Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen-#3

[Grasshopper]

There's just too much interesting stuff about AL and NL and the rest of the family to pick it all out.

http://www.courant.com/news/connect...shooting-1216-20121215,0,2311968.story?page=1

 

[JBean]

Here is the press conference bit I heard:


That bit was not clear on the broken glass at the front.

I haven't caught all the press conferences and as I said, I'm still fuzzy, taking meds following my surgery, so even those I heard, I probably missed stuff.

No that is prefect csziggy. Since this is direct quote from the Chief-for now we do not know if he broke that glass or not. He specifically does not clarify one way or the other. But I think they will reveal how he entered in the near future.

Hope you feel better.

 

[JBean]

No, JBean Probability...imo
Water, as a criminal seeks the path of least resistance...

That can be very true.
But for now we do not know and cannot put it in the 'facts" column.

 

[Foxfire]

Here is the press conference bit I heard:


That bit was not clear on the broken glass at the front.

Later in the same PC was this:

I didn't hear that part.

I haven't caught all the press conferences and as I said, I'm still fuzzy, taking meds following my surgery, so even those I heard, I probably missed stuff.

I watched the presser and the Chief admitted that AL shot out the front glass to gain entry.. I will post a link as soon as I can locate it..,

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/12/1...gain-entry-into-sandy-hook-elementary-school/

10:07 am ET December 15, 2012

LATEST DETAILS: Suspected Shooter May Have Shot Out Glass by Front Door in Order to Gain Entry Into Sandy Hook Elementary School

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I know what you mean. On the one hand, it is not practical - in these financially constrained times, to simply demolish the school. However, I would not want to subject little children, to return to this place. Perhaps an older child, could process this in a more rational way. I am not so sure, about 5 and 6 year olds. The thought of making a child sit in a room, where x number of children were cut down by rounds from a semi automatic weapon, is just too much to ask a child to endure.

This post triggered a long-forgotten memory. When I was in third grade, someone noticed faint handprints high up on the wall in the girls' bathroom. This resulted in a rash of the kind of creepy imaginings that kids that age are capable of; we became convinced of mysterious goings-on in the school, past and present.

I cannot even begin to think what we had come up with had we known that so many people had actually been killed in that school. I think we would have been constantly pointing out what appeared to us as scrubbed-out bloodstains, at the very least.

I am sure that if the school is reopened, the scenes of the killings will be demolished or remodeled like the plans to do that for the facilities at Penn State where Sandusky assaulted his victims. But still.

And not just the children--I would imagine the teachers and other staff would have a hard time returning as well. I cannot imagine returning to work in a facility where six of my coworkers had been brutally murdered.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Time for a new thread?

 

[Mrs G Norris]

There's just too much interesting stuff about AL and NL and the rest of the family to pick it all out.

http://www.courant.com/news/connect...shooting-1216-20121215,0,2311968.story?page=1

"There are 'grievance collectors,' people who walk around feeling deeply aggrieved and harboring enormous resentments. But they don't have the skill to address what they are feeling in any productive way.

"They can act out, and through some fantastic thinking, believe that somehow the world will understand the depth of their pain when others see what they have done,'' said Schwartz.

As in: This is all your fault (for anyone who may have crossed him over his life). Still think it's also a challenge to kill the maximum number of 'targets' which is just disgusting.

 

[flipflop]

I know what you mean. On the one hand, it is not practical - in these financially constrained times, to simply demolish the school. However, I would not want to subject little children, to return to this place. Perhaps an older child, could process this in a more rational way. I am not so sure, about 5 and 6 year olds. The thought of making a child sit in a room, where x number of children were cut down by rounds from a semi automatic weapon, is just too much to ask a child to endure.

I agree, kids are not able to fully comprehend what is going on or what happened. Heck, even us adults cannot make sense of this. Returning to that school would be a very tragic event for these young children. Parents as well, how could you kiss your child goodbye to resume school again.

On CNN, they were interviewing a set of parents of a child from Sandy Hook (who survived) They did not allow the child to be interviewed but stated that everytime the door bell rang, their child thought it was the killer returning to find him. This community has a very tough time ahead of them and will for quite some time.

 

[laura08]

Being a mother I couldn't imagine my child ever hurting me or anyone else for that matter. I am hoping she was asleep when he shot her and didn't see what was coming no pain no suffering. Now they have said she was in bed.

 

[Xavier]

Is it true Mrs Lanza bought the semi automatic rifle?

And the shooter had body armor??

This is so incomprehensible

Not to rant off topic, I have some men and women friends who are registered gun owners here in Cincinnati, OH and what bothers me about gun owners, they have this "macho pride" about owning guns

I get my disgust for guns from our Dad, he was one of the original G men from J Edgar's FBI era and when dad got out of the FBI, he never touched a gun ever again, especially after shooting some Mob members in NY City area where he worked

Dad never got that feeling out of his system after that

Here's a really good story one of a surviving little girl. God bless her and those children who did make it our of the school to safety. And the faculty, police who helped rescue them

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2012/12/15/8-year-old-recalls-hiding-rescue/1772167/

 

[JBean]

I watched the presser and the Chief admitted that AL shot out the front glass to gain entry.. I will post a link as soon as I can locate it..,

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/12/1...gain-entry-into-sandy-hook-elementary-school/

10:07 am ET December 15, 2012

LATEST DETAILS: Suspected Shooter May Have Shot Out Glass by Front Door in Order to Gain Entry Into Sandy Hook Elementary School

LOL I am not trying to go around with you Foxfire. I concur it is likely- but that is not the issue.
Your posts said that the Chief revealed this information in the presser today.

But he does not reveal it or admit it that I can find- so just trying to keep it straight. He outright says he does not know.

I concur that it is most likely- but we cannot say the chief admitted it as you have done- because he did not. (or I have not found that part yet) . If you can cue it up on the presser please do, because I will be happy to reverse myself- I am only looking for accuracy.

 

[Foxfire]

This post triggered a long-forgotten memory. When I was in third grade, someone noticed faint handprints high up on the wall in the girls' bathroom. This resulted in a rash of the kind of creepy imaginings that kids that age are capable of; we became convinced of mysterious goings-on in the school, past and present.

I cannot even begin to think what we had come up with had we known that so many people had actually been killed in that school. I think we would have been constantly pointing out what appeared to us as scrubbed-out bloodstains, at the very least.

I am sure that if the school is reopened, the scenes of the killings will be demolished or remodeled like the plans to do that for the facilities at Penn State where Sandusky assaulted his victims. But still.

And not just the children--I would imagine the teachers and other staff would have a hard time returning as well. I cannot imagine returning to work in a facility where six of my coworkers had been brutally murdered.

One of the surviving children said, "This is a Dead School"..
"I Agree"..

 

[JBean]

new thread coming up shortly

 

[Shelby2]

Aspergers is in the Autism spectrum and they can have OCD (personality disorder) as well as sensory-perception abnormalities.

"A range of abnormalities, including hyper- and hyposensitivity, sensory distortion and overload, and multichannel receptivity and processing difficulties, are described in firsthand accounts and frequently portrayed as central to the autistic experience."

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1025850431170?LI=true

http://www.alessioavenanti.com/pdf_library/minio-paluello_2009biolpsychiatry.pdf

http://www.biobehavioralinstitute.com/viewarticle.php?id=38

OCD is not a personality disorder though.

 

[hockeymom]

http://www.courant.com/news/connect...shooting-1216-20121215,0,2311968.story?page=1

Article says that not only had Ryan,the brother not talked to Adam in 2 years,but the father hadn't either. Thats odd,IMO. Why not? What was it about Adam that didn't warrent even a phone call? I can see brothers,but a father/son. I hope he speaks out more on this eventually.

 

[JBean]

Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen-#4 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[SmoothOperator]

I apologize for not being able to stay caught up here in this thread..so please forgive if this issue has already been discussed ad nauseum and I've missed it altogether ..

As several of my posts have noted I've been quite floored at what a contradictory nature that mom's words and actions have been regarding her IMO obvious full awareness of the severity of her son's mental instability, yet as we know was an avid gun collector that chose to keep such a large arsenal of both artillery/ammo in the home in which she and her son lived..

So, what if mom did possibly believe she had this issue well under control by having ALL OF THE GUNS AS WELL AS ALL OF THE AMMO very secured and locked up to where she knew her son was completely unable to access any of the guns or ammo without her knowledge and allowing him to do so??

IMO while I personally still find that situation too close for comfort ..I can see how one would possibly believe that they were taking all precautions and necessary steps to keep the son safe from harming himself or others with any of the guns she collected and kept securely locked up..

Because in now knowing that the son actually had full intentions and planned to go and purchase the guns on his own without mom's knowledge..and followed through in his attempts at procuring guns on his own and was unsuccessful in doing so.. this IMO makes me believe that its possible mom did have some sort of security measure in plLace that would have kept him from just simply being able to have access to the guns whenever he wanted. IMO I feel like if that were the case that he would have never even made the attempt to purchase guns on his own IF HE'D ACTUALLY HAD ACCESS TO MOM'S GUNS TO USE AT HIS DISPOSAL...

IMO its only when he was unsuccessful in his attempts at purchasing gun(s) that he had to go about this differently, as in finding a way around getting into the likely locked up guns/ammo of his mothers...I find it possible that this was done via force and could have been achieved in a couple different ways..

a) IMO I find it POSSIBLE that maybe mom had A GUN(as in one single handgun that she maybe kept NOT LOCKED UP for personal protection in the sense it was just she and her son living there alone).. for that reason I find it plausible that there was possibly one gun available and that her son used this gun to kill her thereby his then being able to gain access to the entire arsenal of locked up guns/ammo..

or..

b) I can also see it possible that maybe she didn't have ANY OF THE GUNS OUT, BUT RATHER KEPT THEM ALL SAFE UNDER LOCK/KEY..(TBH I find this less likely as IMO i truly believe she likely had a single gun she kept out for her and her son's personal safety).. but if they were all locked up its possible he hit her over the head with any object available so as to gain access to the locked guns and then after having gained access with plans to then head to the school maybe he knew he had zero choice but to kill her if he was going to be able to pull off his plan at the elementary school(ie.as in an alive mom could easily come to and call for help thereby thwarting his entire plan)

I honestly believe it to quite likely be that option (a) IMO is the more likely of the two to be similar to what happened..and that mom actually did have the whole large collection of handguns, rifles, shotguns, etc, along with all the ammo UNDER LOCK AND KEY UNACCESSABLE TO HER SON WITHOUT HER HAVING KNOWLEDGE OR ALLOWING HIM TO DO SO..but that just as many of us women who either are divorced or whose hubbys work out of town, or night shift..how many of us have a gun(handgun, shotgun, whatever youre most comfortable with) that you DO NOT KEEP LOCKED IN THE GUN SAFE, BUT OUT OF THE SAFE AVAILABLE TO USE FOR PROTECTING YOURSELF AND YOUR CHILDREN IF SOMEONE WERE TO BREAK IN..

I find it plausible that now that we know that mom DID NOT EVER EVEN WORK AT THE SCHOOL,,IMO I find it possible that the only reason she was killed was because the SON FELT HE HAD TO KILL HER ONCE HE'D FAILED AT BEING ABLE TO HIMSELF PURCHASE GUNS FOR HIS RAMPAGE..

DUE TO THAT FAILED ATTEMPT HE HAD TO GAIN ACCESS TO HIS MOM'S GUN COLLECTION that I now find possible that his mom DID IN FACT HAVE THE GUND/AMMO UNDER LOCK AND KEY(except for possibly keeping one gun out of the safe to use for protection in case of a break in)..and possibly that's what he shot mom with, its why he felt he had to kill his mom in order to gain access to the guns...

sorry so long...and sorry if already has been discussed ad nauseum..its just a possibility at this point I do find to be plausible...jmo.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

They did not allow the child to be interviewed but stated that everytime the door bell rang, their child thought it was the killer returning to find him. This community has a very tough time ahead of them and will for quite some time.

snipped for focus

This triggered another memory. I used to work with someone whose child was in the same class as Danielle van Dam. He told me that well after she was found, anytime a helicopter went overhead, the child would comment, "They are still looking for her."

 

[FootballMom]

I agree, kids are not able to fully comprehend what is going on or what happened. Heck, even us adults cannot make sense of this. Returning to that school would be a very tragic event for these young children. Parents as well, how could you kiss your child goodbye to resume school again.

On CNN, they were interviewing a set of parents of a child from Sandy Hook (who survived) They did not allow the child to be interviewed but stated that everytime the door bell rang, their child thought it was the killer returning to find him. This community has a very tough time ahead of them and will for quite some time.

"Whenever a national tragedy occurs, such as terrorist attacks or natural disasters, children, like many people, may be confused or frightened. Most likely they will look to adults for information and guidance on how to react. Parents and school personnel can help children cope first and foremost by establishing a sense of safety and security."


http://www.nasponline.org/resources/crisis_safety/terror_general.aspx

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

From what I recall, he never specifically said AL shot his way in... just that he forced his way in. The shot out glass referred the police making their way inside.