GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #63

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Shannon Watts (strangled) & daughters Bella & CeCe (smothered)by Chris Watts. Watts pleads guilty and gets life without parole!


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Sad news ...

husband of the missing Frederick family has confessed to killing them and officials believe they know where the bodies are.

Husband of missing Frederick mom of 2 detained Sources: Husband of pregnant Frederick woman detained, has confessed to killing her and 2 daughters


CO - MEDIA, MAPS & TIMELINES - NO DISCUSSION - - Shanann Watts (34, dec.), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4

Link to WS post with 3 videos of CW's interviews

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Please continue the discussion here. NK has turned out not to be a victim, but you still cannot call her names or wish violence against her. Just refer to her as NK or Nichol. Name calling and wishing violence upon anyone violate TOS no matter who is being discussed. And do not sleuth her family.
 
I have just been putting together this list of 'potential' difficulties that CW 'may' have faced in childhood. This information is gleened from the information we have discussed so far. Please feel free to correct any information that maybe incorrect or add your own opinion/findings etc. Obviously we do not know these things definitively happened to CW, so they are suggestions of his potential upbringing (rather than fact).


Family enmeshment:

Signs we know of:
Mother over-involvement in CW life and relationship with SW.

Mother disrespects and undermines others beliefs/parenting techniques and boundaries (eg nut incident, comments about SW as a mother)

Power games with them both (e.g. wedding planning, not attending wedding or children's parties, nut incident),

Their identity as a family may be built upon their children’s success. Eg their talk on his past achievements (eg sports, nascar).

Threatened when CW married and moved across the country (eg CW responsible for dads increase in drinking, their comments about SW)

CW may have taken on a caretaker role towards RW’s drinking

Family dynamics look like they were built on power and submission, rather than equality and respect.


Effects of enmeshment on an adult: A failure to adequately develop an individual sense of identity and self-esteem, A difficulty regulating one’s own emotions, feeling controlled by others causing them to emotionally withdraw, negatively affect on relationships, difficulty developing appropriate and balanced friendships and difficulties with trust outside immediate family, fear of intimacy as relationships seen as emotionally draining, may seek out relationships in which they are responsible for caring for a partner, repeating what was learned in childhood.


Fathers substance abuse issues:
The nature of substance abuse can reduce a child's experience with making friends, so later they may have difficulty with intimate relationships. CW does have issues in these areas

Addiction tendencies may be familial -both socially modelled and possible genetic trait?

Impact of growing up with this: overlaps with enmeshment traits, particularly around loss of identity, feelings of responsibility, used to playing the role of the caregiver, may have an excessive need to be in control in order to balance out the chaos in their lives. Or they may constantly need approval, to reassure themselves that they have value. Some become aggressive.


Attachment
Mrs Watts described as cold and overbearing. Although its reported he has a close relationship with his dad, he will still be impacted by his relationship with his mother. There are numerous issues that arise from having an in-secure attachment.


Social modelling
His family have socially modeled the following:

Women are domineering.

Men avoid to cope, rather than confront (eg Dad used substances as a form of escape most likely).

Unkind behaviour towards others

No respect for personal boundaries



Social and emotional development

Guaranteed CW grew up in an invalidating environment.

Emotions likely to not be acknowledged let alone expressed, which is a huge issue as this causes someone to lack emotional awareness and stunts development.

Love and kindness probably 'rewarded' only when doing something right. Therefore, love becomes associated with doing what someone else wants, not inherently given. This will be linked to wanting to be seen as ‘good’.

Socially he had few friends and lacked a dating history. The question remains why was that? Lack of interest, fear of parental opinion? Etc. This isn’t always an issue, however in this case it is suggests why he was so excited by the prospect of the affair he was having and the thrill he was getting from this.

Supposedly his sister was 'naughty'. This may be a sign of issues at home (although cannot definitely say this). However, children take up roles in a family. CW has taken up the 'good' boy role, which would be a partial contributor to why he wants to save face and be seen as ‘good’


Empathy

Others say he was kind and caring

Seems empathic towards NK. Why? (Concerned about her being dragged in to the case).

Important to differentiate between empathy and sympathy. Psychopaths and sociopaths use empathy (not sympathy) to learn about a person and use this in a self-fulfilling manner (eg for their own purpose).

Psychopath vs sociopath – no criminal history that we are aware, indicates CW is not a psychopath, but rather a sociopath.



** There is obviously a lot more that can be added to this””
 
Did Chris and Ronnie discuss what happened on the ride from the airport?
Discovery pg 605 (pg 538)
Chris asked to speak with his dad, agents leave the room. Chris tells his story to his dad, agents come back in and discuss then leave again, Ronnie stays with Chris. At this point Chris asks his dad “Did you tell mom yet”. Ronnie answers no.
Ronnie has not left the room, when did he have a chance to tell Cindy if he didn’t know before he entered the room. I also think it is odd that when Chris said smothered twice Ronnie said “choke or smothered”, why would he question what Chris was saying, was Chris going off script? Maybe I am looking at it with bias but I don’t know why he wouldn’t just accept Chris saying they were smothered. Chris was very close to his father, it is hard to believe he would not confide and seek his advice.

I’ve commented before about the agents technique, how masterful they were. Watching how child like Chris is is both sad and disturbing. The agents knew to approach him as if speaking to a child, soft spoken voices, rubbing his back, constant reassurances.
 
Layla123 said:
About NK’s Vocal Fry:
Are we policing young women’s voices?
From Upspeak To Vocal Fry: Are We 'Policing' Young Women's Voices?
There are specific ways to make women shut up.
Stop telling women how they should talk
Ridiculing vocal fry is sexist.
This Is Why Ridiculing Vocal Fry Is Sexist
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I'm not a verified anything here, but I worked as an RN in an ENT clinic with a MD who specialized in voice for several years. The speech therapist that I worked with and I had many conversations about vocal fry LONG before it became popular to point it out in pop culture. It can be very annoying. I agree that we don't need to police people's voices, but when it is something that is affected, rather than caused by a condition of the vocal cords people notice it (eta: professionally - I'm not talking about pop culture here).

I suggest reading this article written by a speech pathology professional organization which writes about the condition/affected speech with a less biased viewpoint.
Totally Fried
 
Gardenista said:
Just read one of the ex-MRS got all of the Weld County files and will be uploading it to their youtube channel
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I assume that means others will be getting it too. I won’t listen to anything MRS has to say and refuse to give their you tube channel any views. I think we should nominate one person to take one for the team and report back ;)
 
@kiwilaura sorry if I misunderstood you last night -- don't know how to bring over your post from the other thread. I gather you are saying NK was involved? I don't see her as knowing her affair would wipe put his family of her, but I do think she was unwittingly a huge part of his motive. He was obsessed with her, sexually entranced, almost drugged by his fixation on her, it seems. To even say to LE that she "took [his] breath away"? So wrongheaded, so dopey and stupid and childish, but he couldn't help himself. The photo sent to NK after dumping his children and pregnant wife to me is not a signal, however it was all about NK and all for NK, in his sick mind. He was going to have her whatever it took. And I do believe she was manipulative, and putting the pressure on him to resolve this in her favor already. She put a positive spin on things she said to make it sound like the opposite of the effect it would have, e.g. if she was telling him don't say you love me when you are in NC with your wife, she was really saying, I need you completely and if you want me you better cut her off completely. She gave many instances of that kind of thing. She didn't even want him speaking to his kids at night, despite her claims that she encouraged him to spend more time with his kids. She needed him talking her to sleep, sex talking and whatever else. They both sound so childish and she sounds so needy; it was a dangerous obsession. It is not her fault, but she was the reason he killed his whole family, IMO MOO. It is also telling that when CW first confesses to Ron he starts by taking about the affair. He says, “They know I had an affair. I came clean about THAT." Emphasis on "that," betraying the fact that there are other things to come clean about. And he seems to say that he simply could't fess up to Shan'ann about the affair; he simply could not bring himself to do it and be that bad guy. Solution? Kill her. and their children. Unreal.
 
BrownRice said:
Calm and worry-free Chris Watts picked up breakfast after disposing of wife and daughters' bodies | Daily Mail Online

New video to me. Chris buying a burrito after killing family.
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Is this for real?. I am way far behind due to T’giving, company for a week and reading the 2000+ document. But I thought I saw a video here this morning where he arrives home and meets NUA & son at the house and is in a gray l/s tee shirt with American flag on back... not to say he couldn’t have changed shirts!
 
Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats said:
I assume that means others will be getting it too. I won’t listen to anything MRS has to say and refuse to give their you tube channel any views. I think we should nominate one person to take one for the team and report back ;)
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I'm sure I'll be watching. I think they'll upload them in the FB group. The only big benefit to them having the files is that they'll likely post them in their entirety vs MSM only showing clips.

ETA: It *does* look like they may be posting them on youtube. Hmmm....
 
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Nudgee said:
Is this for real?. I am way far behind due to T’giving, company for a week and reading the 2000+ document. But I thought I saw a video here this morning where he arrives home and meets NUA & son at the house and is in a gray l/s tee shirt with American flag on back... not to say he couldn’t have changed shirts!
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I am not sure that that is him or if it is maybe it is another day.
 
Nudgee said:
Is this for real?. I am way far behind due to T’giving, company for a week and reading the 2000+ document. But I thought I saw a video here this morning where he arrives home and meets NUA & son at the house and is in a gray l/s tee shirt with American flag on back... not to say he couldn’t have changed shirts!
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I was surprised with the orange tee shirt too. Could have been underneath the gray. It was summer so can’t imagine wearing long sleeves all day.
 
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