GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #68

[Gardenista]

Yes, I know. I was talking about the statements from Lambert. I don't recall him saying anything about the children being alive in the truck.
I did not listen to the podcast because I have heard enough of what they have said right here. I just don't find them to be credible, therefore I am hesitant to believe the story about them being alive in the truck, as it contradicts Lamberts statement that the kids were smothered in the home.
I tend to believe an attorney over whoever the podcasters are. From what I have heard they are not credible.
Did Dr. Phil indicate that the kids were alive in the truck as well? Whom did he say he got that informatiin from? I would rather wait until I hear the whole episode before coming to any conclusions about what he says as well! Imo

He doesn't say they were smothered in the house.

 

[MsGazette]

Regardless of what is "said" by CW or these ex-MRS folks, I simply do NOT believe this. It makes NO sense... think about it... those sweet girls would have been going crazy. Unless they were drugged and knocked out, they would have been all over that vehicle... screaming, crying, trying to get out, making it a million times more difficult for CW to carry out his horrible "plans". He's WAY too lazy to have created a situation like that, as it definitely would require much more effort, work and planning. JMO. MOO.

We would have seen movement in the neighbors cam when he was loading the truck? The neighbors would have been on that regardless of their cam if that baby was screaming. I don’t believe it at all. I believe they had all passed away before he left the house.

 

[MsGazette]

I said earlier today, if the story he tells makes him look bad, then he is likely telling the truth.

The story that he MAY have told, makes him look like an absolute monster.

Not in my wildest dreams, or worst nightmares, did I think he carried it out in a way this depraved; this evil.

We’ll have a much better idea if this is true, on Thursday, when we see and hear the words come from his own mouth.

We know when he is lying.

This would be a very strange thing to lie about, and would run contrary to every lie he has told thus far. Lies that allowed him to save face.

I’m trying to find a way to refute the plausibility of this alleged account, but I don’t think the evidence excludes it.

If he did tell this story, I’m leaning towards it being true.

Horrific.

Good point. He is as narcissistic as they come. And this would make him look despicable, so it wouldn’t be a lie. The ones (narcissists) I have known, they still know right from wrong and he may have had some religious counseling for him to come clean about it. Especially if they think it will give them something back in terms of being forgiven in the eyes of God or whatever. BUT I still think there has been some embellishments here with these podcast people.

 

[Nikynoo]

I have a question for our VA's, in relation to the wrongful death action.

It has been reported that CW failed to respond to the action by the dealine and that the Rzuceks filed a motion for default judgment on Monday 11th Feb. - Christopher Watts not fighting wrongful death lawsuit filed by Shanann Watts's family after murder convictions

"A default judgment can be awarded if the defendant doesn't respond to a suit, triggering an automatic win for the plaintiffs.

"He has failed to answer the case against him," Lambert said.

Lambert said he expects the judge to make a decision on the motion in the next week or two.

If the judge finds that Watts is in default, the court will next have a hearing in which a jury decides how much money the Rzuceks should be awarded in damages.

Watts likely will appear by telephone for that hearing, Lambert said."

My question is, obviously Lambert is publicly revealing what CW said in his deposition, how will this effect the wrongful death action and the selection of a jury? Does the release of this information mean that the wrongful death lawsuit has been dropped?

Thank you!

 

[NuttMegg]

I sure don't want to be considered a shill for the podcast.
But I listened to it carefully.
This is what the 2 watts friends say: (paraphrased)
The watts were taken by surprise by the Feb 18 meeting.
Then they were gobsmacked by learning of the Dr Phil show with the R's.
They had no idea what CW had told LE and were basically curled up on the floor learning he says he killed the girls. They have always felt left out, by LE, etc.
So in the last few days "family" talked to him (by phone apparently) in the available 15 minute time slots.
Evidently yesterday he finally told them he killed SW, that Bella walked in after SW was dead. There is no sequence mentioned, but he loaded SW in the truck.
Then drove to Cervi with the girls still being alive. (With blankets /stuffed animals)
It took him some 40 minutes to get there and he couldn't figure out how to keep them alive. He didn't call anyone. He got there and smothered them with their blankies and put them in the tanks.
Not revealed whether buried sw first.
To ferret out these details you just about have to listen to most of the podcast.

I'm just posting this so you guys can see the basis for where this came from.
Obviously I am not an mrs kay fan. But the other 2 gals seemed credible.

I think that's it until new developments. I doubt his story on the podcast matches Mar 7 docs, or Dr Phil. As I mentioned this may be a last attempt to embarrass his family.

 

[MsGazette]

I hadn’t heard he dumped one before the other, just when I think it can’t get worse it does! I agree with you 100%, blame is squarely on Chris Watts, I’d just hate to see the people who felt Chris was an abused husband say that it was her that drove him to it.

I’m replying now about this notion that he put the kids in there alive. All of this time, I could see him being able to kill Shannan but not the girls. He just seemed to really be attached to them. This act would totally seem to fit him. Have the oil tanks do it so he doesn’t have to. He gets out of actually doing the act (in his mind). But I’m still believing that he put them there to hide evidence and it was smaller than he thought. Couldn’t fit Shannan so he buried her. But the first scenario rings true as well. We shall see.

 

[JudgeJudi]

I wouldn’t believe a word he said without the benefit of incontrovertible evidence to support his claims.

He’s provided several iterations of what happened: They were missing; they went to an unknown friend’s place; he looked in the baby monitor and first saw Bella who was “blue” and not moving and then saw Shan’ann actively strangling CeCe; he blamed Shan’ann for the death of both children and this was his excuse for murdering her; he killed her because she told him he wouldn't see the girls again (if there was a divorce).

Steven Lambert said in the Dr Phil preview: “In that fight he essentially confessed to having an affair, that he wanted a divorce, that it was pretty much over between them, and she had said something to the effect of, “Well, you’re not gonna see the kids again”. Once again, blaming Shan’ann for her own death. In this latest version Shanann died first, then CeCe followed by Bella. Apart from NK’s comments, all previous versions mentioned a separation, not a divorce.

Prison inmates hate paedophiles/child molesters/child killers more than other types of prisoners and it is for this reason that they’re usually separated from the general prison population. Why would he need to put further details out there to show how truly despicable he is, particularly, if true, that Bella pleaded for her life. My heart goes out to the Ruzceks having to hear all this.

He’s making himself an even bigger target than he already is, and it's possible this may be the whole purpose of these latest revelations. Most family annihilators commit suicide. CW is probably too gutless to do that, but by drawing attention to himself he may be “asking” for someone to take him out. The mind boggles as to how this will affect his own parents, his mother in particular.

It seems “sources close to the investigation” say CW has finally provided an accurate account of how the killings occurred. Unless there’s hard evidence, I think it would have been more accurate to say, “… a possible account of how the killings occurred that is consistent with the evidence”.

 

[MsGazette]

I think there are a few small truths out of CW's fork-tongued mouth.

As Sayid Jarrah from Lost said: "You go after him now and he'll give you nothing. But if you wait, a rat will always lead you to its hole."

I think the rat CW is slowly confessing a few (self-serving) truths at a time.

After all, his Pa says he "knows the bible back to front"!
Of course now that sonny boy has found the bible should his actions be excused and his self-serving lies believed? Apparently Ma and Pa Watts and "The Pod People" think so.

The rest of us? NAH!!! My sense of smell is as acute as yours and most of us at WS. And we smell bovine fecal matter.

No matter how hard he and his fans and family try to blame Shanann, we all know she was a million times the person he wished he could be.

moo

I loved Sayid!!! That quote is so true.

 

[Yellow Rose]

I hope he's in general population and if not now, soon. They don't like child murderers in there. After all, I did want the death penalty in his case. When I read that little Bella pleaded with him for her life I just lost it.

 

[MsBetsy]

He doesn't say they were smothered in the house.

Well, yes, but he said they were smothered after Bella walked in and asked him what he was doing with her mommy. He never indicated that they were smothered in another location, so I would assume it was in the house.
My point was that he didn't imply or say that they were driven alive to another location and killed there. Imo

 

[kay74]

I loved Sayid!!! That quote is so true.

That's an old saying.

 

[HayLouise]

BREAKING: Bella Watts walked in on killer dad Chris Watts strangling her pregnant mom Shanann Watts, lawyer says [VIDEO]

 

[kay74]

Well, yes, but he said they were smothered after Bella walked in and asked him what he was doing with her mommy. He never indicated that they were smothered in another location, so I would assume it was in the house.
My point was that he didn't imply or say that they were driven alive to another location and killed there. Imo

Yes of course he smothered them at home. I don't know why that's even debated.

 

[LittleFleurDeLys]

If the story yesterday is what is released Thursday (8th), then it's just more CW lies and blame! Now he's not only blaming Shanann, he's blaming Bella! Shanann "made him do it!' Not that different from his original story, except he admits killing the girls. So, he kills Shanann because she threatens to take his children AND THEN he kills the children he doesn't want to lose?


How does this help anyone, except maybe CW? I felt sick when I read it and I still feel sick.

When I began to read the first lines... I just felt anger... so much anger. From the beginning when I learned that there would be news released later this month, I really doubted that there would be any real "news" - just more lies. I still he believe he wanted them all gone, so he could be with his new love and no further obligations. They simply needed to disappear quickly. And what speaks volumes is how he got "rid" of the bodies of his beloved daughters. The way he acted afterwards. The fact he could fall alseep and eat pizza in front of a picture of them. I'm sorry but this far more telling than anything else this guy ever told. God... I hate him so much.

And this seems to be all about his reputation.
I'm sorry Chris, besides a few really mentall ill freaks who would like to defend you, nobody will believe this. The story you really created will not be forgotten soon ... and you will be hated and remembered for what you are. A MURDERER and a CHILD KILLER.

 

[Gardenista]

Well, yes, but he said they were smothered after Bella walked in and asked him what he was doing with her mommy. He never indicated that they were smothered in another location, so I would assume it was in the house.
My point was that he didn't imply or say that they were driven alive to another location and killed there. Imo

No he didn't. Watch the clip. You can tell it is spliced together.

 

[Nikynoo]

Yes, I know. I was talking about the statements from Lambert. I don't recall him saying anything about the children being alive in the truck.
I did not listen to the podcast because I have heard enough of what they have said right here. I just don't find them to be credible, therefore I am hesitant to believe the story about them being alive in the truck, as it contradicts Lamberts statement that the kids were smothered in the home.
I tend to believe an attorney over whoever the podcasters are. From what I have heard they are not credible.
Did Dr. Phil indicate that the kids were alive in the truck as well? Whom did he say he got that informatiin from? I would rather wait until I hear the whole episode before coming to any conclusions about what he says as well! Imo

Remember, this was just a snippet of what is to be shown on the Dr Phil show this evening. Lamberts statement was not the complete story IMO

 

[Misy]

Hi everyone. Can anyone (PommyMommy?) help to provide any info for:

NK’s interview on 8/16 (audio only) cuts off before it’s finished. I can’t find the end of that interview session. (The next one I’ve found is a video of NK interview but that’s not what I’m looking for. The one where NK cries over the whole tragedy, her dad is there with her, etc...that’s the one where it cuts off before It begins)

Now I can’t remember my second question. Ohhhhh me brain.

Tia!

 

[MsBetsy]

Remember, this was just a snippet of what is to be shown on the Dr Phil show this evening. Lamberts statement was not the complete story IMO

True, but the people who are embellishing the story are not a legitimate news source, so we won't here the rest of what was said during the interview until the show airs.
Aren't the people who run the podcast the same ones who claimed Chris went into a rage and beat Shanann's body black and blue? I believe they have made other statements that were proven not to be true as well. Imo

 

[Nikynoo]

True, but the people who are embellishing the story are not a legitimate news source, so we won't here the rest of what was said during the interview until the show airs.
Aren't the people who run the podcast the same ones who claimed Chris went into a rage and beat Shanann's body black and blue? I believe they have made other statements that were proven not to be true as well. Imo

I believe so and I think this podcast should also be taken with a pinch of salt. IMO its best to await the release of information on Thursday. Another question I have is why the Dr Phil show tonight? why not wait until after the release of information from LE?

 

[Inthedetails]

Just thought of something. Maybe this has been discussed - I haven't been on every thread.

What if SW saw something in the house when she arrived home from the airport that indicated that CW had been unfaithful while she was away? She kept such an immaculate house that I'm sure anything out of the ordinary would instantly pop out at her.

?

jmo