GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #64

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He probably does blame NUA, and ultimately, he probably still blames Shanann, too. If he thinks this way, he'd be smart to keep that to himself in prison.

If his Mom and Dad still have stinkin' thinkin' about Shanann murdering the babies, and if CW wants to talk to them by phone or have them visit, they'd be smart to keep their thoughts to themselves and not state this to him. If Ma and Pa prove to be a problem, the prison can kick them off the visitor's list and not allow phone calls for a very long time.

Can you imagine a discussion with this sewer rat, his parents and sister.:eek:
Every person they discuss will be at fault.
Imagine how the wardens feel about each one.
This family, with similar characteristics, belong together, away from all others.
MOO.
 
I know what SW said, but that $62.00 restaurant tab happened the night before, and I believe it had to have been eating away at her because it sure would have been eating away at me. But I don’t know what happened, I was just trying to figure out a reason why CW could be so angry at her he could wrap his hands around her neck and strangle her for 5-6 minutes. I do think this was premeditated, but his plan was so stupid, I can’t understand how he ever thought he’d get away with it.
With rage killings you see severe beatings, excessive knife wounds, Shanann did not even have severe bruising on her neck, she had minimum wounds. This was not about anger or rage, they were baggage in his new life, baggage that he did not want so in a controlled manner he killed all 3. This was a decision , not a reaction to anything. Unfortunately there are people out there that are like this, there are numerous cases Chris Coleman, Scott Peterson and many more that have already previously been named. None had violent histories, none had abusive marriages, all were thought to be good husbands and good dads until they killed because they wanted something different
 
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I wonder if it's true that CW didn't have any girlfriends before SW. It would have been interesting to hear from them.

It wouldn't surprise me. My guess is Mother Watts repelled most women who attempted to date Chris. The only one who felt that it was worth sticking around was Shanann, which I'm sure contributed to Mother Watts' hatred.
 
But if he premeditated it during the weeks before how could he possibly have thought he could get away with it? Let’s just start with CW leaving that matching sheet behind in that oil field? Or his mother in law (God love her) whose first thought was he covered her in oil? Or that anyone would believe that SW so willingly would leave behind, never to see again, her parents, her brother, her friends, and her job that she loved so much? Or his affair(s)? Or that NK would be ok with taking up with a quadruple murderer? That’s just for starters. Are you satisfied with stupid as an explanation? Psycho-stupid?

anyone who can coldy dispose of their beautiful perfect little family like trash is unfathomable.
there are no explanations beyond the obvious.
he was emotionally inept, disconnected but totally capable .
wanting a new start .
that's it.
a weapon of the worst kind.
 
CW requested general population? Can he do that?
No Jef Dahmer did. Then was killed.

A prison can not administer excessive punishment. The incarceration term is the punishment. If an inmate feels vulnerable he can request ad seg and just as Jeff D, reverse their decision, should they wish.

The only time excessive or additional discipline is allowed is for problem inmates.
 
But if he premeditated it during the weeks before how could he possibly have thought he could get away with it? Let’s just start with CW leaving that matching sheet behind in that oil field? Or his mother in law (God love her) whose first thought was he covered her in oil? Or that anyone would believe that SW so willingly would leave behind, never to see again, her parents, her brother, her friends, and her job that she loved so much? Or his affair(s)? Or that NK would be ok with taking up with a quadruple murderer? That’s just for starters. Are you satisfied with stupid as an explanation? Psycho-stupid?
Because they see everything from their twisted perspective and they think everyone sees it the same way. They don’t have the ability to see the optics of what they are doing. They are so caught up in what they want that they decide what they are doing makes sense to them and they think it’s going to make sense to everyone else . Are you familiar with the Chris Coleman case? He sent threatening emails that his family was going to be killed to set the stage for murdering his family, he sent the emails from his own computer. Trying to apply logic to how these FA’s think does not work, their brains are not wired like ours. Scott Peterson was selling his wife’s car while search parties were still going on looking for her . They all do things that don’t make sense to the normal world. Premeditated to see CW means he thought about it, had a general plan, just thought he would kill them and take them to the oil site and dump them. He doesn’t think about all the details and particulars that he would need to get away with it to make that happen
 
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But if he premeditated it during the weeks before how could he possibly have thought he could get away with it? Let’s just start with CW leaving that matching sheet behind in that oil field? Or his mother in law (God love her) whose first thought was he covered her in oil? Or that anyone would believe that SW so willingly would leave behind, never to see again, her parents, her brother, her friends, and her job that she loved so much? Or his affair(s)? Or that NK would be ok with taking up with a quadruple murderer? That’s just for starters. Are you satisfied with stupid as an explanation? Psycho-stupid?
and to be honest Layla
I have already addressed all this in the post you are replying to.
but you continue to ignore or not comprehend what is being stated.
sorry but you keep asking the same question and the same questions get answers.
because you don't like them we keep going round and round in circles :confused:

moo
 
So many things could have happened (and did)... I don't understand why he did not do more to 'clean' and hide what he had actually done.
Those that think the children were killed first... what time do you think? Why would he be loading his truck early in the morning and not in the middle of the night.
If he takes their stuff with him on the way to dispose of the bodies he can throw it out along the way. Although that could still have been him... other 'possible' suspects might could come from that. Surely not by their stuff being in the house but they have disappeared.
I just don't see how he could chance the friend coming in too after dropping SW off, SW checking the kids and fighting back, or stuff of that nature.
Seems to me the killing was closer to daybreak... because if he killed them earlier he would have had much time sitting around doing nothing.
One of the most shocking things to me is the call to the co-worker stating his plan to visit a different site than he was supposed to... planned the entire thing.
Wow.
I think I am probably the only person that thinks he had a decent plan. I don't think anyone would have found the children's bodies, not in time anyway. I think he thought he had plenty of time to do the clean up work. He put a lot of thought into it. The problem he had was NA. He either didn't know about the doctor appointment or he forgot about it. He thought people would just believe him and forget about his family. I doubt he ever thought the police would come full force. He didn't have a back up plan and apparently his mind doesn't work that way. Having the front and back door chained hurt. I'm sure Shanann chained the front door when she got home. Since he didn't go out that way, he missed it. So although, I believe he planned it, nothing worked out the way he thought it would and he couldn't adapt. And he couldn't fake/pretend he cared they were gone.
 
But if he premeditated it during the weeks before how could he possibly have thought he could get away with it? Let’s just start with CW leaving that matching sheet behind in that oil field? Or his mother in law (God love her) whose first thought was he covered her in oil? Or that anyone would believe that SW so willingly would leave behind, never to see again, her parents, her brother, her friends, and her job that she loved so much? Or his affair(s)? Or that NK would be ok with taking up with a quadruple murderer? That’s just for starters. Are you satisfied with stupid as an explanation? Psycho-stupid?

If you read up on FA’s; they never think about what will happen after. They are just living in the moment. This is why they are almost always caught within days. This is also why many of them commit suicide. It dawns on them that there is no way they won’t be caught. We can see this so very clearly in this case. It fits to a T. It’s almost like he read a book on how to be a FA

“You will never get the truth out of a Narcissist. The closest you will ever come is a story that either makes them the victim or the hero, but never the villain.”
shannon l. alder
 
Well toddlers and babies might throw food sometimes but at a moment when your kids are missing that's not the thing most people would say they "miss" about their kids. Normal parents might joke about that if they are able to get away on a weekend vacation without the kids (and the kids are safely in the care of a babysitter at home). But he has no sense of what normal people say or do. And why would he mention chicken nuggets when we know the girls had cold pizza for their last meal? I bet he stole that line from some other occasion in the distant past when someone said else it to him. Maybe his parents said something like that after they returned to NC from their last visit to CO in 2017? He has no script in his head for playing the part of a genuinely worried father who misses his "missing" children. And he has no ability to ad-lib something believeable. JMO.

Excellent explanation.
 
Just watched her video and slowed down the footage myself and at the mark she claims (53 seconds) where she says that someone else is there, all I see is Chris and he does have on white shoes & looks like a black shirt with the logo on the back... so I don't know what she is seeing besides him unless she is watching a different video at that time mark? Btw first time posting here, hi everyone.

Welcome LunaQuinn.:):):)
What video are you seeing?
Thanks.
 
I'm really sorry if I offend anyone, because it's a terrible thought, but I can't get it out of my mind that he used his foot to shove his children in the hole. Is there any way it's proven that he didn't do that? I would love to know that was not done.

Ugg...never thought of that. Are you questioning that because of the DA asking for CW's footprints?
 
But if he premeditated it during the weeks before how could he possibly have thought he could get away with it? Let’s just start with CW leaving that matching sheet behind in that oil field? Or his mother in law (God love her) whose first thought was he covered her in oil? Or that anyone would believe that SW so willingly would leave behind, never to see again, her parents, her brother, her friends, and her job that she loved so much? Or his affair(s)? Or that NK would be ok with taking up with a quadruple murderer? That’s just for starters. Are you satisfied with stupid as an explanation? Psycho-stupid?
I believe he did plan it for a while.How long ? Who knows. He had a plan in his head, nothing went as planned, he couldn't change his plans to go with what did happen. I don't think his brain works that way. JMO
 
But if he premeditated it during the weeks before how could he possibly have thought he could get away with it? Let’s just start with CW leaving that matching sheet behind in that oil field? Or his mother in law (God love her) whose first thought was he covered her in oil? Or that anyone would believe that SW so willingly would leave behind, never to see again, her parents, her brother, her friends, and her job that she loved so much? Or his affair(s)? Or that NK would be ok with taking up with a quadruple murderer? That’s just for starters. Are you satisfied with stupid as an explanation? Psycho-stupid?

No one knows the answers to these questions. Perhaps they are so focused on their plans & eagerness for a new life they never contemplate an arrest.

Remember the Craig’s List Killer? He was a piece of work, huh? A doctor, of all things. He was able to convince the jail staff he wasn’t suicidal.

Ryan Brunn, the Mtc. Man at a GA apt complex is another one. He raped and beat his victim (with her roller skate) then disposed of her in a trash compactor. Of course he went on to help with all the searches. He, too, was able to convince authorities he was not suicidal. Iirc, he killed him self his first night at the state reception center.

What makes any of these “normal” men think that THEY are smart enough to outsmart LE.
 
Agree, or a(n alleged) trip to Aspen while being behind in HOA dues and thinking of downsizing. I’m not sure who was the driving force behind the giant house, Lexus AFTER a bk; and I don’t want to sound like a voyeur but I would like to see all of 2018 bank statements. What came in. What went out. What was left over as disposable income each month. What was being saved. It’s none of my business of course. But filing for bankruptcy is pretty severe. To be back in debt would be tough to recover from so soon after their last filing.

First off not hoa dues, assessments, totally different. Secondly, they had the house before they filed bankruptcy. Third, the Lexus was paid most months by Shananns company. Lastly, the only person who said they were in debt is a lying liar, who is jail for lying, oh, and killing his family.

Edit. Not trying to be rude, we have gone over these things too many times. I'm crabby. Maybe a break is needed.
 
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I wonder if it's true that CW didn't have any girlfriends before SW. It would have been interesting to hear from them.
The VI said he only had one serious relationship before he met Shanann. But knowing what we now know, I wouldn't be surpised if that was not true. Maybe he just dated someone for a few months and that was considered to be serious. After all, it only took a couple of months for he and Nickol to fall in love, according to him. Imo
 
I think I am probably the only person that thinks he had a decent plan. I don't think anyone would have found the children's bodies, not in time anyway. I think he thought he had plenty of time to do the clean up work. He put a lot of thought into it. The problem he had was NA. He either didn't know about the doctor appointment or he forgot about it. He thought people would just believe him and forget about his family. I doubt he ever thought the police would come full force. He didn't have a back up plan and apparently his mind doesn't work that way. Having the front and back door chained hurt. I'm sure Shanann chained the front door when she got home. Since he didn't go out that way, he missed it. So although, I believe he planned it, nothing worked out the way he thought it would and he couldn't adapt. And he couldn't fake/pretend he cared they were gone.
The children in the oil tanks was his strong point - who realistically would ever think of looking there? Those two tanks were due to be decommissioned in the near future, and I'm sure he factored that into his plan. As for Shanann, he probably had another tank somewhere else that was more accessible but the phone calls from NUA precipitated a change of plan and a hurried burial. JMO
 
Yes, the victim of being caught out. Why don't people mind their own business, like NUA and the next door neighbour.
Heroes, in my eyes.
OMGoodness, someone actually posted that in earlier threads. Seriously? They were upset she stuck her nose in. I can bet, Shanann's family and friends are very glad she did.
 
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