CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #2

[margarita25]

COLORADO SPRINGS – Police responding to a crash on Interstate 25 Tuesday evening found a man with a gunshot wound to the head, according to KOAA-TV.

The victim was taken to the hospital in critical condition. Information about how the man was shot was not released, KOAA reports.

KOAA says police initially responded to the area after a report of a two-vehicle accident.
http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/07/21/i-25-crash-circle/30493111/

Thanks Spammy.

Also from the above link:

"Police say the crash happened two miles south of Circle Drive on southbound I-25."

 

[margarita25]

COLORADO SPRINGS – Police responding to a crash on Interstate 25 Tuesday evening found a man with a gunshot wound to the head, according to KOAA-TV.

The victim was taken to the hospital in critical condition. Information about how the man was shot was not released, KOAA reports.

KOAA says police initially responded to the area after a report of a two-vehicle accident.
http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/07/21/i-25-crash-circle/30493111/

Update:

Man shoots self in head on I-25, kidnapping victim in car
http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/07/21/i-25-crash-circle/30493111/

"COLORADO SPRINGS – Police responding to what was initially reported as a two-vehicle crash on Interstate 25 Tuesday afternoon instead found a man with a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head and a woman who was believed have been the victim of a kidnapping.

Snip

They say the incident was a domestic disturbance between the man and woman in the vehicle. Their relationship is unclear.""

 

[Forager]

Veterans voluntarily stand guard at Aurora recruiting office after Chattanooga Marine shooting
Erin Powell, News 7 Denver
5:49 PM, Jul 22, 2015

Makes sense to me, and particularly so in Colorado. It's heartwarming to see people step up to actually do something about the problem.

ISIS has its disturbed lone wolves. We have clearheaded, united wolf packs.

 

[Forager]

Stickin' With Their Story I got an e-mail from Donna Sharp. You will recall that her car had been "shot" on I-25 in Larimer on 4/25/15. She had called the incident in to Erik Ortiz of NBC after she realized that Larimer CSO hadn't included it in its press briefing on April shootings/shatterings along I -25. This was back in the day, before the Task Force clamped down on public comment by LE. They then got back in touch with her to revisit her report. (See my earlier post).

Here, from Donna's e-mail of yesterday (and with her permission), is a sample of how Larimer CSO is communicating these days:

"The Larimer County investigator closed my case and said it was road debris. He even went so far to tell me that behind my window was not metal but plastic. He never even saw my car. [Though a Steamboat Springs police officer had seen it.] He couldn't explain why the shape looks like a bullet indention."

I'm surprised that Larimer CSO is still offering the road debris explanation for an incident such as Donna's. No car was next to hers when this purported road debris hit the door frame, perpendicularly, leaving a smooth round dent. Early on, road debris seemed to be the default explanation. "Weird, but what else could it have been?" That was before the extent of the window shatterings was apparent. It strains credulity now, and particularly so in Donna's case. I'd thought that LE was backing away from that explanation when they announced that they were revisiting the window shattering incidents, but apparently not. I do hope that LE hasn't really bought that explanation for itself.

 

[FindHG]

Stickin' With Their Story I got an e-mail from Donna Sharp. You will recall that her car had been "shot" on I-25 in Larimer on 4/25/15. She had called the incident in to Erik Ortiz of NBC after she realized that Larimer CSO hadn't included it in its press briefing on April shootings/shatterings along I -25. This was back in the day, before the Task Force clamped down on public comment by LE. They then got back in touch with her to revisit her report. (See my earlier post).

Here, from Donna's e-mail of yesterday (and with her permission), is a sample of how Larimer CSO is communicating these days:

"The Larimer County investigator closed my case and said it was road debris. He even went so far to tell me that behind my window was not metal but plastic. He never even saw my car. [Though a Steamboat Springs police officer had seen it.] He couldn't explain why the shape looks like a bullet indention."

I'm surprised that Larimer CSO is still offering the road debris explanation for an incident such as Donna's. No car was next to hers when this purported road debris hit the door frame, perpendicularly, leaving a smooth round dent. Early on, road debris seemed to be the default explanation. "Weird, but what else could it have been?" That was before the extent of the window shatterings was apparent. It strains credulity now, and particularly so in Donna's case. I'd thought that LE was backing away from that explanation when they announced that they were revisiting the window shattering incidents, but apparently not. I do hope that LE hasn't really bought that explanation for itself.

Well, LE does have eyes on, and more at stake in solving the case, so my instinct would be, not much more information will be available to confirm anything else, and we couldn't begin to know for sure, as things stand. I hope Ms. Sharp doesn't take it to heart and stays safe while we learn more, hopefully. It doesn't happen often that you get a, besides WS, 'oh, thank you for the information, here's what we know and are thinking,' unless something is riding on it?

 

[Montjoy]

I don't see a coverup here -- I see what's more likely an attempt to quell or cool baseless public hysteria.

 

[Hatfield]

Stickin' With Their Story I got an e-mail from Donna Sharp. You will recall that her car had been "shot" on I-25 in Larimer on 4/25/15. She had called the incident in to Erik Ortiz of NBC after she realized that Larimer CSO hadn't included it in its press briefing on April shootings/shatterings along I -25. This was back in the day, before the Task Force clamped down on public comment by LE. They then got back in touch with her to revisit her report. (See my earlier post).

Here, from Donna's e-mail of yesterday (and with her permission), is a sample of how Larimer CSO is communicating these days:

"The Larimer County investigator closed my case and said it was road debris. He even went so far to tell me that behind my window was not metal but plastic. He never even saw my car. [Though a Steamboat Springs police officer had seen it.] He couldn't explain why the shape looks like a bullet indention."

I'm surprised that Larimer CSO is still offering the road debris explanation for an incident such as Donna's. No car was next to hers when this purported road debris hit the door frame, perpendicularly, leaving a smooth round dent. Early on, road debris seemed to be the default explanation. "Weird, but what else could it have been?" That was before the extent of the window shatterings was apparent. It strains credulity now, and particularly so in Donna's case. I'd thought that LE was backing away from that explanation when they announced that they were revisiting the window shattering incidents, but apparently not. I do hope that LE hasn't really bought that explanation for itself.

Thats really too bad. It sounds to me that they really just didnt want to be bothered by it since nobody was hurt. Which is sad if that is what happened.

I for one think that dent is definitely NOT road debri. That was the picture I saw before where it looks like a bullet dent for sure.

Remember about a week ago I had brought up that maybe the perp just happened to have some type of ammunition that wasnt doing the job but it was all he had.

This dent kind of falls in line with that. Like maybe the shells he has are very old army surplus shells and the gunpowder is not exploding with enough power to go through the metal.

Or they are a certain batch of tracer practice rounds like the military uses in training. If the perp had a whole batch of this type of ammo he may be stuck using shells that are not what he expected.

He could be afraid to go to the store and purchase new ammo for fear of it being traced back to him.

Just some thoughts.

That dent sure likes like a hard projectile from a weapon to me.

 

[Hatfield]

I don't see a coverup here -- I see what's more likely an attempt to quell or cool baseless public hysteria.

Hello Montjoy,

Thanks for your opinion on this because I really do appreciate and try to consider all view points because it is great to have checks and balances.

JMO
For me, I cannot get past 3 linked dead people all killed by a random shooter and well over 50+ mysterious window shatterings.

Just way too many for me to think it is something normal.

 

[Hatfield]

Here are 2 firearms dealer that agree that it is some sort of firearm involved.

"Bill Cates, manager and firearms instructor at Rocky Mountain Shooter Supply in Fort Collins, said he's not buying that rocks or road debris are the culprits. He said he believes it's "definitely a projectile from a firearm,"

"Jacob Paulsen, owner and founder of U.S. Firearms Training in Arvada, mostly agreed with Cates. He said anything larger than a BB or pellet gun would leave a hole, though a hollow point .22 caliber might only shatter the window."

http://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...-cause-shattered-windows-interstate/27198323/

 

[Foxfire]

I don't see a cover up here -- I see what's more likely an attempt to quell or cool baseless public hysteria.

<BBM for Focus>

So we have one, possibly two random victims murdered, and one injured by a gunshot to the neck, and all all within the same geographical and normally low crime areas. During this same time period, there are multiple unexplained windows shattered and at least one vehicle with evidence of a gunshot.
Yep, Montjoy, prolly just an attempt by law enforcement to quell or cool baseless public hysteria..
Montjoy, if there was no snow on the ground outside when you go to bed at night, yet when you wake up there is two inches of snow accumulation on the ground. It would be logical to conclude that it snowed during the night while you were sound asleep.. jmo

Recent example of how difficult it is to shatter a car window..

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/07/21/video-woman-smashes-window-save-toddler-locked-hot-car
insider.foxnews.com/.../video-woman-smashes-window-save-toddler-loc...
3 days ago - Sarah Oropeza, manager at Famous Footwear in Merriam, used a tire iron to free a little girl who was trapped inside a car

 

[Forager]

Thats really too bad. It sounds to me that they really just didnt want to be bothered by it since nobody was hurt. Which is sad if that is what happened.

I for one think that dent is definitely NOT road debri. That was the picture I saw before where it looks like a bullet dent for sure.

Remember about a week ago I had brought up that maybe the perp just happened to have some type of ammunition that wasnt doing the... < snipped, respectfully >

Thank you, Hatfield, for getting back into the weeds with me on bullets and incident counts and the like. (So much more tangible and satisfying than trying to figure out NS's addled head!) And thanks for not scolding me for critiquing LE. I'm sure I deserve it, but I don't mean to be disrespectful of them. Odds are I'd be saying the same things if I were in their shoes.

 

[searchinGirl]

I don't see a coverup here -- I see what's more likely an attempt to quell or cool baseless public hysteria.

I dare say their attempt has failed....

 

[margarita25]

Suspect shoots Confederate toy wagon in NoCo street
http://www.9news.com/story/news/loc...-colorado-confederate-flag-shooting/30660541/

"FORT COLLINS COLORADOAN - A man dragged a wagon decorated with a Confederate flag into a public street and opened fire last month, shocking residents in Bellvue, according to a Larimer County Sheriff's Office report.


The unidentified man fired several shots at the wagon after getting in an SUV and trying to run over the antique toy. Deputies investigated the June 27 incident to see if it was tied to three Northern Colorado shootings, but a suspect was never located, according to the report released Thursday — 24 days after the Coloradoan first requested the information."

 

[margarita25]

As evident in the above post, imo I think there are other incidents that could be possibly related to all this that are not being reported in the media. As a local, I have heard firsthand of other shattering incidents, for which there does not seem to be any msm, so they can not be discussed here as of yet. jmo. Going back to catch up.

Thanks again everyone for keeping this thread active and for all your hard work.

 

[margarita25]

This may sound silly, as CR, JJ and Connole were obviously shot with bullets, but re: the shatterings, and our discussions about NS/ISIS, have we discussed potato guns yet? I can not remember...I saw something in msm re: ISIS and potato guns that made me wonder about this. Tia.

 

[FindHG]

Colorado Springs family from Lafayette reflects on theater shooting
By Maddie Garrett, KAOO 5 NBC, Jul 24 '15

In Cajun country, they have a saying: "joie de vivre." It means the joy of life and rings true in the south Louisiana town of Lafayette, known for its fun-loving culture, spicy Cajun food, festivals and music. So when a gunman opened fire in a movie theater there on Thursday evening, the community was shocked.


[...]

"They'll bounce back quick, it's just going to be tough," said Clay.

In the city named the "Happiest City in the Country," sadness has little place there.

"I know it's an outpouring of love for these people and we'll get through this," said Carol.

 

[FindHG]

This may sound silly, as CR, JJ and Connole were obviously shot with bullets, but re: the shatterings, and our discussions about NS/ISIS, have we discussed potato guns yet? I can not remember...I saw something in msm re: ISIS and potato guns that made me wonder about this. Tia.

Now, that is interesting, magz.

If you traced back sales of materials ISIS advocates, in areas where their chatter and signs of their advocates seem apparent, considering they're probably stocking up and practicing, working their way up as it were, could that be a way to hone in on things?

So, if you could cross check that information, in a perfectly linked world, against:

the shootings, pressure cooker attempts, stabbings, hackings, setting fires, and, the hit and runs, the types of thing they've been arrested for either planning or doing;

then, check for material purchases required for those activities;

and check purchases by rough age group of teens, young men and women who seem to gravitate or who get their freak on this way.

 

[Forager]

This may sound silly, as CR, JJ and Connole were obviously shot with bullets, but re: the shatterings, and our discussions about NS/ISIS, have we discussed potato guns yet? I can not remember...I saw something in msm re: ISIS and potato guns that made me wonder about this. Tia.

"I'm tell you sarge, it had to be road debris. There was nothing at the scene. Just road debris, mostly potatoes."

 

[Hatfield]

Regarding the bullets the shooter could be using....this may be it.....
I cant believe what I just saw on Forensic Files tonight!!!

This is just amazing what I just now heard 5 minutes ago and I ran in here to type this!!!

They literally said something very close to this......"bullets of the type that explode on impact so that LE cannot identify the caliber or type of weapon"

They were "Glaser Bullets"......much more to follow......

The case I am watching is the case about the kidnapping and murder of Sally Weiner who was a wife of the manager of a Bank in Pennsylvania named Harry Weiner. It was an amazing case where the guy was mad at them for them turning down a loan he applied for and he wanted to extort money and kill them anyway. He was going to kill the husband too as he delivered ransom money but the guy couldnt follow the hand off instructions.
Links will be at bottom for that case for reference....but back to the bullets....

I looked up "Glaser Bullets" and found this....

"The current bullet has a core of very tightly packed lead pellets. On impact, the bullet fractures"

"The bullet design can produce large shallow wounds in flesh while failing to pass through structural barriers thicker than drywall or sheet metal.[4][5] These qualities make it less likely to strike unintended targets, such as people in another room during an indoor shooting. Also, when it strikes a hard surface from which a solid bullet would glance off, it fragments into tiny, light pieces and creates much less ricochet danger."

It is a "frangible" type bullet that I have never heard about before because it has tiny small BBs inside a shell so that would definitely make it break apart much easier. Link below about the bullets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glaser_Safety_Slug

And get this....

"The United States Federal Air Marshal Service tested and used the Glaser Safety Slug extensively in the 1970s and 80s on board commercial passenger aircraft to defend against hijackers. Air Marshals are now issued SIG Sauer P229 pistols with a 12-round capacity firing conventional-jacketed hollow point ammunition "

I can almost guarantee the reason air marshals use this type of bullet is because it would be less likely to penatrate the wall of the plane. So this means to me that this bullet is likely not to penetrate thick car window glass.

Anyway, back to the case....I just had to share this because the Forensic file episode was talking about the bullets being purposely used so that LE could not identify the weapon or caliber because the bullets break apart into small pieces. But it would kill a person if hit directly.

Maybe our shooter is using it for mainly the same reason to prevent LE from telling the type of caliber of his weapon so LE can never prove he shot the bullets even if they have a suspect and go to his house and find his guns.

I about fell off my chair when watching the show and listening.
Anyway, its a sad case and the lady got killed.

Below is a link summary about the case. It was on CNN Forensic Files episode tonight which is usually on HLN but late at night CNN also starts showing Forensic files episodes too.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/pa-supreme-court/1275215.html

Below is more links that have the Glaser bullets in many types of calibers and if you google "Glaser Bullets" you can find Utube videos and much more info.

http://corbon.com/corboncart/index.php/glaser

This demonstration video shows how the bullets break apart when hitting materials. Keep in mind that the white boards they are using are just drywall sheets and not even wood. It is soft sheetrock which is a very soft material and not nearly as hard as wood. They are showing how the bullets fragment apart. Its too bad they dont use glass but I bet car glass would just shatter and the bullet would fragment just like they are explaining. The gelatin demonstration is a great demo showing how the pieces of the bullet break apart. You can see the fragments.

Anyway....wanted to share with everyone.

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=glaser+bullets&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004

 

[Montjoy]

Yes, these have already been mentioned in this thread. While they do fracture, they do not disintegrate, and they do still leave forensic evidence -- and nothing about the window shatterings has suggested they were used. If they had been used in even one of the window shatterings, LE would be all over it. So, it's a nice theory, but it has nothing to do with the window shatterings.