Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #24

[Jennifer17]

I'm kinda with you, Tippy. It’s logical to me that CW killed his family; I think he did, with 99.9% certainty. But if I were on a jury, I’d need solid evidence to convict him of first degree murder; more than I’ve seen thus far.

We don’t even have a cause of death.

What evidence would you need?

 

[maeleemae]

Needing more facts before convicting CW for murdering his 2 daughters seems to be a wrong and unreasonable opinion to many of the posters on this thread. This is JMO and I'm sorry if I've offended anyone. Even if I'm not posting I'll still be following along.

I’m certain that I’ve offended posters with my “SW was controlling” posts even though I believe CW killed them all. I hope you don’t stop posting! I enjoy reading opposing views!

 

[MassGuy]

I'm kinda with you, Tippy. It’s logical to me that CW killed his family; I think he did, with 99.9% certainty. But if I were on a jury, I’d need solid evidence to convict him of first degree murder; more than I’ve seen thus far.

We don’t even have a cause of death.

No one is asking you to convict him. But with everything taken as a whole, the evidence we have right now is incredibly compelling.

The physical evidence, once revealed, may prove to be the nail in his coffin.

 

[Jennifer17]

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Respectfully, people disagreeing is not ridicule.

 

[esmerelda]

Has there ever been a pregnant woman who's killed her children in vengeance against her partner? Not that I'm saying it's impossible, I just think she wouldn't be able to, hormones, lack of focus, tiredness, more tearful than feisty?
I don't where I'm going with this, I'll research later for some statistics.

THIS!!! Please tell me how logical this is, that SW was able to strangle her 2 children while pregnant w another. IDKW this thought never occurred to me, but IMO it's not even in the realm of possibility.[/QUOTE]
And I don't mean in a physical sense. If she did this out of spite, reaction to affair...she is carrying another one. I don't see it

 

[gitana1]

I'm kinda with you, Tippy. It’s logical to me that CW killed his family; I think he did, with 99.9% certainty. But if I were on a jury, I’d need solid evidence to convict him of first degree murder; more than I’ve seen thus far.

We don’t even have a cause of death.

Of course. I mean I'm making some small assumptions here. Such as the COD when you find two bodies of two little girls who were seen healthy and alive just a few days earlier, found concealed in oil tanks and a dad who admitted to putting them there after his wife strangled them, and when you find the body of a woman who was seen healthy and alive just a couple days earlier, buried in a shallow grave, by a husband who admitted to putting her there after strangling her, I'm thinking we can safely assume that COD is going to be homicide.

But if you mean manner of death, we often don't have that in successful murder prosecutions. Heck, occasionally we don't even have bodies.

 

[katydid23]

Needing more facts before convicting CW for murdering his 2 daughters seems to be a wrong and unreasonable opinion to many of the posters on this thread. This is JMO and I'm sorry if I've offended anyone. Even if I'm not posting I'll still be following along.

It is totally fine to express your opinion that you need more facts before making up your mind.

Just as it is fine for others to say they've seen enough to form their opinion.

Both POVs are Okay.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I'm kinda with you, Tippy. It’s logical to me that CW killed his family; I think he did, with 99.9% certainty. But if I were on a jury, I’d need solid evidence to convict him of first degree murder; more than I’ve seen thus far.

We don’t even have a cause of death.

Thank you @Starkville I appreciate it.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Respectfully, people disagreeing is not ridicule.

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[MsBetsy]

Needing more facts before convicting CW for murdering his 2 daughters seems to be a wrong and unreasonable opinion to many of the posters on this thread. This is JMO and I'm sorry if I've offended anyone. Even if I'm not posting I'll still be following along.

I don't think needing more facts is seen as unreasonable at all! In fact it would be great if there were more facts. It's just that we don't have many things to make us believe he did not, in fact, murder his family. Everything we have to go on points to his being guilty. Since we don't have any evidence that leads us to believe his story is true, that is the only assumption some can make at this point. Until we have reason to believe otherwise, what else is there to conclude? It's not that it is wrong to need more facts, in fact I have no doubt that people would welcome any new information we can get. I'm sure everyone would agree that the more facts, the better. But what we know so far is the only thing we have to go by..... jmo

 

[cailleach]

No one is asking you to convict him. But with everything taken as a whole, the evidence we have right now is incredibly compelling.

The physical evidence, once revealed, may prove to be the nail in his coffin.

I said as much a day or two ago. While the DA's job is seek all of the available information and evidence that's germane to the case (even what may not ultimately benefit them [before someone feels compelled to say we don't know what the forensics say for sure at this moment]), in representing the State of CO they've agreed with LE that the bulk of data at this point gives every indication that's he's guilty of every charge as written. They've brought the charges knowing everything we know and then some as they aren't required to show the public their full hand at this time.

 

[MyBelle]

Agree they probably will be able to make a determination. I am curious as to why they waited so long to request them though.

LE waited until the DNA results were back, imo. The DNA that wasn't going to be collected until the PD filed a motion to make sure it was collected. Now, the DA has to rule in or out whether CW is a match. If it rules CW out as the girls' killer, I think the PD will request a preliminary hearing. JMO

Needing more facts before convicting CW for murdering his 2 daughters seems to be a wrong and unreasonable opinion to many of the posters on this thread. This is JMO and I'm sorry if I've offended anyone. Even if I'm not posting I'll still be following along.

You certainly have not offended me!

 

[MsBetsy]

I'm kinda with you, Tippy. It’s logical to me that CW killed his family; I think he did, with 99.9% certainty. But if I were on a jury, I’d need solid evidence to convict him of first degree murder; more than I’ve seen thus far.

We don’t even have a cause of death.

There have been cases in which a jury has made a decision based on circumstantial
evidence alone, but I have a feeling there will be plenty of evidence in this case when all is said and done. Jmo

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Its okay Tippy. We still love you.

Thanks @DexterMorgan

 

[katydid23]

Respectfully speaking.
This is all IMO, JMO.
Believe me I've been ridiculed to no end for my posts and IMO most people who are thinking along the same lines as I am will likely agree. Being in the minority on this thread isn't fun and no mater how many times we're told it's okay to have your own opinions - it's really not.

ETA & RBBM - Being told I don't have a reasonable mind is insulting, but it seems to be acceptable to post if you're in the majority.
Again, respectfully speaking and JMO

This is a discussion board. We are all discussing, very passionately, a very serious situation.

So of course, it might not be 'fun' to be arguing the minority opinion at this time. That's what happens when we go against the grain. People are vocal and feelings get hurt. I may have missed it, but haven't seen anyone actually ridiculed. Questioned, pressured, and maybe put on the spot. But ridiculed? I am not sure I agree.

 

[MyBelle]

I'm kinda with you, Tippy. It’s logical to me that CW killed his family; I think he did, with 99.9% certainty. But if I were on a jury, I’d need solid evidence to convict him of first degree murder; more than I’ve seen thus far.

We don’t even have a cause of death.

Very true.

 

[Hazelnutty]

@Whiskers16 , Welcome to the fray. We're glad to have you.

 

[gitana1]

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Ma'am I just stated the exact opposite of what you claim. I stated that reasonable minds will differ. Which is a saying that means that people with reasonable minds can have different opinions and come to different opinions.

So I am saying you have a reasonable mind as do I.

You know I really I try my best to be as respectful as possible of other people's opinions and though I am blunt at times I sure try to not be rude.

P.S. I've actually felt in the minority myself here in the face of an onslaught of posts criticizing and casting aspersions on the character of a dead woman. Those have seemed to outweigh the number that feel she was a normal wife and mother.

 

[cailleach]

One thing that I've been thinking about recently aside from hard facts and a desire to know everything we're able to at this juncture, is how I personally don't feel a need to adore every single thing about SW in order to view her as the victim of a heinous crime. I'm not a fan of victim slamming overall but I also don't need to have liked or even understand every single thing about how she conducted herself on SM. I don't even understand the reason why my personal family and friends make every.single.post but I'm good with that.

 

[MerryB]

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Respectfully, I have to disagree. I’m not sure if you’re referencing me, but The only time I have used that phrase is to caution people - in the general sense - to listen to all information, not just that which supports the favored theory. I *completely* understand why people would think C.W. killed them all - and I don’t necessarily disagree with them. I just need to see more evidence before reaching that conclusion for myself. Still so many unknowns right now, hoping many questions will be answered later on.

I used that phrase, too @Amandaaa , and I feel the exact same way.