CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #12

[NuttMegg]

If we are to look at other cases like this, it’s far more likely that she was killed before the kids (if they were all killed in the same time period). She is the sole person who posed a threat to him successfully carrying out his plot, and she was likely the object of his rage. He’d kill her first.

Then the kids because one of them saw, and he had to kill both. IMO

 

[cbs]

Does anyone else find it strange NU May have had a key to the house?

I don't. My closest friend has a key to my house as does my brother. They have copies just in case I'm out of town and for whatever reason they need a place to stay or if I need them to check on house or I lock myself out.... etc

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

Why do you think he'll get off, Ilovemy3boys?

I quoted your post when you wrote he didn’t want LE to find the bodies until they were too decomposed. I just meant that in that case he’d get off because of the decomposition. I hope he rots in prison.

 

[BetzC]

Oh, I dunno. My family AND my husband’s family are both extremely spread out both geographically, and emotionally. While we all love each other in our own ways, and we do not fight, I can’t see any of them flying out to support me unless someone had been confirmed dead. And even then, it might take them several days to a week to get around to it. I mean, yeah, it’s sad, but it doesn’t really mean the family is super dysfunctional. Maybe a little dysfunctional, like any family, LOL, but not to a psycho level.

I have a very small family and they are all across the country. But there is no way I would ever be alone. I have 4 friends I know I could call who would be by my side in an instant if I ever needed them. And I would do the same for them. Nobody stood by CW because everybody knew something was terribly wrong and they could not possibly support him. To be honest, I think SW was the person who cultivated friendships and relationships. She seems like the type of person people would naturally be drawn to. Nobody hesitated to suspect something was wrong and that CW was involved. Her friend who dropped her off, the neighbors (who had initially extended their support). There was nobody there. And that speaks volumes.

 

[MassGuy]

Then the kids because one of them saw, and he had to kill both. IMO

Exactly. In cases where the mother is killed last, as punishment, a gun is frequently used.

 

[katydid23]

He sure did the minimum to conceal what he had done. I just don't see why he did not have at least a little time to get rid of her stuff in the house and build up an exit strategy. I know it seems he planned to do that later... but why? Why not sooner than later. Did everything happen from 4-5am when he had to go to work? Or did he just sit there thinking/not thinking?

I'm thinking he might have been overwhelmed and a bit freaked out, having 3 dead 'loved ones' to dispose of. Probably the most urgent, desperate thing was to get that done immediately.

Then he figured he had the entire day to set up his alibi, go to work, call her/text her, act normal---at lunch time he could tell his boss that he was worried about his pregnant wife---could he go home and check on her-she is not responding....

He thought he could load stuff in the car and pretend to go look for his family, dump her things, then call 911, and fake his way through the Missing Family report.

 

[human]

Here is a really detailed Associated Press video of site of where the bodies were

So they were on a ranch? It does not look like a security code is needed. It looks like sand. Easy to dig

 

[Bill Carson]

Absolutely and after the prior explosion involving his employer, I’m wondering if there’s quality CCTV footage and if anyone met up with him. http://www.ivcco.com/PDF/App Note - Advanced Security for Industrial Applications.pdf

Sorry.

That dome camera looks like something out of Lost in Space

 

[Ronso]

"Family annihilators were overwhelmingly not known to criminal justice or mental health services. For all intents and purposes these were loving husbands and good fathers, often holding down high profile jobs and seen publicly as being very, very successful"

Study: family killers are usually men and fit one of four distinct profiles | WIRED UK

 

[Thinker Belle]

What is in that giant bag he has?

I’m thinking it may be a car seat or stroller bag provided by the airline. If you look closely it says Southwest Airlines.

 

[idfinch]

The fact that he stalled about letting NUA and LE in the house speaks volumes to me.

Your wife is pregnant, not well, missed a doctor's appt and no one can get a hold of her. She's caring for your 2 little girls. Where is the panic? Casual comments about a random unknown playdate when her car was there? Telling her/LE to wait another 5 minutes because of the code? 5 minutes is a lifetime.

I've had chronic health problems and my husband and I are always in touch, as well as a close friend. I tend to go silent to everyone but him when not feeling well. If my friend called my husband and said she couldn't get me to come to the door?! He would say, "Let me try her" and if he couldn't get me either, then he'd call my friend right back, tell her he's on his way home "blowing lights" and yes, call LE. If anything felt that wrong and my friend told him that, he'd say if LE aren't fast enough break a damn window, just get in there.

NOTHING would matter to him but making sure I'm safe and accounted for, not passed out or worse. Nothing. And we don't even have tiny children at home.

 

[Seattle1]

I would like to see a timeline of his activities on Monday. We don't actually know if he reported to work. Or maybe he was assigned to do maintenance in the oilfield that the tanks were located in. The tanks were very isolated. I originally thought he might have been spooked by the sun coming up or traffic nearby, but that location is almost in the middle of nowhere.

Back at the house, there is some evidence of a cover-up---the sheets in the trash can, but otherwise it doesn't sound like he did much to clean up the crime scene. The girls' beds were unmade, when SW would have made them if she and the girls had woken up normally and then gone on a playdate. And SW's car was there, and her shoes and suitcase by the door, and phone in the couch, and medicine there.

So many unexplainable things about this case.

Monday's timeline would satisfy some answers, but it may not be so difficult to project. We know SW arrived and entered her home around 1:48AM, and CW truck seen on video backed into garage and leaving around 5:30AM. The window between 5:30 and noonish is the black hole. I believe from the moment police arrived at the scene/home, CWs every move monitored. CW did not contact police and report his wife missing, NAU did that. CW claimed SW and girls on a playdate, but couldn't provide who the playdate was with. LE stuck to him like white on rice. And CW claims to have spent Monday night at home -- with all the lights on. MOO.

PS. And we know he spent Tuesday pontificating before the cameras giving interviews...

 

[Inthedetails]

"Family annihilators were overwhelmingly not known to criminal justice or mental health services. For all intents and purposes these were loving husbands and good fathers, often holding down high profile jobs and seen publicly as being very, very successful"

Study: family killers are usually men and fit one of four distinct profiles | WIRED UK

Quote from the article: "men are most likely to commit these acts during August"

Well, that certainly fits!

I do think CW fits in with the findings of the study - I think financial troubles are the underlying cause with other contributing factors. The financial difficulties are now a repeating pattern for him and that's humiliating (in his eyes). Rather than face the situation, he obliterates the situation.

jmo

 

[katydid23]

Yes because when days are spent during a trial on all the horrible things he did (IMO), like throwing little pigtailed girls into toxic oil, there's no way a jury will give him the benefit of the doubt that he was doing it all to save the reputation of his wife or that he was going into hour 3 or 4 of "sudden rage". It's just beyond gruesome and cruel to do that to human beings that you supposedly loved. A plea deal will keep him off the streets for the rest of his life, just that Colorado residents get to pay for his room board, and medical care while he reads & rereads the adulation mail from the sycophants.

Yes, the bolded brings up a good point. In order to sell his version of the nightmare story, he will have to take the witness stand. There is no other way to tell the jury that SW was the killer.

This will be a terrible ordeal for her family, if he gets up there, and paints a phony, horrible story for us all. I really hope he does take a plea.

 

[spangled]

Quote from the article: "men are most likely to commit these acts during August"

Well, that certainly fits!
jmo

Very interesting article!

Considering it's a study of British cases the high number in August is interesting. Our school summer holidays run from the end of July all through August, wonder if that could be a contributing factor.

And how terrifying that cases are increasing... I wonder why

 

[Jealoushe]

'Absolutely No Evidence' Shan'ann Watts Killed Her Daughters: Police Source

One more time, for the people in the back!

 

[HammyG]

So a couple of thoughts about the "after" time period, hopefully not repeating what others may have posited.
All IMO of course...

CW moved all the bodies at the same time - when he "left for work" that morning. He had to hurry up his timetable because of the plane delay, so didn't stage and clean everything as he had planned. With the drive out to the remote location, and then carrying each little one up to separate tanks , he was racing against the clock. I think it's possible he ran out of steam, adrenaline, lack of sleep, and time and opted for a quick shallow grave for SW, intending to come back later. The sheet could have blown away while he was digging, and he never got a chance to retrieve it. Maybe he had to check in for work, and he quickly covered SW but couldn't get back to hide her in the tanks, or bury her better before NU called him. He had lost control of the whole thing at that point and had to come up with another scenario.

I think that NU could have offered to meet SW at the doctor's office to help with the kids and for moral support like a good friend would. That's how she knew SW missed her appt. That's why she showed up at the house. That's why she was concerned enough to use the code to try to get in. I think she may have known enough about their troubled marriage to have her antenna up with regard to CW. This is why she was so ready to call LE, and none of CWs b.s. was going to deter her from finding SW.

CW beat feet to get home and enter with LE. He was able to see the house through their eyes somewhat and gage what they may be thinking happened to SW, where they looked, what they looked at, the questions they asked, etc. CW was able to gain one night (Monday) alone in the house to work out a story, clean, dispose of evidence, and whatever. He must have felt he had things back under control at this point, enough to give tv interviews on his porch looking pretty calm, cool, and collected.

Sorry for the long post, just wanted to bounce these ideas off you all.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

No reasonable/basically normal parent would ever believe their adult child is capable of such a horrific act. I don't think one's first instinct is to doubt their child... unless there was prior history of troubled behavior. I truly wonder what was going through the minds of CW's family as this event unfolded.

 

[Barlow]

Is anyone watching Crime & Justice with Ashleigh Banfield? If so, what are your thoughts on what’s being said right now about Chris Watts?

 

[SheepMan]

It’s always caught me as strange why she was going to the doctors for a baby related checkup with her friend and not her husband. Could she have found out about he affair and have been going to have an abortion. Maybe the emotional conversation at 2 or 4 or 5 am was along the lines of “I know you are having an affair and by the way I’m getting rid of the baby tomorrow” speculation / my opinion / thoughts only