Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #51

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Yes, it is scary. Her testimony at trial would have been extremely damning.
  • He said he was separated and at the end of divorce proceedings.
  • He told her the mutual divorce was almost final, and they were working out financial details.
  • At the end of July, he called to tell her that his divorce was final.
  • He asked her to help him find an apartment that would be good for him and his daughters
  • On Aug 13, he texted her to say that he had been busy. They chatted like normal throughout the day.
  • At 3:45 he texted her that his family was "gone."
  • He appeared nonchalant and emotionless.
  • She peppered her boyfriend with questions but said he would try to change the subject.
  • And more... :eek:
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I think she may be a big reason that he decided to plead guilty.
 
A few statements from Mrs. Watts in the extended interview that caught my attention for various reasons:

The reporter did ask Mrs W. if CW played sports - so that is what prompted her to talk about CW’s love of sports and what sports he played and from what years, etc.

I can understand why she feels that there was nothing that could have predicted how this could have ever happened. Although she says she “never in a million years could have seen anything like this happening to him.” (As opposed to “by him.”)

“She [SW] always said a lot of things about Chris, in front of me, that I didn’t like." [Such as] "He looks like a skater boy.”

When the reporter asked about SW’s pregnancy and if CW was excited:
“No. I don’t think he was. I think it was a shock.”

When her husband called to say SW and the girls were missing, she said:
“I thought - I don’t believe it. I didn’t believe they were missing. I believe that she was going to punish Chris. She was just going to punish him, take the girls, and just punish him.” and “I was not worried. I just thought Shanann had run off. With the girls.”

When CW called his parents:
Mrs. W. asked, “Do you want us to come down now?”
CW said, “Tell Dad I need him. Tell Dad I need him to come down.”
Mrs W. said, “What about me?”
CW said, “No mom, just stay.”

Mrs W. said CW picked up his father from the airport and they drove to the police station and CW didn’t say anything to him. (That sounded believable imo.)

It does sound like she has tried hard to look back and see if there were any signs she should have picked up on. And that she is still not seeing any, other than he was quiet and somewhat socially awkward. I felt sympathy for her. I (imo) don’t think he showed signs or that it’s her fault. And in recent years, she said she only saw them about twice a year. (And to me, SW left the girls in his care that weekend and didn’t feel the girls were in danger.)

Mrs. W. sounds really, really stuck on the fact that CW told his father he didn’t do this and then the next thing they knew, he was taking a plea. It seems like that is supporting her magical thinking that maybe he didn’t do this. She so has a need to hear from him that he did what he is pleading to. I think she would believe it if he told her directly. (Justify it by what had triggered it, but believe it.)

His public defender said they could talk to CW after sentencing, but she is afraid that will be too late if he tells them after the fact that he took a plea but “really” didn’t do it.

I feel for her when I see how much she’s struggling to accept this. She truly needs this spelled out to her by CW that this is the truth. Otherwise, she is grasping to the hope that she doesn’t have to believe this. “Because he told his dad he didn’t do it.” She is stuck on that.

She also said that the public defenders told her they don't know what happened - only CW knows what happened. Based on that, she wants to conclude that what he said in the affidavit has to be the true story. But she does concede that they told her they would defend him if he wanted to go forward, but he didn’t want to go forward.

Her comments about SW sound bitter and spiteful, but I do sympathize for how conflicted she feels about her son pleading guilty to these crimes. It's like as long as she only has to think it's a "plea" - a concession he made in order to avoid the death penalty, she's in denial that he is admitting that he is guilty. She also doesn’t grasp that parents of adults don’t get to meddle in a criminal case and participate in his strategy talks.

Everything IMO.
 
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The pregnancy video was filmed on June 11th. Right around this time according to NK, he introduced himself in the middle of June and told her he was at end of their divorce proceedings. He was truely living 2 different lives. He was a single man for 6 weeks and all his lies to NK were blowing up with SW back in town for good.

What SW walked into that night I can’t even imagine.
 
Wait...I thought the defense 'destroyed' that letter....how'd they get it back?

Good Question!

If we take them at their own word, the letter they intend to submit for analysis can only be a copy of the alleged original which was allegedly 'destroyed' by the defense.

I have no idea what they intend to do with the resulting analysis [which will be almost useless as it's not an original document or even been notarized as a genuine copy of an original document] but let's say they think it could be submitted to Court as evidence in an appeal process...

Jodi Arias tried a similar stunt with a document with similar [lack of] provenance, IIRC, and it was swatted aside by the Judge with barely a glance.
 
I really question my own sanity each time I listen to that drivel. Here I am old, and should be spending my time on AARP bulletins. One of them went on and on about the terrible violent DEADLY fight between CW/SW saying over and over it was a real "TEMPEST IN A TEAPOT". I knew something was wacko with that usage:

A Tempest in a Teapot means "a small event that has been exaggerated out of proportion." (Wiki)
Or "A small or unimportant event that is over-reacted to, as if it were of considerably more consequence."
'Tempest in a teapot' - the meaning and origin of this phrase
What is wrong with these people? I haven't listened to a word but from what I have gathered from reading about it is they seem to be a bunch of ignorant, narrow-minded, attention seeking, gossiping hens stirring up a ruckus in the henhouse. Just a bunch of noise. I'm not sure I believe anything they say... although I am a little curious to hear the one with the grating voice.
 
I'm still confused about something. The Watts' parents attorney filed an Entry of Appearance. But they don't have anything to do with the case, so what was the intention? I could speculate to ask more questions but none of them make sense. Mom Watts hasn't made a lot of sense with her decisions, but a private attorney would, you'd think. If it was accepted, what would that have meant? Help for the legalese clueless here please? Thanks! @gitana1

As for the victim statements, I can't imagine. I hope like heaven they don't trash SW more, but I'm not holding my breath. Maybe their attorney will advise on what they should and shouldn't say. Fingers crossed for that.

Is his sister considered a victim and immediate family of the girls, or does she not get to speak?

Edited to add, does his family get to make statements requesting leniency during sentencing, or does that not apply because he took a plea?
 
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What is wrong with these people? I haven't listened to a word but from what I have gathered from reading about it is they seem to be a bunch of ignorant, narrow-minded, attention seeking, gossiping hens stirring up a ruckus in the henhouse. Just a bunch of noise. I'm not sure I believe anything they say... although I am a little curious to hear the one with the grating voice.
Noooooo. Don't do it!!!! Save your eardrums!
 
Good Question!

If we take them at their own word, the letter they intend to submit for analysis can only be a copy of the alleged original which was allegedly 'destroyed' by the defense.

I have no idea what they intend to do with the resulting analysis [which will be almost useless as it's not an original document or even been notarized as a genuine copy of an original document] but let's say they think it could be submitted to Court as evidence in an appeal process...

Jodi Arias tried a similar stunt with a document with similar [lack of] provenance, IIRC, and it was swatted aside by the Judge with barely a glance.
Well, that letter that Jodi Arias had was thoroughly examined and analyzed by experts before it was determined not to be allowed in court. The handwriting did actually have many similarities. But is this letter that CW supposedly wrote in his handwriting? I thought it was typed on his mothers computer. To me it is just evidence that he had planned this murder by the time he wrote it. It can't possibly serve any other purpose than that, Imo. But I would still like to see it.
 
If this had been her first interview, I would have perceived her differently. I have never expected her to quit loving her son. Nor did I expect her to pretend to like Shanann. I did expect her to have some respect. She is wrong when she said, people don't understand why I love my son.I think everyone understands the love of a mother. That has never been my issue. My issue has always been that she places ALL the blame on Shanann. There are lots of unhappy marriages, that isn't a reason to kill. No matter how horrible she thought Shanann was, her son proved to be worse.


Maybe it is all sinking in. I wish it had or she had handled it better before, because those other interviews have hurt her reputation. IMO Shame on those people for using a mother's pain. I still will never understand why her husband didn't stop her and if he couldn't he shouldn't have taken part.

Now if she comes out with any thing else bad about Shanann...the sympathy is gone.
It disturbs me that Cindy held a memorial service for Bella and CeCe with no mention of Shanann. She said she told CW about it during their 30 minute prison visit, and he asked which pictures of the girls she used at the memorial, and what song was played, thereby encouraging continued condemnation and exclusion of Shanann. Shanann didn’t do anything wrong! He murdered her! No one in that family cares if Shanann is dead! They think she deserved to die.
 
I’m glad the AP has spoken up and set the record straight, it proves what a liar and murderer CW is and that the AP was not involved in any way. She did the right thing, good for her. As for CW, he was prepared to murder his family for the sake of a woman he’d only known two months..... says everything about him IMO.
 
Yes, it is scary. Her testimony at trial would have been extremely damning.
  • He said he was separated and at the end of divorce proceedings.
  • He told her the mutual divorce was almost final, and they were working out financial details.
  • At the end of July, he called to tell her that his divorce was final.
  • He asked her to help him find an apartment that would be good for him and his daughters
  • On Aug 13, he texted her to say that he had been busy. They chatted like normal throughout the day.
  • At 3:45 he texted her that his family was "gone."
  • He appeared nonchalant and emotionless.
  • She peppered her boyfriend with questions but said he would try to change the subject.
  • And more... :eek:
MOO
And that's all that has been released so far.
 
It disturbs me that Cindy held a memorial service for Bella and CeCe with no mention of Shanann. She said she told CW about it during their 30 minute prison visit, and he asked which pictures of the girls she used at the memorial, and what song was played, thereby encouraging continued condemnation and exclusion of Shanann. Shanann didn’t do anything wrong! He murdered her! No one in that family cares if Shanann is dead! They think she deserved to die.

Wait - she held her own memorial service for the children, apart from the "official" one by Shanann's family?
 
A few statements from Mrs. Watts in the extended interview that caught my attention for various reasons:

The reporter did ask Mrs W. if CW played sports - so that is what prompted her to talk about CW’s love of sports and what sports he played and from what years, etc.

I can understand why she feels that there was nothing that could have predicted how this could have ever happened. Although she says she “never in a million years could have seen anything like this happening to him.” (As opposed to “by him.”)

“She [SW] always said a lot of things about Chris, in front of me, that I didn’t like." [Such as] "He looks like a skater boy.”

When the reporter asked about SW’s pregnancy and if CW was excited:
“No. I don’t think he was. I think it was a shock.”

When her husband called to say SW and the girls were missing, she said:
“I thought - I don’t believe it. I didn’t believe they were missing. I believe that she was going to punish Chris. She was just going to punish him, take the girls, and just punish him.” and “I was not worried. I just thought Shanann had run off. With the girls.”

When CW called his parents:
Mrs. W. asked, “Do you want us to come down now?”
CW said, “Tell Dad I need him. Tell Dad I need him to come down.”
Mrs W. said, “What about me?”
CW said, “No mom, just stay.”

Mrs W. said CW picked up his father from the airport and they drove to the police station and CW didn’t say anything to him. (That sounded believable imo.)

It does sound like she has tried hard to look back and see if there were any signs she should have picked up on. And that she is still not seeing any, other than he was quiet and somewhat socially awkward. I felt sympathy for her. I (imo) don’t think he showed signs or that it’s her fault. And in recent years, she said she only saw them about twice a year. SW left the girls in his care that weekend. She didn’t feel the girls were in danger.

She sounds really, really stuck on the fact that CW told his father he didn’t do this and then the next thing they knew, he was taking a plea. It seems like that is supporting her magical thinking that maybe he didn’t do this. She so has a need to hear from him that he did what he is pleading to. I think she would believe it if he told her directly. (Justify it by what had triggered it, but believe it.)

His public defender said they could talk to CW after sentencing, but she is afraid that will be too late if he tells them after the fact that he took a plea but “really” didn’t do it.

I feel for her when I see how much she’s struggling to accept this. She truly needs this spelled out to her by CW that this is the truth. Otherwise, she is grasping to the hope that she doesn’t have to believe this. “Because he told his dad he didn’t do it.” She is stuck on that.

She also said that the public defenders told her they don't know what happened - only CW knows what happened. Based on that, she wants to conclude that what he said in the affidavit has to be the true story. But she does concede that they told her they would defend him if he wanted to go forward, but he didn’t want to go forward.

Her comments about SW sound bitter and spiteful, but I do sympathize for how conflicted she feels about her son pleading guilty to these crimes. It's like as long as she only has to think it's a "plea" - a concession he made in order to avoid the death penalty, she's in denial that he is admitting that he is guilty. She also doesn’t grasp that parents of adults don’t get to meddle in a criminal case and participate in his strategy talks.

Everything IMO.
I also noticed "happened to him", passive, to erase culpability.
Don't they live in NC? Why would she refer to the Denver area as "down", as in should we go down there?
I already mentioned the skater boy shirt comment was some 7 years ago, before they were married according to the VI Trinket78. And you also point out that they only saw SW 2 times a year, so really, SW always referred to that shirt? Weird. I don't believe it.

I think some of these relatives of mass criminals just have to work out their angst in public. Others do it in private. I'd like to think I would be the second type, I can't imagine myself attacking victims to ease my own grief, but who knows.

ETA I don't believe he drove his Dad from the Denver airport to Frederick without talking.
 
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Great post! Thanks.
{{{SCARY!}}}

I am concerned because one can obviously date someone and not know everything about him, but I am more concerned because one can live for 5 years with a man, have two kids with him and be on the way to have the third one, and have no clue what the guy is capable of.

How we as women protect ourselves from situations like this?
 
I’m glad the AP has spoken up and set the record straight, it proves what a liar and murderer CW is and that the AP was not involved in any way. She did the right thing, good for her. As for CW, he was prepared to murder his family for the sake of a woman he’d only known two months..... says everything about him IMO.
I don't think she was the only motive, but gave him the motivation to go through with it. I could be wrong but I believe he wanted be rid of them anyway. He may have been waiting until he had a replacement. Imo
 
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