Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #41

[Cindizzi]

Sheriff downplays reports of remains found in Suzanne Morphew disappearance

Andy Moorman, Morphew’s brother, says the FBI has taken over that part of the search, but he’s not optimistic about the development. The area where the dogs picked up a scent is in Poncha Springs on property owned by Morphew’s family.

“There’s no point in speculating,” Moorman told The Gazette. “Reporters saw dog behavior and jumped the gun.”

 

[Seattle1]

Hi everyone. I just watched the latest P.E. Based on that show, I am hearing that Andy is camped out on Barry's property, do I have that right? And if he had to work with the landowner, that landowner is Barry?

Nope. I'm pretty confident that nobody trespassed on BM property today or any other day. I promise that AM is not sleeping/camped out on BM property. (Another DM misreport). MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

Cadaverine doesn't start to form in a human body until about 12 (or more) hours after death. It's not instantaneous.

This is why LE often waits to bring cadaver dogs to a scene (at least a couple of days - scent will keep getting stronger after that and then diminish very slowly). A week is probably better a9d 4 months out would be at a point where dogs should definitely be able to smell it.

I don't know if most perps know that, but some do.

Most articles say cadaverine isn't produced until day 3 or 4, with many criminology texts and sites saying 4 days.

(NFSW; don't click if squeamish; you can find the information elsewhere; but this one is illustrated with pictures of a decomposing animal so do not click unless you're like me and don't mind medical/forensic photos). Click only if you wish to see more about decomposition and cadaverine.

True, but in some cases cadaver dogs have picked up the scent of a body that has only been dead for a couple of hours, such as in the Watt's case.

 

[canteloupe]

Looks a young Austrian Pine to me

As a tree nerd, I’ll have to go with @LaLou and Ponderosa for $200, Alex.

And as a side bar, just how neat are aspen root systems! Sometimes I am in awe of this blue marble.

 

[magnetic]

Gee, is everyone getting told to go home because there's some kind of huge undercover operation that is deemed more important than some dead woman? What is going on? FBI disappears, cops don't show up to dig, reporters pulled off the case, townspeople scared and intimidated, etc. Note to self: do not retire to Salida.

I am now starting to worry that LE might wind up arresting AM over some trespassing or other silly issue just to get him out of the picture.

 

[MassGuy]

I get the feeling Mike knows all too well when CM is on the verge of twisting off and saying something they both might regret.

The damage is done, and a narrative has formed that’s going to spread all over social media.

It’s already happening, and I get the impression that we’ll see some sort of an apology at some point.

I think he thought they were close, and he let his frustration get the better of him.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Cadaverine doesn't start to form in a human body until about 12 (or more) hours after death. It's not instantaneous.

This is why LE often waits to bring cadaver dogs to a scene (at least a couple of days - scent will keep getting stronger after that and then diminish very slowly). A week is probably better a9d 4 months out would be at a point where dogs should definitely be able to smell it.

I don't know if most perps know that, but some do.

Most articles say cadaverine isn't produced until day 3 or 4, with many criminology texts and sites saying 4 days.

(NFSW; don't click if squeamish; you can find the information elsewhere; but this one is illustrated with pictures of a decomposing animal so do not click unless you're like me and don't mind medical/forensic photos). Click only if you wish to see more about decomposition and cadaverine.

Yikes.
This is reminding me how much I really miss the recurring cinnamon roll discussion on the Kelsey Berreth threads.

 

[10ofRods]

But there were serious sit-down alerts on that one spot, by 3 veteran CADAVER dogs with their handlers, and just because LE says the body can't be Suzanne's, that means we don't dig up the BODIES?? This makes no sense. These are human remains we are talking about here. So what if they aren't Suzanne's? They are someone's remains!

Did LE really say that it could not be Suzanne? That's not how I read this afternoon's statement. Was there another statement?

I thought it was 2 dogs. I hope that a SAR team with its own dogs is put on site or that the handlers are SAR trained and can convince LE to look further.

Cadaverine is not evidence that a body is there. However, they should bring out the ground penetrating radar and some more dogs and get to work - if it's true that trained cadaver dogs hit on that site.

I have to say I'm confused by events, as well. Something happened at that spot, should be investigated.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I can’t imagine what exactly is going on here. But...I’ll have to figure somebody does, so....I’ll gear back down and see how everything plays out over the next few days.

 

[MsBetsy]

@GordianKnot
they seemed pretty candid to me, I didn't feel like that was acting, that was true irritation and frustration for Andy, moo. Is it possible Andy wasn't "at the tree alone" but was asked to call and tell them that?

Im not sure if any of you have heard of this thing called triangulation?

They said he was there with the dog handlers and advised him not to leave until investigators start digging.

 

[10ofRods]

LE looked at the Bobcat. Surely they had cadaverine dogs at the house?

BTW, the more I dig into Salida's...scene...the more I am beginning to rethink this entire situation. I am beginning to understand much better why Sheriff Spezze is tight-lipped.

I will try to write about tomorrow - but you can google Chaffee Patriots (which is just a smallish part of the overall story of Stephen Hall and his opposition to Spezze...)

It's MSM articles.

 

[canteloupe]

Yikes.
This is reminding me how much I really miss the recurring cinnamon roll discussion on the Kelsey Berreth threads.

You’ve reminded me of a thought I had earlier after stumbling onto some very insane Quora pages; it wouldn’t be the first time—apparently—that a misinformed individual turned to peanut butter as a means of distracting a dog.

 

[branmuffin]

True, but in some cases cadaver dogs have picked up the scent of a body that has only been dead for a couple of hours, such as in the Watt's case.

Experiments have found dogs can pick up scent of cadaverine in bodies deceased for three hours and temporarily placed for less than 10 minutes. Which is just extraordinary. Dogs rule.

 

[Dre]

Cadaverine traced by dogs ~3hours

I actually have referenced this study a few times over the years, its fascinating:

Several squares had been placed beneath a clothed corpse within three hours of death, when some organs and many cells of the human body are still functioning. Over the next month, the dogs did hundreds of trials in which they signalled the contaminated square with 98 per cent accuracy, falling to 94 per cent when the square had been in contact with the corpse for only two minutes. The research concluded that cadaver dogs were an "outstanding tool" for crime-scene investigation.

The CSI death dogs: Sniffing out the truth behind the crime-scene

 

[LaLou]

I guess this is what all the cool anthro and history kids are doing...because it is also how I spent my evening.

I’ll say that one must obtain a good deal of string, thumbtacks, and bulletin boards to keep track of this county’s overlapping connections.

I agree! I cannot keep up. I’m going to have to take a hiatus and focus on work tomorrow! I’m way too consumed by this. And I’m running out of thumbtacks. And the bobcat and BM no longer identifiable, they have too many thumbtack holes in them.

Maybe I should just filter out @MassGuy posts to keep me on straight and narrow. Let’s hope his Brady allegiance doesn’t turn him into a ‘Florida Man’

 

[GordianKnot]

Fair point.
There are certainly areas that have a much higher incidence of addiction and drug related crimes. CT and MA are some of the most impacted areas in the US.

My point, which wasn't too clear was that I don't believe this to be the underpinning of this case.

BBM:

I agree with you completely.

I think there were shady business practices going on, but not necessarily of that ilk.

I continue to believe that the motive for the crime was a financial one.

JMO.

 

[BeckyF]

One thought on LS being gone. Earlier I thought she was actually with PE. The lines were blurring.

It could be as simple as Fox21 didn’t feel comfortable with the alignment with PE - as a media YouTube competitor.

Or it could be something worse. I don’t know, but I’m leaning towards the simple answer.

JMO

I agree with your opinion that maybe lines were getting blurred. LS also did a sit down with
D W A P a couple of months ago. I was disappointed she gave that person 5 minutes of her time. Just because I don’t like him. Sometimes we are judged by the company we keep. JMO

 

[MsBetsy]

But there were serious sit-down alerts on that one spot, by 3 veteran CADAVER dogs with their handlers, and just because LE says the body can't be Suzanne's, that means we don't dig up the BODIES?? This makes no sense. These are human remains we are talking about here. So what if they aren't Suzanne's? They are someone's remains!

Yeah, I'm sure if LE believes there is evidence that points to human remains being there, they will investigate. They did speak to the handlers, apparently, but we don't know what the final outcome was. I don't think I've ever heard of a case where LE had solid evidence of remains and didn't act on it.

 

[canteloupe]

LE looked at the Bobcat. Surely they had cadaverine dogs at the house?

BTW, the more I dig into Salida's...scene...the more I am beginning to rethink this entire situation. I am beginning to understand much better why Sheriff Spezze is tight-lipped.

I will try to write about tomorrow - but you can google Chaffee Patriots (which is just a smallish part of the overall story of Stephen Hall and his opposition to Spezze...)

It's MSM articles.

the warnings on these articles about the ramifications of childhood lead poisoning in Colorado are just *chef’s kiss*

 

[magnetic]

Search for Suzanne Morphew pushes on despite silence from Chaffee County Sheriff | FOX21 News Colorado

Some people in Salida expressed concern about the lack of information from Sheriff Spezze.

“We are such a small town where everyone knows everything. You would be amazed by the secrets the mountains hold regarding this case,” a business owner said.

Another store owner added, “people that have money can do dangerous things, if you get too close to the fire you can get burned.”

I never forgot that and why I posted a few days back that it was sounding like BM is the head of some shady organization and has people in his back pocket there. And was hoping LE wasn't part of that, but it really is not looking good right now. For me it began when LS was removed from all this.