GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #60

[Seattle1]

@Noreen McGurl said: ↑
She's so wanted shannan and the girls to say in North Carolina she had a feeling and was so close with her daughter my heart breaks

I think that is Mother Watts, isn't it?

Yes, that is "Mimi" (Cindy) in the video.

 

[riolove77]

Check out the comment Shanann's mom wrote on this video

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154237297441935

Bella was really just a mini CW in the face. How could he

 

[Jennifer17]

Yeah I think that /is/ the Watts Grandma? And I just see a grandmother excited to see her grandchildren and its a very sad situation all around to me. I have so many older people in my family that are far too casual and blaise about childproofing for my taste and I can honestly see them brushing things off or not taking allergies that seriously without being outright hatefully trying to endanger a grandkid as I guess some are accusing her of?

She wasn't just careless. She knowingly exposed that child to nuts because she wanted to prove SW wrong.

 

[MassGuy]

Has there been any official statement about more info being released? I keep seeing people talking about it, but can't seem to find the source.
Tia!

((Please delete if this isn't allowed))

This is the source. Should be any day now.

Documents show investigators were closing in before Christopher Watts confession

 

[stereopticons]

@stereopticons Thank you, very helpful. Not going to ask you to diagnose him but from your experiences what is it that makes a seemingly caring, kind and submissive person do this then? I can't imagine that it just came out of nowhere

I think that's what we all wonder with family annihilators. It always seems to come from nowhere. I think it's a combination of a lot of things--I expect that while he was submissive to women (SW and his mother), he resented them (again, SW and his mother). He's probably never had to take responsibility for his actions. He probably also has limited emotions and ability for empathy. I think he's probably good at modeling caring parenting behavior without actually feeling it. Does that make sense? I would guess he modeled a lot of his behavior after SW's to make it seem like a good dad. Not actually feeling those emotions would make it a lot easier to kill those poor girls. I would guess that he also blames SW and in some ways, NK for his actions. In some way, he may feel that NK spurred him to do this because it was the only way they could be together.

This is an area of study with a huge amount of research and a lot of mixed conclusions. This is all speculation, but again, I think it's a combination of a lot of personality traits combined with events, like the relationship with NK and the conflict with SW and his parents.

 

[curiouschat]

She wasn't just careless. She knowingly exposed that child to nuts because she wanted to prove SW wrong.

Do we absolutely know that?

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I think that's what we all wonder with family annihilators. It always seems to come from nowhere. I think it's a combination of a lot of things--I expect that while he was submissive to women (SW and his mother), he resented them (again, SW and his mother). He's probably never had to take responsibility for his actions. He probably also has limited emotions and ability for empathy. I think he's probably good at modeling caring parenting behavior without actually feeling it. Does that make sense? I would guess he modeled a lot of his behavior after SW's to make it seem like a good dad. Not actually feeling those emotions would make it a lot easier to kill those poor girls. I would guess that he also blames SW and in some ways, NK for his actions. In some way, he may feel that NK spurred him to do this because it was the only way they could be together.

This is an area of study with a huge amount of research and a lot of mixed conclusions. This is all speculation, but again, I think it's a combination of a lot of personality traits combined with events, like the relationship with NK and the conflict with SW and his parents.

@stereopticons do you see any signs that CW is on the autism spectrum?

 

[Jennifer17]

Do we absolutely know that?

In light of all the nasty things that her family said about SW which included saying that she was lying about the girls and her own conditions, I think that we can come to our own conclusions about that incident.

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

Do we absolutely know that?

We absolutely do. This woman just wanted to show Shanann who’s boss.

 

[riolove77]

It seemed to me that CW presented himself to NK as a husband on his way out the door of his marriage, same story all cheaters tell. NK believed him. Then NK fell head over heels, but little by little realized CW wasn’t as footloose and fancy free as he initially said he was, he was very much in a committed relationship with his wife and family, same story for all cheaters. By this time NK wanted him all to herself, still believing him that SW was a horrible woman, it was all her fault, and she hated SW for making him so miserable, same story for all cheaters. Near the end NK was getting to the point where she was telling him to make a choice, either work on your marriage, or get yourself free. Same story for all cheaters. Some get themselves free, some don’t. The drama goes on and on, I’ve heard it a thousand times, but most cheaters don’t kill their families. I do think NK was a victim because CW lied to her over and over again. He was the one who broke his marriage vows, he was the one who killed his family. NK fell in love with him. Haven’t you ever had a friend who fell in love with a committed man? Same story, every time. But women continue to do it every day. They all think it’s going to work out differently for them.

My best friend is in this right now. It has been SIX YEARS and this guy also has two young kids - one conceived AFTER he started seeing my BFF. I have told her over and over and over again, very bluntly, what I think of him and her and the situation. But ultimately it's not my choice to make. The guy comes over every now and then and even HE knows how much I dislike him. Yet she still holds on to hope that he's going to leave her....after this case, I'm even more aggravated and concerned.

 

[Layla123]

She wasn't just careless. She knowingly exposed that child to nuts because she wanted to prove SW wrong.

I can’t imagine what she was thinking. Had to be absolutely zero respect for Shanann, and somehow related to believing Shanann was bi-polar/crazy and the nut allergy was just more of Shanann drama, but at the same time thinking she was a much better mother, she’d raised 2 kids, and she knew was best for her son’s babies.

 

[riolove77]

Me too. I think he just thought he should just act normal ( well, normal to him.) and probably figured if he was compliant and willing to do the polygraph they wouldn't suspect him.
His responses just seem so simple and childlike. ( I didn't do anything to make them disappear. I promise!)
He certainly did not do any research on detective work or interrogation. One of their first clues was probably his admitting that bringing up the separation may have caused her to run off, and he felt in some way responsible. When they explained the difference between physically making someone disappear or indirectly causing it, he says something like, yeah, I feel like a real ***hole or something like that.
People who kill family members often blame themselves indirectly, while trying to deceive investigators. They may say, if only I hadn't said that, maybe she wouldn't be dead right now. I feel like its my fault. When in reality they killed them. This must have been a huge red flag for them. One of many.
Imo

Yes, perhaps he should've spent less time Googling volcanos and the distance from the earth to the moon, and done some research into polygraphs instead. Not like that one search alone would've done him in, they had a million other pieces of evidence anyway.

 

[ksprincess]

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Wow I feel totally clueless right now. I haven't been following closely since it's my busy time at work but have been reading a little bit and was surprised to see so much negativity directed at NK but after reading this article I understand why, I had felt bad for her but no more.

 

[Layla123]

My best friend is in this right now. It has been SIX YEARS and this guy also has two young kids - one conceived AFTER he started seeing my BFF. I have told her over and over and over again, very bluntly, what I think of him and her and the situation. But ultimately it's not my choice to make. The guy comes over every now and then and even HE knows how much I dislike him. Yet she still holds on to hope that he's going to leave her....after this case, I'm even more aggravated and concerned.

There’s nothing you can say or do to help your friend, except to advise her to get counseling whenever you can, but she probably won’t listen. I can hear her now, “But I love him!”

 

[Seattle1]

Violet, so you saw the same post I did....
She also states that she was given information about the state of SWs body from the funeral home as well as "second hand" information from Frankie. I find it difficult to believe he would be willing to speak to the MRS folk, especially after what they've done to his sister. I feel like this funeral home employee should be out of his/her job.
This is bizarre. Why had he removed the attachment and how he reattached it without anyone noticing.

I recall MRS citing prior to autopsy release that SW body was bruised and battered or "bad shape." They further stated that these bruises supported the re-classed "domestic violence" charge in CW complaint (with SW the aggressor)!! Terrible stuff came from that podcast. MOO

 

[riolove77]

I can’t imagine what she was thinking. Had to be absolutely zero respect for Shanann, and somehow related to believing Shanann was bi-polar/crazy and the nut allergy was just more of Shanann drama, but at the same time thinking she was a much better mother, she’d raised 2 kids, and she knew was best for her son’s babies.

BBM. Yeah, some real winners she raised...

 

[MassGuy]

I can’t imagine what she was thinking. Had to be absolutely zero respect for Shanann, and somehow related to believing Shanann was bi-polar/crazy and the nut allergy was just more of Shanann drama, but at the same time thinking she was a much better mother, she’d raised 2 kids, and she knew was best for her son’s babies.

Yeah. Judging by her offspring, she had no right to tell anyone how to parent their kids.

 

[curiouschat]

We absolutely do. This woman just wanted to show Shanann who’s boss.

I just think that's a leap that it was all malicious. It may be true I just don't think we can say that beyond doubt, Even if she didn't believe the kid had peanut allergies (and is it really not just me that knows a lot of people especially of older generations who are suspicious of all the "newer" diagnoses?) I don't think that means she expected or wanted harm to come to the girls? Tons of mother in laws believe their daughter in laws are blowing things out of proportion or being too fussy or worried about things without being actively instrumental in getting them and all the kids murdered?

 

[mtnlites]

Do we absolutely know that?

She DID say that she did it so that the child could learn that she couldn't always have what she wanted.

This was a vindictive move, not a careless one.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I don't think that he did smother them with a pillow. He used his hands to cut off their breathing.

we'll have to agree to disagree. I've always agreed with the medical examiner months before it was announced.