CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #3

[Forager]

That was a frank, thoughtful and helpful post about the direction of the thread and I particularly admired your saying it on thread. I took your point about speaking for yourself, but I think I'll try to follow your lead on sticking with the basics on the thread. I worry that it may sputter, but the alternative seems to be to give one another palpitations. And maybe myglo. (I was boring myself with some of the posts I made about patterns of road shootings.) And probably pointlessly.

That said, I think our forays into considerations of a terrorist angle were reasonable, responsible, legitimate and healthy. I understand that the authorities may prefer to keep tight lipped, and that may even be the right thing for them to do, but we aren't the authorities. It's generally right and good for the public, the press, and social media to be talking and thinking about what's in the public domain. I trust that I don't have to caveat that, in the USA, with an IMO. The founding fathers knew that government works better when the public takes an interest.

When it comes to terrorism, there's always the risk that the discussion will degrade into race baiting and fear mongering. We've already seen some of that in reaction to the FBI elicitation alert. But not on our thread. And there's the risk of muddying public understand with BS. But again, not us. The authorities should be so lucky as to have a social media outlet as responsible and well considered as our thread. And they could sure use it sometimes. But I'll try to restrict my tisking to matters involving road debris and the like. I enjoy that too, and it is much easier and more comfortable.

 

[SugarQueen]

Well said Forager! If we go back to basics that brings us to the pickup truck again. I may have some time tonight to do some online searching on that. Maybe we'll get lucky and the driver/owner was holding onto it until the heat died down. Since it's probably been repainted I'll search by the years given, and anything newly painted, or restored.
It's a long shot but I don't know what else to do at this point.

 

[Foxfire]

(Insert rant, here it comes:

This stuff is getting too crazy for me...if they don't know then who knows...or in other words they obviously just don't want to talk about it, imo, which is fine. It has taken time to learn that this is obviously the way they are doing things in this case, the more classified the better (in contrast to other more public approaches we see in other cases here). In this case, if they have something to release, then I guess they'll get around to releasing it when they see fit. "Preserving the integrity of the investigation"...

Everything is JMO...I know Foxfire is probably going to bust my balls big time on this! Feel free anyone to disagree! I think I'm having a moment...that last quote about HS and the FBI really set me off, didn't it? :facepalm: ...Sorry about that, I'm obviously quite frustrated, lol...I'm definitely not telling anyone else what to post or not, you guys rock, I'm just saying me personally...Yall keep doing your thing!)

(Sorry for the book!!)

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Margarita25, I would never do that and ironically agree with virtually everything you said.. Imo, it is time to lay back, resume our lives to a semblance of normalcy, and let the investigation/s run their course.
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[Hatfield]

I agree too with most everything that was recently posted by our posters. And I agree with the kudos to all of us here.

My only complaint would be to the HS guy and the way he responded publicly. Before he stated anything publicly it seems he should have done some research and dig into those reports and get some information on where they originated from. Like do some serious homework and then publicly come out and provide his response. Those reports and warnings had to originate somewhere and his office is the responsible office for such things. And they are very serious in nature.

So instead of coming out and saying he doesnt know a thing about them then why didnt he dig into them first and find out the source of the information and then he would have been able to have a reply that would have some weight to it. Whether they were real reports or fake reports.

The way I took his reply was he did not do anything at all and just said "Never heard about it".

Geeee. That really helps.
Like WTH? So, is he going to dig into them and try to find out? I took his reply as NO he is not going to dig into them and do anything about them. They may be true or not true but he isnt going to do anything more to find out either way.

Am I surprised? Nah, not really. It sounds like a typical cushy government job for someone that is probably getting paid a lot of money to do nothing.
Am I mad? Yeah, somewhat, but not surprised because we have all seen this type of thing before with certain government officials.

The feeling of being powerless to get them to change and take things more seriously and do their actual job is what is frustrating. Nobody is in a position to make things better. Only they can do that. Or if media gets as outraged as the public does to these sorts of things. Then maybe that will wake someone up.

We had a case here in my state recently where because of an unrelated event the microscope came down on some local LE. It forced their own management to look at themselves and about 3 high level LE were fired. If that event had not happened, those same 3 people would have done their lousy job of doing nothing for the department and nobody would blink an eye.

It would be nice if someday there was more accountability on paid government officials to ensure they at least do the job they were hired for.

Ending rant....LOL

I do agree with others here that until we have more specifics of something to tie directly to the cases of the people shootings and car window shootings, we will just have to keep a close eye out for it. Because we probably cannot rely on anyone else to do that for us.

I am happy the car window shatterings and random murders have quieted down but I am still very much concerned about mutliple shooters running around.

Proceed with caution is probably our best advice.

 

[Forager]

Whitney Wild, KUSA & NBC 9 NEWS,
Shooting incidents up in Colorado national forests



Douglas County deputies are still looking for the person who shot and killed Glenn Martin in the Pike and San Isabel National Forests in July. "The public's help in this case is extremely important... ."

US Forest Service data collected by our partners at USA Today shows that from 2010 to 2014, citations, warnings and reports of people shooting guns improperly in Colorado's forests more than tripled.

 

[searchinGirl]

Whitney Wild, KUSA & NBC 9 NEWS,
Shooting incidents up in Colorado national forests

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Douglas County deputies are still looking for the person who shot and killed Glenn Martin in the Pike and San Isabel National Forests in July. "The public's help in this case is extremely important... ."

US Forest Service data collected by our partners at USA Today shows that from 2010 to 2014, citations, warnings and reports of people shooting guns improperly in Colorado's forests more than tripled.

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I think it's interesting how 9news is reporting this story as though it's an issue they originally researched as a result of the shooting of Glen Martin last month when the Denver Post published this story a full year and a day before he was killed... http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...onal-shooting-limits-colorado?source=infinite

"Citing increased danger in a heavily populated region, the U.S. Forest Service is floating a plan to restrict recreational shooting to designated areas in a 625-square-mile swath of land that covers most of Colorado's Front Range foothills and Interstate 70 corridor."

Earlier this year in Northern Colorado, Larimer, Boulder, Gilpin and Clear Creek Counties set up this organization https://www.facebook.com/SportShootingPartners and have been holding public meetings and seeking public comments on areas in the forest they find suitable for recreational sport shooting...or not...this is a map showing potential locations...
http://a123.g.akamai.net/7/123/1155....com/11558/www/nepa/101606_FSPLT3_2548398.pdf

Perhaps this is related to our shooter or perhaps not, but this appears to be a "hot button issue" that has been escalating for over a year now, getting public exposure around the time the shootings started in Northern Colorado...the first public meeting was "virtual" and held on April 13, 2015 ...the most recent was last Thursday...the comment period, initially scheduled to end yesterday, has been extended for another month... and from the comments I've read so far, most of them overwhelmingly want dispersed shooting banned entirely from the forests...could this make anyone want to take up shooting people and windows on our roads and highways?

 

[Hatfield]

I think it's interesting how 9news is reporting this story as though it's an issue they originally researched as a result of the shooting of Glen Martin last month when the Denver Post published this story a full year and a day before he was killed... http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...onal-shooting-limits-colorado?source=infinite

"Citing increased danger in a heavily populated region, the U.S. Forest Service is floating a plan to restrict recreational shooting to designated areas in a 625-square-mile swath of land that covers most of Colorado's Front Range foothills and Interstate 70 corridor."

Earlier this year in Northern Colorado, Larimer, Boulder, Gilpin and Clear Creek Counties set up this organization https://www.facebook.com/SportShootingPartners and have been holding public meetings and seeking public comments on areas in the forest they find suitable for recreational sport shooting...or not...this is a map showing potential locations...
http://a123.g.akamai.net/7/123/1155....com/11558/www/nepa/101606_FSPLT3_2548398.pdf

Perhaps this is related to our shooter or perhaps not, but this appears to be a "hot button issue" that has been escalating for over a year now, getting public exposure around the time the shootings started in Northern Colorado...the first public meeting was "virtual" and held on April 13, 2015 ...the most recent was last Thursday...the comment period, initially scheduled to end yesterday, has been extended for another month... and from the comments I've read so far, most of them overwhelmingly want dispersed shooting banned entirely from the forests...could this make anyone want to take up shooting people and windows on our roads and highways?

Its a good question and thought but IMO I don't think it would because even gun enthusiasts understand that having designated areas is usually a good thing. Most just want to know what area has permission given and know what areas are ok to be able to shoot firearms.

If they are planning on reducing the areas to smaller areas then people would tend to be upset but I don't think they would go as far as shooting other people over it. Because it goes against their cause. Random shootings just make people madder at guns in general.

So to understand the motive we have to remember that the shooter would know that it would make people madder at guns in general. So I think that eliminates the people that would be upset at reducing areas where they could shoot.

I think the motive would tie in to someone who is mad at the people in general. The whole general population. Someone who hates life the way it is. Doesn't care about people in the state. Wants to make them afraid and think they are next.

That doesn't help much to narrow down who it could be because it could be someone who is sick minded and just is crazy or it could be someone who is against the US like we talked before about.

Or even young gang type people just going around having "fun" in their minds.

It does seem to be too focused though to be just random gang kids or teenagers out trying out their new gun or something along those lines.

The focus of the shooter or shooters seems to have a focus of making people afraid that they will be next. They are mad at everyone.

All JMO

ETA: I hadn't thought if you meant maybe the opposite where the people opposing guns in the forests could be the shooter to maybe get their way. Now, that is an idea. But not sure they would risk their freedom over it. Plus they probably don't like guns or have the skill to pull off the type of selective and accurate shootings we have seen.

So I have to eliminate that angle too because the shooter(s) is too good. Too experienced with a gun to be someone that does not like guns.
again JMO of course

 

[Montjoy]

Its a good question and thought but IMO I don't think it would because even gun enthusiasts understand that having designated areas is usually a good thing. Most just want to know what area has permission given and know what areas are ok to be able to shoot firearms.

If they are planning on reducing the areas to smaller areas then people would tend to be upset but I don't think they would go as far as shooting other people over it. Because it goes against their cause. Random shootings just make people madder at guns in general.

Perhaps this is true 'in general', but are you really trying to suggest that there are no unbalanced/mentally ill gun enthusiasts? The 'Crimes in the News' and the 'Rampage Killing' subforums here are full of stories about gun enthusiasts.

 

[Hatfield]

Perhaps this is true 'in general', but are you really trying to suggest that there are no unbalanced/mentally ill gun enthusiasts? The 'Crimes in the News' and the 'Rampage Killing' subforums here are full of stories about gun enthusiasts.

I never said that there weren't. I think you may have missed the point.

The post I replied to was about the potential loss of public shooting areas. If gun enthusiasts wanted to prevent that, I dont think they would use random shootings to do it because it would just make people more madder at guns and if anything would give more reason to shut down available shooting areas.

Which is what I think I said here in this part....

"If they are planning on reducing the areas to smaller areas then people would tend to be upset but I don't think they would go as far as shooting other people over it. Because it goes against their cause. Random shootings just make people madder at guns in general ".

 

[Montjoy]

I never said that there weren't. I think you may have missed the point.

The post I replied to was about the potential loss of public shooting areas. If gun enthusiasts wanted to prevent that, I dont think they would use random shootings to do it because it would just make people more madder at guns and if anything would give more reason to shut down available shooting areas.

Which is what I think I said here in this part....

"If they are planning on reducing the areas to smaller areas then people would tend to be upset but I don't think they would go as far as shooting other people over it. Because it goes against their cause. Random shootings just make people madder at guns in general ".

No, I didn't miss your point at all. I would just submit that people who are inclined to commit random shootings are not at all known for their rationality and group-oriented behavior. If a gun enthusiast wants to shoot people because he is so mad, he's not thinking about any consequences. What's more, someone who would commit a random shooting doesn't give a toss about where the government allows or forbids him to shoot. He thinks that his second amendment rights are absolute, and that any use of his gun is righteous.

 

[Hatfield]

No, I didn't miss your point at all. I would just submit that people who are inclined to commit random shootings are not at all known for their rationality and group-oriented behavior. If a gun enthusiast wants to shoot people because he is so mad, he's not thinking about any consequences. What's more, someone who would commit a random shooting doesn't give a toss about where the government allows or forbids him to shoot. He thinks that his second amendment rights are absolute, and that any use of his gun is righteous.

I just don't see someone who is either for or against that "plan to restrict recreational shooting to designated areas" getting mad enough about that issue to kill 2 people and shoot up numbers of vehicles on I-25. But stranger things have happened so you never know.

 

[SugarQueen]

IIRC, NS has a court date today. Hopefully some media will do a follow up story.

 

[Forager]

IIRC, NS has a court date today. Hopefully some media will do a follow up story.

Thanks for keeping an eye out for us, SugarQueen. That court date was news to me, but whoever is running the Facebook page about him, linked here, had an post a few hours ago reporting it. He apparently looked more wholesome than his earlier pictures, was well behaved, and will be arraigned on September 21st, 2015 with public access to the proceedings allowed.

 

[Forager]

You may recall a 6/23/15 story by Eric Ortiz of NBC News Denver in which he reported a 4/25/15 incident in which Donna Sharp's car was hit on I-25 by something that left a deep pock mark in her door frame. I'd gotten in touch with her, and she had been good enough to send us some photos and additional detail. She later sent an update (see post #984 of 7/24/15)in which she wrote:

"The Larimer County investigator closed my case and said it was road debris. He even went so far to tell me that behind my window was not metal but plastic."

I recently received a further follow-up note from her in which she included the following:

"I went to the Nissan experts who are in charge of parts. They saw the photos and immediately said 'wow you were shot, looks like shape of bullet to everyone'. And they confirmed what i was sure of anyway, that the piece behind the window is chrome aluminum, and it took a very hard metal hit to make that impression."

She also wrote that "a customer of our store told me that her female relative had her car window blown out of her driver side last year, while driving on the same area where my car was hit, I-25 near fort collins. she said that a man drove up beside her on her driver side and shot at her breaking out her window, she wasn't hurt, but it sounds eerily like Cori Romero's incident... ." That was the first I'd heard of any I-25 shatterings in 2014.

 

[Foxfire]

You may recall a 6/23/15 story by Eric Ortiz of NBC News Denver in which he reported a 4/25/15 incident in which Donna Sharp's car was hit on I-25 by something that left a deep pock mark in her door frame. I'd gotten in touch with her, and she had been good enough to send us some photos and additional detail. She later sent an update (see post #984 of 7/24/15)in which she wrote:

"The Larimer County investigator closed my case and said it was road debris. He even went so far to tell me that behind my window was not metal but plastic."

I recently received a further follow-up note from her in which she included the following:

"I went to the Nissan experts who are in charge of parts. They saw the photos and immediately said 'wow you were shot, looks like shape of bullet to everyone'. And they confirmed what i was sure of anyway, that the piece behind the window is chrome aluminum, and it took a very hard metal hit to make that impression."

She also wrote that "a customer of our store told me that her female relative had her car window blown out of her driver side last year, while driving on the same area where my car was hit, I-25 near fort collins. she said that a man drove up beside her on her driver side and shot at her breaking out her window, she wasn't hurt, but it sounds eerily like Cori Romero's incident... ." That was the first I'd heard of any I-25 shatterings in 2014.

Thanx for sharing this very interesting information, Forager. Wonder what date the alleged 2014 shooting/window shattering on I-25 happened?
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OT- We all remember the 'Cleveland Ohio Three' and the statement by abduction victim Michelle Knight; "Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, she became a butterfly"... Well...

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/08/...led-police-to-a-garage-full-of-other-victims/

Alleged Kidnapping Victim Led Police To A Garage Full Of Other Victims
August 18, 2015

DENVER (CBS4) &#8211; Police made a stunning discovery connected to the raid on a Denver home last week &#8212; four women had been kidnapped, held hostage and abused.
Court documents explain that one of the victims was kidnapped outside the Breakfast King diner on Mississippi Avenue and Santa Fe Boulevard early Thursday morning. She told police two men with guns forced her into their car and took her to a home less than three miles from the diner where she and three other women were violently abused.
Inside the garage of the home located on South Eliot Street the four women were stripped, bound with duct tape and assaulted. At least one of them was forcibly given excessive amounts of methamphetamine, and may have been sexually abused.
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[Forager]

Thanx for sharing this very interesting information, Forager. Wonder what date the alleged 2014 shooting/window shattering on I-25 happened?

Me too. I'm assuming that Donna would have said, if she knew, but the ultimate source was a customer at the store, so... .
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OT- We all remember the 'Cleveland Ohio Three' and the statement by abduction victim Michelle Knight; "Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, she became a butterfly"... Well...

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/08/...led-police-to-a-garage-full-of-other-victims/

Alleged Kidnapping Victim Led Police To A Garage Full Of Other Victims
August 18, 2015

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Great quote! I hadn't heard about that story at all. Is that me being out of touch, or a sign of the times?

 

[Foxfire]

Me too. I'm assuming that Donna would have said, if she knew, but the ultimate source was a customer at the store, so... .
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Great quote! I hadn't heard about that story at all. Is that me being out of touch, or a sign of the times?

Forager, it makes me wonder just how long the NOCO Shooter had been active before the dots were connected by LE. It was curious as to how quickly the NOCO Shooter Task Force was initially formed, the obvious downplaying by the PIO, and their motive for refusing the naming of all the LE Agencies involved in the investigation. If the 2014 window shattering was in November or December 2014, then another dot may be connected, imo..
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Forager, I had the honor of meeting & having a beer with Marc Klaas at a CUE Missing Persons Conference a few years ago. He is one helluva inspirational guy, and as we all know, a warrior in the missing & murdered persons world.. Michelle Knight's butterfly quote was made after receiving a check from the Marc Klaas family housing fund...

<CUE>Community United Effort Center National Conference - 2010
[video=youtube;qN878keA6K0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN878keA6K0[/video]
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http://www.marinij.com/general-news/20140110/ross-real-estate-agent-founds-klaas-family-housing-fund
Ross real estate agent founds Marc Klaas Family Housing fund

A Marin real estate agent has established the Klaas Family Housing fund in concert with child safety advocate Marc Klaas to help provide housing for the families of missing children.
The first beneficiary of the fund was Michelle Knight, one of three Cleveland, Ohio women held captive for more than a decade. Knight, who vanished in 2002 at the age of 20, was rescued in May 2013 from the Cleveland house where she was imprisoned, raped and abused.

"The first chunk of our money went to victim Michelle Knight to pay her rent," said McLaughlin, who sent Knight a check for $6,000 in July. Knight, estranged from her mother, had nowhere to go after she was rescued.

"I have a beautiful hand-printed note from Michelle," McLaughlin said. "She said she was honored and 'eternally grateful' for the grant. She said the money 'made it possible for me to stay at a home where I feel safe, secure and cared for.'
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[margarita25]

Truck driver injured after window blown out on I-25
http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/08/21/window-blown-out-i-25/32115811/

"LOVELAND - A semi-truck driver was taken to the hospital after a window was blown out of his truck on Interstate 25."

 

[margarita25]

(Forager, where u at bro?)

"According to Colorado State Patrol, the incident happened at the Loveland exit 259."
http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/08/21/window-blown-out-i-25/32115811/

 

[margarita25]

"Loveland Police is investigating. There is no evidence that the window was blown out by a firearm projectile at this time." (Of course not)

http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/08/21/window-blown-out-i-25/32115811/

*hmmm, some schools just started back up this week, the incidents ceased over the summer (or at least the ones reported in msm, again, I think there's stuff that has not been reported in the media, jmo)...

*looking to see when classes at CSU resume