apparently pinged in the area of the southside landfill, although there is no evidence of anyone being there that night.
 
Kasia Kerridge TV 51m ·

SCHELLING/LUCAS DAY 7: Messages were shown today of Lucas texting another girl just days after Kelsie went missing. This girl said she was an old friend of Lucas’ but the texts appeared intimate. This girl testified she received a phone call from Kelsie’s phone the night Kelsie went missing, although the girl and Kelsie did not know each other, and Lucas was their only mutual friend.
The head Pueblo detective on the case took the stand reviewing Lucas’ story of Kelsie’s disappearance and compared it to surveillance footage. None of it lined up.
Lucas told law enforcement in 2013 he and Kelsie went to Parkview Medical Center to confirm her pregnancy, and then went to the southside Walmart where he never saw her again.
Parkview records show Kelsie was never there.
At the time of Kelsie's disappearance, Walmart surveillance shows someone alone dropping off Kelsie’s car and picking it back up the next day.
Footage at a bank in this same time frame also shows someone in Kelsie’s car pulling $400 out of her account. Lucas did later admit to law enforcement that was him.
Kelsie’s car was ultimately found abandoned at St. Mary Corwin hospital, but detectives found it clean, when it appeared dirty in the Walmart footage.
The night of Kelsie’s disappearance Lucas’ phone apparently pinged in the area of the southside landfill, although there is no evidence of anyone being inside of there that night.
 
“We hung out one time,” he said in the interview. “The next time she, like, confessed her love to me.”

Still, Lucas admitted he and Schelling were sexually active. He did not deny she could be pregnant, but said, at the time, he didn’t have proof of the pregnancy.

Lucas described Schelling as “sweet and caring.” He told the questioning officer he would never hurt her. Police learned of some serious inconsistencies with Lucas’s story.

Lead Detective Neal Robinson said Lucas was consistent about that he was the last person to see Schelling alive. Robinson walked jurors through surveillance video that showed major contradictions with nearly all of the statements Lucas gave police leading up to his second interview around a week after when Schelling was last seen.

Lucas claims at 7 a.m. on February 5, the day after she went missing in 2013 that he and Schelling went to Parkview Hospital for a pregnancy check-up. However, there is no record of that. After Parkview Lucas said they went to Walmart, the latest time he said is 9:30.

Surveillance video shows Schelling’s car parking at Walmart just afternoon that day. Lucas said Schelling got out to get chips. On surveillance video, it only shows one person, tall with a red hoodie get out of Schelling’s car for the nearly 18 hours it was parked. ATM video shows that Lucas took out $400 at the Canon National Bank Records, which he doesn’t deny but it’s well after the time he told detectives. Lucas told investigators that the last time he saw Schelling was when she drove off from Walmart.

At the same time, Lucas is at the bank, two texts were sent from Luca’s phone to Schelling’s, and three cell phone towers pink them in a similar area near the Canon National Bank. Robinson testified that for the two days following Schelling’s disappearance, the two phones would consistently ping in similar areas. The phones both following a regular pattern of spending days at Lucas’s mother’s home and nights at his grandmother’s home.

Lucas also sent some flirty texts to another woman, Jessica Reeves, days after Schelling disappeared. Reeves has known Lucas since middle school. The texts took place on February 9 and 10, just days after Schelling was last seen and Lucas hinting he wanted to sleep with Reeves at 4 a.m. on February 5, the day Schelling supposedly disappeared. Reeves missed a call from Schelling’s phone however she never knew Schelling.
KELSIE SCHELLING: Donthe Lucas Murder Trial: Romantic texts, surveillance video doesn't line up with his story to detectives
 
Colette Bordelon
@ColetteBordelon
BREAK: Retired Detective Neal Robinson is still on the stand. He read through lots of text messages from #Lucas' phone to a variety of other numbers from February 5-13, 2013. Many of them appeared to be #Lucas soliciting sex from unknown numbers, who would tell him hourly rates.

Lucas is also communicating with members of #Schelling's family during that time, but the prosecution points out he never tells them about him having her car, leaving it at Walmart, or dropping it at St. Mary-Corwin Medical Center.
@KOAA

We're only a little bit into the cross-examination of Robinson, but the defense has pointed out that investigators never found any traces of blood or the like at #Lucas' mom's or grandmother's homes, or in #Schelling's car.
@KOAA

Still, Robinson would argue that #Schelling's car is a piece of the puzzle when it comes to a crime scene, since the exterior appeared dirty at Walmart, and then clean at St. Mary-Corwin. Heading back inside now.
@KOAA
 
Brandon Thompson @BThompsonNews 1m
Donthe Lucas's text messages with phone numbers the prosecution says are prostitutes where read to the jury to start out day 8 of his trial for the murder and disappearance of Kelsie Schelling. These texts started on February 9, four or five days after Kelsie was last seen,


Brandon Thompson [URL='https://twitter.com/BThompsonNews']@BThompsonNews [/URL]1m
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During all this time, Lucas is having phone and text conversations with Kelsie's mom, Laura Saxton. Lucas calls and texts Kelsie's phone and never gets a reply. Still, Lucas tells Laura that he talked to Kelsie and that she was going to California. He does text Kelsie's phone

Brandon Thompson [URL='https://twitter.com/BThompsonNews']@BThompsonNews [/URL]1m
several times saying the police are involved and "everyone is looking for you worried sick. You have to let us know your alright." Detectives 's phone was powered off, never to be turned on again on Feb. 7 as there as been no activity logged since then.
 
Colette Bordelon
@ColetteBordelon
Quick update: the court dockets have now changed, to reflect March 15 as the tentative last day of the #DontheLucas murder trial. Of course, that is always subject to change.
@KOAA

When we went back inside after the break, the prosecution asked if they could pause the cross-examination of retired Detective Robinson, so they could squeeze in a witness quickly who needed to catch a flight. That witness was Christopher Raybon.
@KOAA

He's the apparent "Chris" that #Lucas had referenced before in this trial. #Lucas alleged "Chris" was #Schelling's ex-boyfriend from California, who he claims she "threatened" to get back together with.
@KOAA

Raybon said he and #Schelling dated for a couple of months while she was in California in 2012, but then when she moved back to Colorado, their contact was limited. He only remembers a few text message conversations between the two after her move. "It wasn't like, often."
@KOAA

Raybon said he did not contact #Schelling and ask her to move back to California in January or February of 2013. They had not rekindled their romance, and to his knowledge, #Schelling never moved back to #California.
@KOAA
 
Colette Bordelon @ColetteBordelon 22m
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Raybon said he and #Schelling dated for a couple of months while she was in California in 2012, but then when she moved back to Colorado, their contact was limited. He only remembers a few text message conversations between the two after her move. "It wasn't like, often." @KOAA

Colette Bordelon @ColetteBordelon 20m
Raybon said he did not contact #Schelling and ask her to move back to California in January or February of 2013. They had not rekindled their romance, and to his knowledge, #Schelling never moved back to #California. @KOAA
 
Kasia Kerridge [URL='https://twitter.com/KasiaKerridgeTV']@KasiaKerridgeTV [/URL]6m
SCHELLING/LUCAS DAY 8: The head Pueblo detective on Kelsie’s case continued this morning going over Lucas’ texts. Texts showed Lucas appeared to contact multiple unknown numbers attempting to solicit sex days after Kelsie’s disappearance.


Kasia Kerridge [URL='https://twitter.com/KasiaKerridgeTV']@KasiaKerridgeTV [/URL]5m
During this same time frame, Kelsie’s family was contacting Lucas about her disappearance. Lucas never mentioned to Kelsie’s family had her car or pulled money out of her account. But, he did try and contact Kelsie's phone multiple times days after she went missing.


Kasia Kerridge [URL='https://twitter.com/KasiaKerridgeTV']@KasiaKerridgeTV [/URL]4m
Defense continues to make the same point: no body, no crime scene, no weapon, etc. The defense also suggested PPD’s investigation may have been flawed.
 
Brandon Thompson [URL='https://twitter.com/BThompsonNews']@BThompsonNews [/URL]24m
Lucas's Defense team got their chance to address these texts, and a bunch of evidence after the break in cross examination. On the texts, it was brief. Defense asked if detectives ever conatacted or followed up on them, Detective Robinson says "I didn't see how it was relevant


Brandon Thompson [URL='https://twitter.com/BThompsonNews']@BThompsonNews [/URL]24m
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Raybon dates Kelsie for a few months in California. Part of Lucas's statements to law enforcement in the week after Kelsie went missing, mentioned that Kelsie wanted to go to California to get her old job and get back with Raybon. Raybon testified that, outside of a few texts,


Brandon Thompson [URL='https://twitter.com/BThompsonNews']@BThompsonNews [/URL]24m
he and Kelsie never communicated after she moved from California.
 
Carl Winder KOAA [URL='https://twitter.com/CWinderKOAA']@CWinderKOAA [/URL]50m
TRIAL BREAK: I took over for @ColetteBordelon
for a little bit. Some of the key points, Donthe Lucas’ attorney brought up a text message that Lucas sent to possibly a woman who has a child with Lucas, it was brought up briefly, no more context was added to this. @KOAA

Carl Winder KOAA [URL='https://twitter.com/CWinderKOAA']@CWinderKOAA [/URL]50m
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Lucas’ attorney also mentioned how Lucas was texting Schelling, after her disappearance, trying to reach out to her and being concerned. @KOAA

Carl Winder KOAA [URL='https://twitter.com/CWinderKOAA']@CWinderKOAA [/URL]50m
Detective Neil Robinson, who is still on the stand, says the private investigators and lawsuits didn’t interfere with the Schelling investigation. @KOAA
 
Brandon Thompson @BThompsonNews 2m
In the prosecutions redirect questioning of Robinson, they reestablished that Lucas was the last person to use Kelsie's car, last person to use her bank card and, based on the investigation, the last person to see Kelsie. Then Lucas's Grandmother Vivian Lucas was called. The 94-


Brandon Thompson @BThompsonNews 1m
year-old's testimony was quick remembering Donthe doing something around 4 am, but couldn't remember exactly. After Vivian was dismissed, prosecutors playd the reorded interview Vivian gave with Denver Police on Feb 11, 2013. In that time, Vivian recalls seeing Donthe in the


Brandon Thompson [URL='https://twitter.com/BThompsonNews']@BThompsonNews [/URL]1m
garage at 4 am. She didn't see exactly what Lucas was doing at that time.
 
Colette Bordelon [URL='https://twitter.com/ColetteBordelon']@ColetteBordelon [/URL]4m
Heading back inside the courtroom now. I'll be live on @KOAA at 5 & 6 to discuss what else we hear and see today. Stay tuned.

Colette Bordelon [URL='https://twitter.com/ColetteBordelon']@ColetteBordelon [/URL]5m
Direct quote from Vivian Lucas on the phone call: "I just got up at 4 o'clock in the morning and went to go to the bathroom. And when I came in my grandson was coming in the garage. And I said, what are you doing up so early?" @KOAA

Colette Bordelon [URL='https://twitter.com/ColetteBordelon']@ColetteBordelon [/URL]7m
BREAK: #DontheLucas' grandmother, Vivian Lucas, took the stand. We heard a phone call recorded between her and Detective Ted Binet on February 11, where she tells him she saw her grandson coming into her house through the garage around 4 a.m. on February 5, 2013. @KOAA
 
Weird case, I was hoping for an orchestra of forensic evidence and all the prosecution has is a jail house snitch that provided testimony that can't be verified and some flirty texts Lucas made after Schelling went missing. Id be surprised if they get a guilty verdict if they cant provide some decent evidence. Just as expected LE probably got bullied in to that court room by lawsuits from the Schelling family.
 
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Kasia Kerridge @KasiaKerridgeTV 38m
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Prosecution ended their hours-long testimony with the lead Pueblo detective, saying Lucas: -is the last known person to see Kelsie alive -made the last transaction in Kelsie’s bank account -was the last person in possession of Kelsie’s car

Kasia Kerridge @KasiaKerridgeTV 33m
Lucas' 94-year-old grandmother took the stand since Lucas lived in her home during Kelsie’s disappearance. She reported to police in 2013 she saw Lucas coming in from her garage the night Kelsie disappeared. She said Lucas told her he was "looking for something."
 
Topppps said:
Weird case, I was hoping for an orchestra of forensic evidence and all the prosecution has is a jail house snitch that provided testimony that can't be verified and some flirty texts Lucas made after Schelling went missing. Id be surprised if they get a guilty verdict if they cant provide some decent evidence. Just as expected LE probably got bullied in to that court room by lawsuits from the Schelling family.
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Donthe Lucas is the only person who would be motivated to harm Kelsie, due to their volatile relationship, her pregnancy, and his access to her money and property.

An orchestra of forensic evidence in a no body case -- not likely.
LE bullied over a civil lawsuit that was dismissed by the court -- not likely.

Lucas' lies and inconsistent accounts of when/where he last saw the victim, keeping her only form of transportation to/from Pueblo, the defendant's grandmother's testimony on Lucas behavior the night Keslie disappeared, the jailhouse snitch, and more are painting a strong picture beyond a reasonable doubt that Lucas is responsible for disappearing Kelsie.

MOO
 
Colette Bordelon
@ColetteBordelon

#Lucas’ mom, Sara Lucas, took the witness stand as expected today. Both she and her son’s DNA were found in #Schelling’s car. The defense says it would be normal to find Lucas’ DNA in the car, since he used it often. Sara Lucas says she had driven the car as well.
@KOAA

We heard snippets of a recorded phone call between Sara Lucas and #Denver Detective Ted Binet, that she said she didn’t remember. Here comes the verbatim of the three audio clips:
@KOAA

Sara Lucas was crying in the car with her mom, Vivian Lucas, and she “finally told her, well, Kelsie says she’s pregnant, she’s in your house (Vivian’s). Donthe’s acting weird, I don’t know.”
@KOAA

Sara Lucas: “Like I said, I got a text message from her (#Schelling) and I had put her in a private box because my son didn’t want her talking to me.” The “private box” is something that hid an ultrasound picture from Schelling, which she sent to Sara Lucas.
@KOAA

When asked if Sara Lucas saw #Schelling at Vivian Lucas’ home on the morning of February 5: “No, I didn’t see her. Like I said, he (#DontheLucas) was in the living room and she (#KelsieSchelling) was in the room.” This quote makes it sound as though #Schelling was at the house.
 
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Seattle1 said:
Donthe Lucas is the only person who would be motivated to harm Kelsie, due to their volatile relationship, her pregnancy, and his access to her money and property.

An orchestra of forensic evidence in a no body case -- not likely.
LE bullied over a civil lawsuit that was dismissed by the court -- not likely.

Lucas' lies and inconsistent accounts of when/where he last saw the victim, keeping her only form of transportation to/from Pueblo, the defendant's grandmother's testimony on Lucas behavior the night Keslie disappeared, the jailhouse snitch, and more are painting a strong picture beyond a reasonable doubt that Lucas is responsible for disappearing Kelsie.

MOO
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No body cases have strong forensic evidence all the time, infact usually there is more evidence in a no body case. Read the arrest warrant of Fotis Dulos, they had witness that saw him going to her house, surveillance documented him throw evidence, a big blood stand that proved Jennifer was dead. A grave that was dug. They showed how he killed her with blood spatter analysis. They had 1. Evidence showing there was a violent encounter and she was dead. 2. Fotis driving off with Jennifer in his truck in a bag. 3. Video of him disposing evidence. 4. Blood splatter indicating he used a knife. 5. A witness that had seen the knife in the garbage.

Here we have: 1. we dont have any forensic evidence that proves Kelsey is dead 2. No clue how she died 3. no idea what the murder weapon is.

The jury is just supposed to fill in all these gaps because he was the last person to see her and a jail house snitch made a claim that Lucas' guilty that cant be verified.
 
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