CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #1

[margarita25]

Qmfr:

Thanks again FHG and Forager, my very very rough post in progress, have to run, so marking spot

Shooting #1
CR, occurred on a Wednesday (April 22)
11:15 PM--night
Victim was a driving a car.
Shots likely fired from vehicle, per victim.
2 shots
Exit ramp
East Harmony Road onto the on-ramp to southbound I-25

Shooting #2/ JJ:
Occurred on a Monday (May 18th)
(how many days later)
at 10 AM-morning
Victim was driving a bicycle.*
Near the intersection of County Road 15 and County Road 72
Fired from vehicle? Unknown
2 shots
Rural road / shoulder? (Need to go back...)

Looking at this, its almost like opposite crimes---one in the night, one in the day, one victim in a car, one victim on a bike, one on a ramp, one more rural, one female, one male...


Perp's message? Nobody is safe. And there is no pattern. What's he going to do next? Shoot a pedestrian?

They'll get him. Jmo

 

[margarita25]

:stormingmad:

 

[margarita25]

:drink:

 

[margarita25]

Qmfr:

I hope this shooter is apprehended before more people are hurt!

Looking back, came across this post----
Well, that didn't happen...a fatal incident followed. John Jacoby died. Shot on his bicycle.

How many more people will die before they apprehend the shooter(s)?

 

[margarita25]

Grateful to you magz, real nice to be here with you.

Rsbm.

Ditto. Thanks again.

:grouphug:

 

[margarita25]

(Young punk who plays too many violent video games...that's my profile of the perp for the moment. Jmo. )

 

[SugarQueen]

We know victim # 2 was found at 10:00 am BUT do we have any idea when he was last seen alive? Could his shooting have been the night before/ overnight?

 

[Forager]

Qmfr:



Looking at this, its almost like opposite crimes---one in the night, one in the day, one victim in a car, one victim on a bike, one on a ramp, one more rural, one female, one male...


Perp's message? Nobody is safe. And there is no pattern. What's he going to do next? Shoot a pedestrian?

They'll get him. Jmo

I had been imagining Jacoby spotting the shooter(s) near Highway 87 (where almost all of the other shootings had occurred) or saw them on the east-west East Harmony / Rd. 38 / Rd 74 road - the road from which Cori's 87 on-ramp to Highway 87 (aka I25) fed. It passes just above where he was found. They spot him, and maybe chase him. (His body was found 3.5 miles east of Hwy 87/I25 out of the usual pattern). My scantly supported speculation, of course.

 

[margarita25]

We know victim # 2 was found at 10:00 am BUT do we have any idea when he was last seen alive? Could his shooting have been the night before/ overnight?

I had imagining Jacoby spotting the shooter(s) near Highway 87 (where almost all of the other shootings had occurred) or saw them on the east-west East Harmony / Rd. 38 / Rd 74 road - the road into which Cori's 87 exit ramp fed. It passes just above where he was found. They spot him, and maybe chase him. (His body was found 3.5 miles east of Hwy 87 out of the usual pattern). My scantly supported speculation, of course.

Interesting...

 

[margarita25]

(Brainstorming: first known victim was female, second victim male---perp recently feeling jolted?)

 

[margarita25]

Video from May 21 o ABC, not sure if already posted, posting for referene:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/fbi-investigating-serial-shooter-colorado-31202626

 

[FindHG]

Two Shooting Linked by Evidence, as per LE today.

1. 11:15 pm, Wed, April 22, woman shot in the neck, two shots taken, survived
   
   A. Description: of shooting by the survivor
   
   Woman shot in the neck while driving home from work
   
   "later than usual..." "merging onto I 25 when a car pulled up next to me..." "I thought they actually hit my car with their car..." "But my window shattered, and then at that point, I thought they threw something in my car..." "I called 911..."
   
   ​
   
   B. Location:
   On Ramp Southbound I 25 - She turned from East Harmony Road, onto the ramp going southbound on I 25. Shot just as she was merging onto the highway.​
   
   
   [*] 10:00 am, Mon, May 18, man, cyclist, found at this time, shot twice, fatally
   
   A. Description: No witnesses so far.
   
   B. Location
   Near the intersection of County Road 15 and County Road 72
   ​

CO Possible Serial Shooter Case Map here:
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magz, (brainstorming) so first known victim, may have been opportunity, a time with cover of darkness, probably knowing a pre-selected escape route is clear, minimized risk, victim vulnerable, probably counting on not being followed or shot back. Second victim, wants a sure kill, so same vulnerable, no glass in between this time, cannot be chased, similar location consideration as Forager mentions up thread, so maybe again, of opportunity, minimized risk of the escape route, so maybe also a drive-by?

I noticed both locations are near Windsor High School. Interestingly, in the cyclist's shooting, there's a dirt road version of Rt 15 that loops back on, there's another dirt road leading to a work site to the west of it. That what could have been a good perch for before or after to the west of where he was found. There's a bike shop not too far away too, if I'm looking at things correctly, maybe something or somebody in the past may have stood out to them.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4869001,-104.9276413,3251a,20y,40.84t/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

 

[katydid23]

Qmfr:



Looking at this, its almost like opposite crimes---one in the night, one in the day, one victim in a car, one victim on a bike, one on a ramp, one more rural, one female, one male...


Perp's message? Nobody is safe. And there is no pattern. What's he going to do next? Shoot a pedestrian?

They'll get him. Jmo

That is much like the East Coast sniper duo acted. They changed their MO all of the time, crossed various state lines, shot at drivers, pedestrians, various races and genders and ages...

 

[margarita25]

That is much like the East Coast sniper duo acted. They changed their MO all of the time, crossed various state lines, shot at drivers, pedestrians, various races and genders and ages...

Indeed!

 

[KaaBoom]

The articles today are the first I have seen that indicate that two shots were fired at the woman who was injured.

If we only include the two victims who were shot, the culprit doesn't need a car. Both sites are in easy walking or biking distance from Timnath or one of the farms or small developments in the area. Someone traveling this way is not limited to the roads. You can for example walk from Timnath to near the site of the Jacoby murder by following the railroad tracks.

If one or more of the window breaking incidents are included, it is a good indication that the culprit is traveling by car.

Yes, it's possible that the two incidents could have been carried out without use of a car, but I think highly unlikely. The distance is 4.6 miles (25 min. bike, 1 hr. 30 min. walking), on flat open fields. Plus the perpetrator would have to have a way of concealing his weapon. Not easy when walking or riding a bike in flat open space. Even if he was walking on the railroad tracks, the person could have been seen from near by roads. Which the police were almost certainly canvassing within 30 min. of either incident.

I'm pretty sure that if someone had been walking or biking away from either of those incidents, the police would have stopped and questioned them. At least to find out if they had seen anything suspicious. OTOH someone in a car could have been well out of the area, before police were even alerted.

 

[KaaBoom]

Lead the charge Margarita!

I've done a little work on the map to make it easier to focus on what interests you at a given time. All of the incidents in which someone has been killed or wounded are now in their own layer. There are other layers for the shattered window incidents, shooting ranges, and local LE offices. The various layers show up as subsections of the list of features on the left of the screen. You can make all of the features in a particular layer show or hide themselves by clicking on the little check marks next to the layer names.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z_XRj_yu3Dto.kzPJOvnNDQio

Assuming that the guy is smart enough not to shoot at people in his own neighborhood to avoid giving away his location, most of the locations on the map could have been easily reached within a 20 - 50 minute drive of Greeley. Same could be said for Longmont.

Also the incidents seem to be concentrated along I-25 and I-76. Though not all the victims were actually driving on the interstate. Maybe the perpetrator is choosing locations near the interstate to be able to make a quick get away.

 

[KaaBoom]

(Yeah, so I think this dirtbag is in a car, not a sniper on foot? Which imo means this guy is not necessarily a trained sniper ? Brainstorming etc)

I'm sorry, I don't get your logic. A trained sniper can't drive a car, or even maybe shoot from a car?

 

[Forager]

Assuming that the guy is smart enough not to shoot at people in his own neighborhood to avoid giving away his location, most of the locations on the map could have been easily reached within a 20 - 50 minute drive of Greeley. Same could be said for Longmont.

Also the incidents seem to be concentrated along I-25 and I-76. Though not all the victims were actually driving on the interstate. Maybe the perpetrator is choosing locations near the interstate to be able to make a quick get away.

In the movies, the head cases commit their first offenses close to home and only later work on trying to shift focus by committing them elsewhere. Not sure how it works in real life.

My bet is that the Pain in the Neck shooter(s) prefer I25 because it gives them long stretches of straight road without stop lights. That gives them time they need to pick their target, position themselves, aim, fire and melt back into traffic without having to worry about turning or stopping. I confess that I don't know if there are other highways nearby that would also fit that straight-and-stopless profile.

 

[KaaBoom]

Qmfr:



Looking at this, its almost like opposite crimes---one in the night, one in the day, one victim in a car, one victim on a bike, one on a ramp, one more rural, one female, one male...


Perp's message? Nobody is safe. And there is no pattern. What's he going to do next? Shoot a pedestrian?

They'll get him. Jmo

I think the person is just shooting at people. It's just opportunity, the first person to come along in an isolated area, motorist, bicyclist, pedestrian, whoever makes no difference. He did kind of step it up when he shot the cyclist though. Shooting at cars is kind of impersonal. The shooter has no idea who might be in a car, and even if the shot hits the car, chances are it won't hit the driver or passengers. But shooting at a cyclist, that is just premeditated murder. This guy is a mass-murder, or wants to be.

 

[KaaBoom]

In the movies, the head cases commit their first offenses close to home and only later work on trying to shift focus by committing them elsewhere. Not sure how it works in real life.

My bet is that the Pain in the Neck shooter(s) prefer I25 because it gives them long stretches of straight road without stop lights. That gives them time they need to pick their target, position themselves, aim, fire and melt back into traffic without having to worry about turning or stopping. I confess that I don't know if there are other highways nearby that would also fit that straight-and-stopless profile.

I think how it is done in the movies is totally irrelevant, unless maybe the shooter is a copy cat of something in a movie.

There are lots of straight roads in the area (US-34, US-85, US-287, plus state highways) but only I-25 would offer a stopless getaway. Plus a 75 mph speed limit on I-25 instead of 45-55 mph on other roads.