Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #33

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I’d argue that dumping them in oil shows the same disregard that he had for them in life, as in death.

Contorting their bodies just adds to that a little.

I think it adds to that A LOT. When I experimented with the flan tin over my head, there was such little room left over that I'm sure there would have been broken bones. It's just plain monstrous. You wouldn't expect this in a gruesome horror movie let alone your little girls who looked up to you and loved you.
 
I agree. IMO it wasn't just that he didn't want to pay alimony or child support or whatever-I think he literally wanted them gone, out of the picture as though they never existed. I believe he thought of them as objects. When you're finished with something you no longer want, you toss it. He was finished and ready to move on so he got rid of them. He didn't think about how that would hurt them, much less how it would hurt other people, because I believe he genuinely wasn't thinking of them as human beings at that point-just "things" in his way.

Exactly, he wanted a new life where none of them existed. In a perfect world he would have received the sympathy for his family abandoning him and he would look like the "good guy" he believes himself to be.

I was watching the AB show last night and couldn't believe what he would have had to do to those little girls to get them in the tanks. Truly sickening. Am I remembering incorrectly that they were placed in separate tanks? Forgive me if this has been answered recently but I am at work and have only limited time to sneak on here and read a few posts at a time. ;)
 
I wonder if, later, we'll learn that SW said something to NUA that had her worried. Something even jokingly like, "I feel like there's going to be an argument when I get home. If you can't get in touch with me then call the police, ha ha." Or something to that effect. In a SM post, NUA said there was a lot more to the story, but that she couldn't talk about it yet. I expect something else, another smoking gun, to emerge.

Hopefully we will find out those details.
 
I wonder if, later, we'll learn that SW said something to NUA that had her worried. Something even jokingly like, "I feel like there's going to be an argument when I get home. If you can't get in touch with me then call the police, ha ha." Or something to that effect. In a SM post, NUA said there was a lot more to the story, but that she couldn't talk about it yet. I expect something else, another smoking gun, to emerge.
If I knew my hubby was cheating and we were heading for a divorce I would tell my bf everything I think. If I was knowingly walking into a stressful situation I would tell my bf. I would also, as a bf check up on my friend and call the police if I couldn't get ahold of her, knowing the volatile situation at hand.
 
Wow, those are all great points, esp about NUA listening to her instincts. I’ve wondered how she knew to go over there so soon after SW went missing. I’m sure this has been discussed before but is she one of SW’s friends who knew she was concerned about a possible affair? Did she go to SW’s house because SW wasn’t feeling well during the trip and she wasn’t answering her text messages? Did I read somewhere that NUA was supposed to be meeting SW at her doctor’s appointment? If not, I wonder if she called the doctor’s office from SW’s front porch to see if she’d been to her appointment that morning. She was such a good friend.

Didn't NUA say that SW always texted her good morning and also would normally be chatting about the trip/conference that she had just returned from? But NUA didn't hear from SW that morning at all. I think that fact plus NUA knowing she missed the ultrasound appointment had NUA knowing something was very wrong. I think it was as simple as she knew her friend and knew she wouldn't just stop communicating or decide to skip a dr appointment and not tell anyone. MOO.
 
I'm still wondering about WHY the murders were committed on that particular day. Was something about to hit the fan? Why that particular night, when he didn't have a lot of time to work with?

The more I think about it, I think that her getting pregnant, if he was already having the affair, was when he started thinking about it. Like "how am I going to explain this to the AP?" If he wasn't already having an affair when she got pregnant, I think after it started up and some time with the AP, those 5 weeks they were gone his feelings maybe got stronger for the AP and in his mind he needed to figure out how navigate it. The AP might have given him an ultimatum or SW being pregnant, finances, AP, etc, it was all too much pressure and he just wanted to be with the AP so here we are. I think it was pre meditated and that night was the last chance, I wonder if the gender reveal party that was supposed to be that next weekend, if he felt like he needed to do it before then. All MOO...
 
The first year of our oldest child's life, my husband and I did nothing but fight about who was doing more. He always overestimated his end. He'd say, "I was up with him for 4 hours last night!" When it was really only about 25 minutes.I always hated it when people would use the phrase "helping out" in reference to husbands/fathers doing housework or childcare. "It's so good that he helps you out", ie. It's an equal partnership; IMO the woman shouldn't automatically be viewed as the responsible party for these things.
This is the story of my life. I am taken for granted so bad that it hurts.
I hope that SW had some sort of happiness in her short life (I know she had the girls) other than making her husband 5 weeks of meals. Nobody deserves what happened to her, this case is really impacting me - it could happen to any of us. Marriage is one of the hardest things I've ever encountered.
 
If I knew my hubby was cheating and we were heading for a divorce I would tell my bf everything I think. If I was knowingly walking into a stressful situation I would tell my bf. I would also, as a bf check up on my friend and call the police if I couldn't get ahold of her, knowing the volatile situation at hand.

I thought I'd do that as well but when my husband and I split up for a couple of months many years ago I acted like everything was as usual just in case we got back together. I thought that was easier than having to explain why we weren't together and then why we got back together. So many of my friends think we've had this wonderful marriage for 23 years. However, I did after we were back together tell one of my friends (not my closest either). Strange how we handle things differently than how we would have thought. Luckily my husband is a really good guy and didn't decide to kill me because no one would have ever suspected that anything was ever wrong.
 
The more I think about it, I think that her getting pregnant, if he was already having the affair, was when he started thinking about it. Like "how am I going to explain this to the AP?" If he wasn't already having an affair when she got pregnant, I think after it started up and some time with the AP, those 5 weeks they were gone his feelings maybe got stronger for the AP and in his mind he needed to figure out how navigate it. The AP might have given him an ultimatum or SW being pregnant, finances, AP, etc, it was all too much pressure and he just wanted to be with the AP so here we are. I think it was pre meditated and that night was the last chance, I wonder if the gender reveal party that was supposed to be that next weekend, if he felt like he needed to do it before then. All MOO...

Agreed. Deleting his FB is also a big 'time' in my eyes.
 
It doesn’t make any sense, does it?

A beautiful, loving, full-of-life, pregnant mama was senselessly MURDERED along with her two precious babies. Her family and friends are shattered and the world is horrified. And while we try to understand the depravity of it all, there are individuals out there who are actually stooping low enough to make baseless accusations about THE VICTIM’S housekeeping, her parenting methods, her health challenges and her home décor as if she was somehow responsible for her own death and the deaths of her children. That somehow a Thrive bar with coconut in it leads to motive. Give me a freaking break. It is a new low in my book. You don’t pick a suspect, dream up a scenario of how she could be guilty and invent and twist facts to solve a case. That is not how it works and any logical person with an ounce of common sense knows that. If that were the case, we could find anybody guilty of anything.

MOO

Yes, this.
 
I wonder if CW just ambushed SW as soon as she came upstairs and settled into the couch. I also think there was some fighting back as his neck illustrates something. It looks somewhat like a bite mark and one can't do that to themselves.
 
Didn't CW say that he backed up his truck to the garage to load up tools? I wonder if he used any of those tools to help him fit the girls bodies into the tanks. Gosh that hurts even thinking about it let alone typing it. :(

Yep. That’s a really difficult thing to even imagine. It’s probably why there was a heavy emphasis on CW possibly using the lower doors/the tanks not having oil in them. The more gruesome the reality of his disposal method becomes, the harder it is to think he was just so shocked and scared by what SW did, that he had no control over what he did next. Jmo.
 
Yes I am. Having the victim described as a bad mother repeatedly, a child abuser, when CW is the accused, is one thing but how can these remain once CW is proven to be the murderer of his daughters. Show me a thread where the victim is bashed like this?

Everybody has an opinion on how to 'mother'.
You can skip or put on ignore.

Almost EVERY big time murder case here has some victim 'questions' that don't quite resort to bashing... and when they occaisionally do-- Flourish is more than able to take care of the rascals. Both with words and actions.
 
AB 9/27/18
1. Revolting new details. Bodies were not discovered or recovered easily. Took close to 8 hours to get children out of oil tanks. Had to drain up to 700 barrels of oil. Guests, Professor Wesley Williams and Joe Scott Morgan, explain how children were put in and removed from tanks. Took a great deal of effort and technical knowledge to do this. Can’t see how C.W. pulled it off without thinking about it ahead of time. Because LE was trying to preserve forensic evidence they probably brought in a vacuum truck, works like a wet dry shop vac. Insert hose and drain. Have to empty oil before entering and opening hatch on side. Standard API12F tank design. There are Thief Hatches on tops of tanks, 8” in diameter, (very small) you can open and close them. Bottom of tank square opening is called Clean Out Manway, 2’ by 3’ rectangular port. Takes 64 bolts to open, but tank must be empty to open, or you leak oil all over the place. Thief hatches (8” wide) are designed to take a measurement of tank level. Children were found in tanks that were nearly full. At best that tanks were producing about 200 barrels per month. CW probably shifted oil from one tank to another in order to get girls in them. Requires knowledge and time to do it. If tanks were nearly full, estimating 500 gallons, it would take 3 months at 200 gallons per month to completely fill them up. Bodies wouldn’t have been discovered for at least 3 months. There is a pump that goes between the two tanks, CW could pump 1 tank into the other tank, and open the Clean Out Manway. No way could children fit in the Thief Hatch. CW left house at 5:30, it would take an hour each to empty each tank. (Using the pump between, not the vacuum truck.) Removing 128 bolts takes a lot of time. Because CW didn’t have enough time to do all this work, CW would have had to shoved them through the 8” Thief Hatches. Bodies had to have been manipulated (twisted and contorted) postmortem, in order to fit them through the 8” Thief Hatches. Rather gruesome task. When Jessica McClure fell into an oil well in 1987, that well was 8” wide, but Jessica McClure was 18 months old.
2. Guest, Police Officer, Sean Sticks Larkin explains that this situation is far from normal. Officers most important job is to contain the scene and to recover the evidence. If there’s no danger of evidence being contaminated, they call professionals for advice.
3. Guest, Wesley Williams, explains oil is fluid, flows quickly. Oil is not very difficult to remove from skin.
4. Yesterday, both SW’s mother and father were at SW’s house removing the belongings. SW’s brother and SW’s friend, Lauren Arnold, was there, too. This move was about removing memories. Children’s clothes and toys will be donated to local churches. Family heirloom pieces from SW’s side of family will be kept by family.
5. Social media has been ruthless and cruel to family and family is aware. Statement from family spokesperson. (See photo)
6. Guest Steve Helling from People Magazine agreed that people have been awful on Facebook.
7. Family stayed in a hotel, and besides removing articles from SW’s home, they attended a private memorial for SW at the Carbon Valley Rec Center. Watts family originally had family passes to rec center but they expired in March. SW’s mom, Sandy also visited with the District Attorney today. Family is part of the investigation.
8. New documents today. CW must turn over DNA and prints to DA.
9. Other evidence found at site according to Helling. Bag was marked Evidence #26, that means 25 pieces of evidence came before it. Most we don’t know about.
10. Autopsies will remain private for now. When they are completed they will be handed over to Defense, and Court will make decision to make them public.
11. Guest, Defense Attorney, David Beller, explained Defense Attorneys are doing own investigation with information that is available to them now.
12. SW’s Mom’s meetings with Prosecutor is fulfilling Colorado State Law. Prosecutors must keep family up to date on all aspects of case, every step. In the end, Prosecutors will likely ask SW’s family what they want to see happen. Do they want a trial, do they not want a trial?
Viewer Question
1. Will attorneys ever offer a plea deal where C.W. will be required to tell full, honest truth of his motive and exactly what really happened, and in return they would take the death penalty off the table? It happens. Plea discussions happen all the time. Conversations start early. Yes, they could make such a bargain, but it doesn’t happen often. Since Defense doesn’t have any discovery, they don’t know what they’re up against, so they’re not talking plea, yet.
2. When do you believe we will see autopsy results, forensics, and an actual trial on Chris Watts? Beller said, It’s going to be a long time, at least a year. AB agreed, and added if it’s going to be a Death Penalty case, 3 years. Elizabeth Smart case took 10 years to bring justice.
3. Do you think the family has come back to be told some things in person before autopsy is made public? The DA may want to spare family shocking details before public? Prosecutors do work with family, they do tell them things before public. Guest, Sea Sticks Larkin explained, DA offices have Victim Witness Centers. Advocates deal directly with family. A case of the magnitude will offer family support, so family is not blindsided in public. Sometimes these situations are hard on LE, there are counselors to help LE, as well.
Thanks for the update, he truly is a monster, I hope he gets the DP but has to wait at least fourth years in solitary confinement for it. What those poor babies must have went through doesn’t bare thinking about. When I first started reading these threads I had a tiny thought that maybe C.W. isn’t a monster and he just “snapped” under the weight of too much stress but every update I’ve read has made me realise how sick and empty he is inside. Evil.
 
Yes I am. Having the victim described as a bad mother repeatedly, a child abuser, when CW is the accused, is one thing but how can these remain once CW is proven to be the murderer of his daughters. Show me a thread where the victim is bashed like this?


Just wanted to check if that was serious or tongue in cheek. Seems rather audacious and overstepping, but that's up to Tricia, not me, but just wow.
 
I wonder if, later, we'll learn that SW said something to NUA that had her worried. Something even jokingly like, "I feel like there's going to be an argument when I get home. If you can't get in touch with me then call the police, ha ha." Or something to that effect. In a SM post, NUA said there was a lot more to the story, but that she couldn't talk about it yet. I expect something else, another smoking gun, to emerge.
We still don't know if there was a conversation between the 2, re CW possibly saying she couldn't speak to the kids that Sunday night via telephone. If so, that, plus SW's disappearance from texting in the a.m. and not attending the Dr appointment could have led to quite a fire alarm in NUAs head, and then she sees the car still there.....
 
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