CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #3

[margarita25]

Really? I thought most people would just pawn the item and go. I can't foresee it being very common for someone to back-to-back pawn/re-pawn items with high frequency. That would seem odd to me if someone did that every few days. Why not just keep the damn thing either with your persons or at the pawn store?

What is the motivation for doing that?

Are people treating it like 'liquidating' their assets to cash and only 'unpawn' something when they need it? Otherwise it goes back in as a pawned item and turned into cash. Basically patrons treat it like a rental service?

When I was a broke college student I did this; here is how it worked for me.

My rent, etc would be due, so I'd pawn something like my Glock or tv with the full intention of getting it back out asap, as soon as I got paid. One can get a small loan against the value (not a large amount) so you can get it out more easily later. The longer its there, the more interest accrues, and if I didn't get it out by 3 months, then I'd "lose" the item, unless I went back in and got an extension by repaying on the interest. It was an awful feeling, one never wants to part with their items in the loan process, but you tell yourself, "I'll get it back out on the next pay day". Unfortunately, I "lost" some special items this way because I could not afford to get them back out, or stupidly missed the deadline. I actually even bought back some of my stuff at full retail price off the shelf after I lost it, but the worst is if you lose it, it hits the shelf, then someone else buys it. Then you're totally SOL.

I think many customers work like this, particularly with guns, tools, electronics, guitars when they can't afford a bill. They do not want to part with their items, and fully intend to "get them back out". It can be a vicious cycle.

I haven't pawned anything for a "loan" in probably decades, thank goodness, and to this day still kick myself for pawning a very special necklace for a loan which I fully intended to get back out. I think many items on pawn shop shelves initially made their way there with the sincere intention of the owner to retrieve it.

 

[e-sherlockholmes]

When I was a broke college student I did this; here is how it worked for me.

My rent, etc would be due, so I'd pawn something like my Glock or tv with the full intention of getting it back out asap, as soon as I got paid. One can get a small loan against the value (not a large amount) so you can get it out more easily later. The longer its there, the more interest accrues, and if I didn't get it out by 3 months, then I'd "lose" the item, unless I went back in and got an extension by repaying on the interest. It was an awful feeling, one never wants to part with their items in the loan process, but you tell yourself, "I'll get it back out on the next pay day". Unfortunately, I "lost" some special items this way because I could not afford to get them back out, or stupidly missed the deadline. I actually even bought back some of my stuff at full retail price off the shelf after I lost it, but the worst is if you lose it, it hits the shelf, then someone else buys it. Then you're totally SOL.

I think many customers work like this, particularly with guns, tools, electronics, guitars when they can't afford a bill. They do not want to part with their items, and fully intend to "get them back out". It can be a vicious cycle.

I haven't pawned anything for a "loan" in probably decades, thank goodness, and to this day still kick myself for pawning a very special necklace for a loan which I fully intended to get back out. I think many items on pawn shop shelves initially made their way there with the sincere intention of the owner to retrieve it.

Interesting description thanks.

I guess rapid pawning/re-pawning of items around a pay date might be one reason for the high frequency of exchanges during that period. As it relates to this case, do we know the motivation for why the suspect allegedly went to pawn/re-pawn his gun? Can they produce a reason why? Paying rent? Need cash for something?

Regarding pawning guns in general, I suppose it involves more paperwork with the licensing and re-licensing of the firearm?

 

[Forager]

Omg...looks 4/28 like a joy ride, I want to review that day (and the days leading up to it)...My request for a triangulation re: the 3 reported April incidents on 4/28 (thanks again Forager) has produced a virtual straight line, there is no triangle. And the killings are embedded within. And the school building. And practically on top of the Romero incident...I'm not liking any of this. Not that I ever did but ykwim. And the other building shot at the bottom of the image is practically on top of one of the April 4/28/ incidents...

This feels like progress to me. All of this, and also, something about the 40 miles...reminds me of Sigg...ugh, what is it...maybe something about the "round trip" he made...jmo

I'm going back to here, the timeline posts (and spreadsheet / map details) re: those incidents on 4/28:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...l-Shooter-Has-Colorado-Drivers-on-Edge/page21

Eta: see April 23 also at the above link
Eta: and April 24 (sigh)

Forager, if you get a chance can you please specifically graphically represent the above dates please onto the image above, just add them / pop them onto this image in your embedded quote? TIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eta: I also need to crosscheck the dates reported on the text timeline at the above link against the actual dates of incidents via the spreadsheet, specifically for 4/28.

Here's a screenshot, as requested, with:
- The Romero / Jacoby / Anonymous Guy / Connole attacks as red stars
- The building shootings as orange stars
- The two 4/23/15 window shatterings as red dots. You'll note that both are well east of I-25. Only two others shatterings were that far east (incidents of 1/23/15 and 8/31/15).
- The three 4/28/15 window shatterings also as red dots.
- I'm not finding anything for 4/24/15. Marshall Zelingler had made a 7News timeline that included a report made to police on 4/24/15 (but for an unspecified date of occurrance, with only an approximate location). The window damage description and general location match the 4/23/15 incident reported in a Coloradoan story which I take to be of the same incident.

It's been seven weeks since we've seen a window shattering along I-25 north of Denver. The last that we've heard about was on 8/20/15. The one before that was two months earlier (6/16/15). Has he (or have they) found something better to do with their time? Found a girlfriend? Gotten clean? Or is he afraid that the Task Force has gotten I-25 dialed in well enough with smart surveillance of some sort that they'll be able to pick him off if he tried again there?

 

[Forager]

When I was a broke college student I did this; here is how it worked for me.

My rent, etc would be due, so I'd pawn something like my Glock or tv with the full intention of getting it back out asap, as soon as I got paid. One can get a small loan against the value (not a large amount) so you can get it out more easily later. The longer its there, the more interest accrues, and if I didn't get it out by 3 months, then I'd "lose" the item, unless I went back in and got an extension by repaying on the interest. It was an awful feeling, one never wants to part with their items in the loan process, but you tell yourself, "I'll get it back out on the next pay day". Unfortunately, I "lost" some special items this way because I could not afford to get them back out, or stupidly missed the deadline. I actually even bought back some of my stuff at full retail price off the shelf after I lost it, but the worst is if you lose it, it hits the shelf, then someone else buys it. Then you're totally SOL.

I think many customers work like this, particularly with guns, tools, electronics, guitars when they can't afford a bill. They do not want to part with their items, and fully intend to "get them back out". It can be a vicious cycle.

I haven't pawned anything for a "loan" in probably decades, thank goodness, and to this day still kick myself for pawning a very special necklace for a loan which I fully intended to get back out. I think many items on pawn shop shelves initially made their way there with the sincere intention of the owner to retrieve it.

Great post. Pawning, like "payday loans" can be a hugely expensive way to try to finance one's self thru tight times. They can help lock some people in crisis. Financial policy wonks go back and forth about how unfair it is that some people pay thru the nose for credit that way while others do the same thing much more cheaply with a credit card. Others point out that pawn shops provide an legit alternative to even worse solutions.

 

[Footwarrior]

I am moving to Fort Collins in a few days and have been reading this thread. Hope I don't have anything to report. But if I do, I will! :scared:

Welcome to Fort Collins.

I suspect the culprit in these shootings has moved away. Another possibility is incarceration for an unrelated crime. Whatever happened the random shootings near Fort Collins seem to have stopped and the reports of shattered windows are far less frequent.

 

[e-sherlockholmes]

Great post. Pawning, like "payday loans" can be a hugely expensive way to try to finance one's self thru tight times. They can help lock some people in crisis. Financial policy wonks go back and forth about how unfair it is that some people pay thru the nose for credit that way while others do the same thing much more cheaply with a credit card. Others point out that pawn shops provide an legit alternative to even worse solutions.

Good point. It basically works like a payday loan if used in that manner of pawning and un-pawning an item around a pay date.

 

[ddg]

Hey guys! It's me again! I posted earlier in the thread about a similar incident in the city I live in, (if anyone wants to read about it there is a short but concise list of them here: http://www.therecord.com/news-story/5921196-car-damaged-by-pellet-gun-shots-in-kitchener/ ) and well.... today this happened:

http://www.therecord.com/news-story/5957851-officer-shot-in-face-by-pellet-gun/

Also, ironically, speaking of the spears you guys mentioned, a guy in our region was killed by an arrow while taking a walk : http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/man-shot-and-killed-with-arrow-in-kitchener-1.2595236

what is happening to this city ... :notgood::notgood::notgood::notgood:

 

[margarita25]

Afternoon all. I haaaaate to post this link below and my heart is heavy. Wtf is wrong with people?

So, I still check the Loveland police blotter and incidents in Denver, Boulder, etc, and am still interested in why there have been no incidents in Boulder that I recall hearing about... Might he / they live there? Go to CU? Just a thought...

Anyway, I just saw this aaaaaawful story re: a recent animal cruelty incident, that the reward here has been upped, and it got me thinking. I'm NOT saying this is related, but we do know that serial killers and people who harm people often have harmed animals. In thread 1 I also mentioned our local meatball dog poisoner, anyway, I'm posting this for reference, (and honestly also because I want to get the word out so they catch this nutjob).

Warning: The story is heartbreaking and has graphic details so do not click if you are sensitive to dog / animal cruelty:
http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boulder/ci_28956049

 

[Forager]

Hey guys! It's me again! I posted earlier in the thread about a similar incident in the city I live in, (if anyone wants to read about it there is a short but concise list of them here: http://www.therecord.com/news-story/5921196-car-damaged-by-pellet-gun-shots-in-kitchener/ ) and well.... today this happened:

http://www.therecord.com/news-story/5957851-officer-shot-in-face-by-pellet-gun/

Also, ironically, speaking of the spears you guys mentioned, a guy in our region was killed by an arrow while taking a walk : http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/man-shot-and-killed-with-arrow-in-kitchener-1.2595236

what is happening to this city ... :notgood::notgood::notgood::notgood:

Thanks for that. Misery loves company. Glad to see that Americans aren't the only ones crazy enough to be doing this kind of thing. A Websleuths thread has opened on the Kitchner arrow shooting:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Kitchener-Man-shot-and-killed-by-arrow/page2

 

[Hatfield]

Thanks for that. Misery loves company. Glad to see that Americans aren't the only ones crazy enough to be doing this kind of thing. A Websleuths thread has opened on the Kitchner arrow shooting:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Kitchener-Man-shot-and-killed-by-arrow/page2

On the WS arrow thread I think I may have found a connection to a video game. I posted on that thread and it may be the first time I actually feel like I made a real contribution to any of the cases. LOL

 

[margarita25]

Suspect in custody after possible road-rage incident
http://www.9news.com/story/news/traffic/2015/10/15/aurora-car-crash-shooting/73983154/

"AURORA - A suspect in his 30s is in custody after what police are calling a possible road-rage incident near Parker Road and Temple Drive Thursday morning.

A call came in to police at 8:20 a.m. for a traffic complaint regarding the way a man was driving and possible shots fired on Orchard Road.

When police responded, they found a wreck. The driver of the wrecked vehicle had bullet holes in her windshield. No one was seriously injured. The investigation led authorities to believe that the suspect shot the gray car but that car was not the intended target. The driver of the gray car slammed on the brakes and two other cars rear-ended the gray car."

 

[margarita25]

Also re: the above incident:

"According to the Arapahoe County Sheriff's Office, the suspect then drove westbound on Orchard Road, then northbound in the southbound lanes of Parker Road. He struck another vehicle just north of Orchard."

Snip

"The suspect was taken into custody after a short foot chase."

 

[margarita25]

Another link carrying the story:

Suspected road-rage shooting linked to 3 crashes on Orchard, Parker roadsWoman has minor injuries after car hit by gunfire
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...s-surround-car-crash-on-parker-road-in-aurora

"A suspect in a red pickup truck reportedly fired shots near East Orchard Road and South Buckley Road at about 8:18 a.m., Arapahoe County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Julie Brooks told 7NEWS.

A woman driving a silver Hyundai SUV westbound on Orchard was "caught in the middle" of gunfire from the male suspect in the red pickup, Brooks said."

 

[Forager]

Another link carrying the story:

Suspected road-rage shooting linked to 3 crashes on Orchard, Parker roadsWoman has minor injuries after car hit by gunfire
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...s-surround-car-crash-on-parker-road-in-aurora

"A suspect in a red pickup truck reportedly fired shots near East Orchard Road and South Buckley Road at about 8:18 a.m., Arapahoe County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Julie Brooks told 7NEWS.

A woman driving a silver Hyundai SUV westbound on Orchard was "caught in the middle" of gunfire from the male suspect in the red pickup, Brooks said."

There sure are a lot of attacks clustered in that area. And no specifics on why investigators didn't think that today's attack was unrelated to any of the others.

Today's shattering near East Orchard Rd and South Buckley Rd (the orange star) was the eighth within about six miles of one another this year. Four involved pellet guns (the two purple circles). Three, including today's, involved firearms (two of the orange circles and the orange star). . One was from unknown causes (the orange circle from 3/29/15).

Here's a link to the case map.

 

[Footwarrior]

Suspect in Arapaho County road rage shooting identified.

The Denver man arrested in connection with what police are calling a possible road-rage incident near Parker Road and Temple Drive Thursday morning has criminal history dating back several years.

Jesse Wright, 34, was arrested on suspicion of Criminal Attempt Murder in the First Degree, Felony Menacing, and possession of a weapon by a previous offender. He was booked into the Arapahoe County Detention Center and is being held without bond.

http://www.9news.com/story/news/traffic/2015/10/15/aurora-car-crash-shooting/73983154/

 

[searchinGirl]

I heard on 7news in the 6 o'clock segment that similarities in the suspect's truck from the shooting today and the one the NOCO task force is looking for are being investigated ... It's an older model Ford not a Chevy...

 

[ddg]

On the WS arrow thread I think I may have found a connection to a video game. I posted on that thread and it may be the first time I actually feel like I made a real contribution to any of the cases. LOL

Oh wow keep up the good work I guess. Interesting to note that the reason the cops pulled over the guy (who then shot the police officer with the pellet gun) is because he was considered a person of interest in the arrow crime ....

anyways hopefully with a few of these suspects in custody we can find out what the common link between them is ..if there is one at all .. other than their craziness

 

[Hatfield]

I heard on 7news in the 6 o'clock segment that similarities in the suspect's truck from the shooting today and the one the NOCO task force is looking for are being investigated ... It's an older model Ford not a Chevy...

I wonder if this is the "Orange Truck" that the NOCO task force was looking for in the murders

Maybe the "red" is faded and maybe the witnesses thought it was "orange" .
This could be the killer we have been looking for. He already proved that he was ready to kill with this latest incident.

"Wright reportedly fired shots from a red pickup truck near East Orchard Road and South Buckley Road at about 8:18 a.m"



http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...s-surround-car-crash-on-parker-road-in-aurora

 

[Forager]

The trend continues:

Man's says truck's window shot out on Beltway 8
Author: Jonathan Martinez, Published On: Oct 15 2015 11:34:00 PM CDT

"A man said the [driver's side] window of his truck was shot out on purpose on Beltway 8 near the Katy Freeway [in Houston, TX]. After talking to a dealership to get the window replaced, he now believes not something but someone is responsible for his busted window and may have used a high-power pellet gun. He filed report with the Harris County Toll Road Authority who's investigating and it turns out he may not be alone. "Three or four people said the same stuff happened to them along the same stretch within a two-week difference."
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I wasn't able to find any similar stories in recent years thru a Google search.

Here is a listing of the apparent on-road attacks that I'm aware of that started this year, now with the Houston incidents. The numbers are the "incident counts" - how many cars were shot at.



Here's the spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet..._QEuVgSyY7Fc1C6ztmJ3hRghAA/edit#gid=220320673
Here's the map of the national on road shootings clusters:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z_XRj_yu3Dto.kvUh3ksB0xPU

 

[margarita25]

There sure are a lot of attacks clustered in that area. And no specifics on why investigators didn't think that today's attack was unrelated to any of the others.

Today's shattering near East Orchard Rd and South Buckley Rd (the orange star) was the eighth within about six miles of one another this year. Four involved pellet guns (the two purple circles). Three, including today's, involved firearms (two of the orange circles and the orange star). . One was from unknown causes (the orange circle from 3/29/15).

Here's a link to the case map.

Fantastic graphics and records kept, Forager.