CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #13

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BingoBongo said:
Found this...not sure if it's okay to post link, but she is supposedly a reporter. If you look one of the two photos that the "HLN lover" gave as "proof", you'll note, as does this reporter, there is NO tat on the man's back...that photo is NOT proof that it's CW. The other photo is of CW, with what appears to be SW in the foreground. Since two people (CW and someone out of camera view except for arm) wearing purple, am thinking it's at a Lupus event?

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I wonder when CW got his back tattoo?
 
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What’s with people trying to make out that Shanann had issues? Good grief. Everybody has issues. She seems like she was a pretty normal woman, doing the best she can, being the best mom and wife she could, like anyone else.

I realize we are sleuthing on here, but sometimes some of the posts sound more like stalking, almost, with how closely some are scrutinizing the house and stuff.

Don’t come scrutinize my house. I suck at housecleaning, and I have all boys (and a husband) who also suck at housecleaning and two dogs who definitely suck at housecleaning. I’m sure it’s a disorder of some sort. Ha.
 
pocketaccent said:
Every time I see your post, my heart hurts a bit for that little cutie pie Cooper. I just wanna cuddle him so badly.
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Aww. Yes, little Cooper is in my heart too.

Cooper's murder was THE CASE for me. I drove 500 miles one-way to watch Ross Harris's sentencing. I sleuthed the work parking lot and the drive from Chik-Fil-a. I'm almost as dedicated to this one, but I'm not sure I could get to Colorado, unfortunately.
 
Talisman said:
I do agree to a point about seeing another side to CW. I think it was a recent revelation to Shanann. She also might have misread his Narcissistic/sociopathic traits.

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It seems like (imo) Shanann came from a good family, hard working, and honest & very loving. She might not have ever dealt with a CW type in a close relationship before. What can start as just being supportive of Narcissistic/Sociopaths partners leads you into a continuous 'job'. Hence Shanann always fluffing him up on Social Media. It's not fakery SM to Shanann - she's doing what she can to always 'help' CW. Because it's what partners do - I think Shanann was just carrying the load when she thought it was needed.

I hope I'm making sense. I'm envious of succinct posters! :)
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I think that is the understatement of the year in regards to her misreading his personality. For someone like me and I am going to guess SW as well as nothing has been written about either of her parents being abusive, these traits are absolutely foreign to you. Never met them and wouldn't recognize them if you had in fact. All she had to judge CW on would be her previous personal experiences and any gut feelings she may have had about him. In hindsight had she been allowed the luxury of living (sarc) and we asked her if there were any signs something was not right with him, she would be able to give us a laundry list of habits, incidents, idiosyncracies which taken individually would mean nothing but taken as a whole would have painted a much clearer picture of who he really was rather then who she thought he was.

Something I was struck by when listening to her testimonial when considering her chose of words, observing her overall demeanor and body language I came away with a strong impression of how simple she really was. I don't mean that as insult as in simple minded rather, uncomplicated and very easily read. To me anyway. I believe she was a very sincere woman and after viewing her tape saw the very real and vulnerable side of her. Whereas in the short snippets of tape she sounded like a very confident young woman after being able to watch 30 consecutive minutes of her unrehearsed speech, I saw other aspects of her not readily available in the short clips.

I was able to feel the tension she had in her life as well as possible fear in her voice and body language. She was not as nonchalant as I previously believed. Her sensitivity and gentleness came through very clearly. In her attempt to convince others of how to gain control of one's life I shook my head that she actually went outside to say her current chain of thought out loud. Prior to it she had touched on negativity but didn't really elaborate too much on it. When she whisked out to her back deck she revealed what I believe to be a very real aspect of her own life not only that day but MANY days in recent years. She discusses how one needs to tune out the negative aspects or NEGATIVE PEOPLE in their life and despite their words basically soldier on and move forward confident in your path. I can't recall verbatim how she said this all but at one point she even appears to want to say that she is feeling the same with CW but decides not to. I still need to watch it again but it did stand out to me right away. It was also VERY familiar to me to have to leave the room to discuss something honestly and openly which applies to your own partner. Something tells me more then once she accused him of being a very negative person and it was a real trigger for him, so much so she felt she needed to physically remove herself from his vacinity to keep him from hearing her even say the word.

So yes, there is imo some factual fluffery SW used in her posts that on the surface may have appeared to be outright lies if you believe as I do that CW is a negative and narcissistic person. However, I do not take it as an outright lie used to intentionally mislead people or even to inflect some false image of her perfect life, rather I see it as SW using the fluffery to once again stroke CW's very fragile ego by not stating the fact that she lived with the most negative person YET I MANAGE to have come this far. If I can you can. I think the girl is real and VERY open about who she is and does not fear showing her own imperfections but clearly has made a habit of making a conscious effort to protect her narcississtic husband's over inflated ego which is easily damaged. Big difference and is also indicative of a person who is very thoughtful and caring towards OTHER people who have NOT been so open about their weaknesses and faults rather choosing to mislead people about who they really are. Ya know like all their friends thinking he was a nice guy just quiet. Yep, I'm sure he was around THEM.

As I said earlier when I saw his mugshot. I literally said outloud "well Hello there Chris" because the mask was finally off for all to see his true self. Finally we were introduced to the angry, unhappy, negative individual that is actually quite menacing looking for a punk @ss. The very face he hid from everyone else. SW saw that face long before he killed her I will bet money on that. She went outside to finish her video to make sure she didn't say anything in earshot that would provoke a situation where she would once again see that face in HER face.
 
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rigsby2 said:
My apologies if this has been covered in the last gazillion posts...but do we know if he generally parked his work truck in the garage? If not, I am really curious if the neighbor's camera caught what time he pulled it into the garage...

Because I can't help but think he might have lost it getting the girls ready for bed. They were probably wired from the party. Maybe they wanted to wait up for mommy. Meanwhile he's anxious for time to himself to sext his AP or look at some *advertiser censored*. And he loses it with one of them. Maybe her sister witnesses it...The beds were unmade, but maybe he didn't make them while SW was away.

Are they already loaded in his truck long before SW gets home? During these hours, he's figured out where he wants to hide the bodies, planning ahead on how he is going to kill his wife, she'll never forgive him for what he's done. And anyway, he'd rather be single. Maybe fantasizing about his life as a single man. And she's so late it's messing up his plans.

Did he wait in the bedroom? She kicks off her shoes, puts her purse on the counter and sits on the couch to look at her phone. She's tired but not ready for bed. He calls down, are you coming to bed?

She peeks in the girls room on her way, sees them missing, but thinks maybe they're in the parents bed since they like to sleep there. She walks in, no girls. She asks him, where are the kids? He starts his story, their "emotional conversation". And he kills her.

The rest of his plans to have them 'disappear' are rushed because of her flight delay. And NU (thankfully!!) derailed the rest.
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Also a very plausible theory. Good theories tonight.
 
NCTeacher said:
Aww. Yes, little Cooper is in my heart too.

Cooper's murder was THE CASE for me. I drove 500 miles one-way to watch Ross Harris's sentencing. I sleuthed the work parking lot and the drive from Chik-Fil-a. I'm almost as dedicated to this one, but I'm not sure I could get to Colorado, unfortunately.
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I totally feel you, I was obsessed. I live in Marietta, GA, 15 minutes from where it all went down. I eat at that Chick-fil-A once a week. I have several friends who work at that Home Depot corporate office. I will never, ever forget it.

Does CW give you a Ross Harris vibe at all? With the double life and all. I feel they are eerily similar.
 
Kitagrl said:
What’s with people trying to make out that Shanann had issues? Good grief. Everybody has issues. She seems like she was a pretty normal woman, doing the best she can, being the best mom and wife she could, like anyone else.

I realize we are sleuthing on here, but sometimes some of the posts sound more like stalking, almost, with how closely some are scrutinizing the house and stuff.

Don’t come scrutinize my house. I suck at housecleaning, and I have all boys (and a husband) who also suck at housecleaning and two dogs who definitely suck at housecleaning. I’m sure it’s a disorder of some sort. Ha.
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Are you my long-lost twin because it sounds like we're living the EXACT same life. Husband, boys, dogs and all. Lol.
 
molly1255 said:
I've thought about this as well, and the scenario that fits for me is pure speculation, but it is what makes sense to me.

Some who were close to SW said she suspected an affair, and people who have these kind of suspicions often keep digging and looking until they figure it out. Perhaps SW found something that led her to the conclusion her entire marriage had been a fraud? I suspect the discovery may have been made or confirmed when she was in Arizona, because of the timing of everything that happened, JMO.

JMO, it is possible that CW knew SW had found something, or she may have called him and confronted him with what she had found. JMO, she may have told him she wanted a divorce and that she was going to expose his secret.

JMO, perhaps the marriage had been a fraud and to him, SW and the little girls had served a purpose, and that purpose was to provide him with a very specific image that he felt he needed to have. Perhaps the jig was up and he knew it and he knew he was about to be exposed.

A scenario like this explains what happened - at least to me. All JMO.
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The picture of SW in AZ having dinner with her friends...I don’t know why, maybe because she was feeling sick, but she looks sad.
 
gitana1 said:
That's what is so scary and intriguing about a case like this. Happy family. Seems like they're doing well. In love.

The thought that anyone could be unknowingly sleeping with the enemy is terrifying.
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And I think that that is why so many are quick to victim blame. They can remove that threat from themselves because they would do nothing to cause it.
 
keepitsimplestupid said:
I totally feel you, I was obsessed. I live in Marietta, GA, 15 minutes from where it all went down. I eat at that Chick-fil-A once a week. I have several friends who work at that Home Depot corporate office. I will never, ever forget it.

Does CW give you a Ross Harris vibe at all? With the double life and all. I feel they are eerily similar.
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I'm in Lawrenceville! Hi neighbor!
 
keepitsimplestupid said:
I totally feel you, I was obsessed. I live in Marietta, GA, 15 minutes from where it all went down. I eat at that Chick-fil-A once a week. I have several friends who work at that Home Depot corporate office. I will never, ever forget it.

Does CW give you a Ross Harris vibe at all? With the double life and all. I feel they are eerily similar.
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He reminds me more of RH than he reminds me of Drew Peterson. Or do I mean Scott? Dammit, I can never remember which is which.
 
keepitsimplestupid said:
I totally feel you, I was obsessed. I live in Marietta, GA, 15 minutes from where it all went down. I eat at that Chick-fil-A once a week. I have several friends who work at that Home Depot corporate office. I will never, ever forget it.

Does CW give you a Ross Harris vibe at all? With the double life and all. I feel they are eerily similar.
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As more and more stuff is surfacing, yes. I'm shocked though, because initially, I wouldn't have pegged CW as an RH type. CW seems more aloof and shy, while RH was outgoing and confident.

Makes me think the weight loss opened up a narcissistic side in CW that was kept at bay.
 
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