Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen-#4

[jjenny]

Its common sense. And quite frankly I don't think he needs to expand on it, that takes time away from the investigation. And right now that should be first and foremost


Bottom line is if you can't prove it with facts then don't post it. This has ALWAYS been WS policy. You need to back up your statements with articles from MSM or the like.

IF MSM provides inaccurate information, then linking to MSM article isn't going to provide accurate information. There already were a bunch of stories in MSM that might not be accurate. Such as him trying to purchase a weapon-true or false? Nobody knows. Or about an altercation between him and school staff the day prior-I believe that one is false.
His mother being a teacher in the school-also apparently false.

 

[HarvestMoon]

No story yet, just a tweet:

Hartford newspaper reported that she was shot twice in the head while in bed, probably asleep.

posted link above

 

[Abby Normal Again]

In regards to all the bad in the world- of course, I didn't see anything on snopes. In a day or two we might find out it wasn't his quote. For now, it's along the lines of what I've told my kids.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I am not that impressed with Vance. Afterall, as far as I know they still haven't released the name of the shooter or the name of the victim found at 36 Yogananda.

They really need to be more forthcoming. IMO.

How can they be forthcoming when they are still investigating? How can they be forthcoming when they have to stop investigating, to track down people who are creating FAKE facebook pages and claiming to be the shooter?


We all want answers, but we have to understand that there is A LOT of evidence that is being examined. We will get answer, we all just need to be patient! And quite frankly I am sorry but I am willing to wait. These officers I am sure are grieving, and it must be heartbreaking to have to see what they have seen. They too are victims, and I am pretty dang sure that they are all going to need intensive therapy because of what they have seen, witnessed. Answers will come in time. But try to see things from the other perspective.

 

[believe09]

The question we need to ask ourselves is

Is the media posted/aired the misinformation intentionally. Are they doing it with Malice? Or are they just trying to report the news as best they can, with so much info coming out?

for me, it is none of the above. They are reporting without sourcing. imvho. Example, Hartford Courant and it's detailed timeline of the shooting which was apparently printed this morning.

Lt Vance CSP made it clear that the timeline was not cobbled together from inside of the investigation.

The Hartford Courant will undoubtedly protect it's source, which is something I believe in fwiw. But the source is not from inside of the investigation-soooo what should those readers believe about their newspaper?

 

[wfgodot]

Lengthy article here:

Coroner: Conn. gunman shot mom repeatedly in head (Huffington Post)

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

LE appears to be entering the phase where it begins to imagine that the public has no right to information, and thus seeks to draw the blinds by categorizing all information as being somehow intrinsic to the investigation.

Honestly I am sorry but his statement is being blown out of proportion. Its no big deal. He is just telling people who are impersonating people, or threatening people that they will be prosecuted.

If your not threatening people, and your not posting to facebook as Adam Lanza, or Ryan Lanza or ANY KEY FIGURES in this case then you really have nothing to be worried about. Plain and simple!

 

[Lois Lane]

A monsignor at St. Rose of Lima Roman Catholic Church, which was evacuated during noon Mass on Sunday, said that a man had called the church and said, “I’m coming to kill, I’m coming to kill.”

Msgr. Robert Weiss, who spoke to a reporter from Ora.TV, which is live-streaming from the church, said that a church phone rang and a parishioner picked it up, and the man on the line began spewing threats.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/sunday-coverage-of-newtown-school-shooting/

NY Times reporting on the story at St. Rose of Lima.

More at the link.

The church was still on lockdown as of 1:30 p.m.

“I’m just sad that these people needed to be at Mass today and that this had to happen,” Monsignor Weiss said. “This is just hard for parents to be able to explain to their children.”

 

[believe09]

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/sunday-coverage-of-newtown-school-shooting/

NY Times reporting on the story at St. Rose of Lima.

More at the link.

Wont take long to run that one down, I expect.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I had a feeling Nancy was a prepper. Her owning that many weapons just didn't make sense otherwise. It's sad she didn't take more care in keeping those firearms out of her son's hands.

I wonder if she was constantly talking about the end of the world with her son and it set him off somehow and made him paranoid? No excuse for hitting a school, but I do wonder what he took away from her own mindset.

Owning five weapons? Many others own many more than that and that includes women as well.

How do we know she did not take care in keeping the firearms out of her son's hands?

Maybe she died trying to do that very thing. Maybe she heard him breaking into her gun safe and got up to investigate and he had already pried it open or found her key and shot her dead when she tried to stop him.

IMO

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

IF MSM provides inaccurate information, then linking to MSM article isn't going to provide accurate information. There already were a bunch of stories in MSM that might not be accurate. Such as him trying to purchase a weapon-true or false? Nobody knows. Or about an altercation between him and school staff the day prior-I believe that one is false.
His mother being a teacher in the school-also apparently false.

Are they reporting it with Malice, or intent to create false information?? Or are they simply reporting what they can, with what they have? If the media is doing their jobs, and is not posting something deliberately to cause harm, then we can link to MSM. As errors cannot be prevented, and things happen. We trust news organizations, and sometimes it is all we can take as facts until more information comes to light.

 

[waitin'4thewrld2chg]

I wish the school district of which Sandy Hook Elementary is a part would just forget school until after the holidays. The five days missed now could be tacked on to the end of the school year.

Some of the families I have heard speak on TV have children who did not yet know, as of yesterday, that they have lost classmates and teachers. I know there is something to be said for getting back into the routine of things, but I believe there is also something to be said for taking a little break. Play dates could be arranged through the holidays to help children stay in touch with classmates.

I'd like to see the current Sandy Hook Elementary razed, even though I imagine it could be rather quickly prepared to receive students, and I'm sure it's a lovely building in and of itself. Multiply the trauma each survivor experienced by the number of survivors, and I just don't think it makes sense to place them back at the scene of the crime for numerous hours a day every day for years on end.

People do adjust, but let's make it easier on them. I think the psyches of the survivors deserve some kind of a long-term cushion. I realize that it is impractical and unwise to tear down every structure where something bad has happened, but this event was beyond the pale, and I would like to see extraordinary measures taken.

I'd turn the site of the Sandy Hook Elementary School into a park-like area on campus, with some sort of a small memorial incorporated therein, and then I'd build a new school on the same land but slightly offset from the former school site. The new Sandy Hook school would be ready for ribbon cutting in September of next year.

Now I realize I'm just sitting in my kitchen designing huge projects in my mind while being completely clueless about logistics, funding, and a million other things I don't even know enough to consider. However, I can picture the Sandy Hook community being rather open to passing a special levy...I can picture construction companies and contractors being ready to move heaven and earth... Heck, I know it doesn't work this way, but the hat could be passed around the U.S. and we'd have the new school for them this afternoon.

 

[legalmania]

Look at the crime in this town before Friday. I bet some people still left their doors unlocked and their windows open. Now today they are living in fear.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ct/newtown/crime/

 

[popsicle]

I do not believe these children will be going back to any school until after the New Year. They have 26 of their loved ones to lay to rest in the coming days.

 

[Donjeta]

Owning five weapons? Many others own many more than that and that includes women as well.

How do we know she did not take care in keeping the firearms out of her son's hands?

Maybe she died trying to do that very thing. Maybe she heard him breaking into her gun safe and got up to investigate and he had already pried it open or found her key and shot her dead when she tried to stop him.

IMO

Who knows but the latest reports are that her body was found in her bed.

The weapons used in the killings were all registered to Nancy Lanza. Her body was found in her bed, police sources told the Hartford Courant. Contrary to earlier reports, Lanza never worked at Sandy Hook.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...tary-shooting-article-1.1220914#ixzz2FFEDD0t1

 

[joypath]

Some news agencies are reporting the following: (my terms) NL's COD multiple fatal facial/cranial gunshots , TOD: Friday am, MOD: homicide

AL's COD: head shot (will NOT specify where), TOD: Friday am, MOD: suicide


will indicate that dental records were utilized in identification process.


Other information may be redacted from formal documentation, Ct. does NOT have "sunshine laws" like other states and we hold post mortem reports in confidence per se unless required by court release to non-family members.

 

[Donjeta]

Autopsies were still pending on the bodies of the killer and his mother, Nancy. Local bartender Mike Agius said the slain woman “liked sports.” Agius, 26, who works at My Place said, “She would talk to anyone.”

While Nancy Lanza spoke about her son Ryan, 24, of Hoboken, N.J., she had virtually nothing to say about the 20-year-old who lived with her. “She never mentioned her youngest son,” said Agius. “Just her oldest one.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...tary-shooting-article-1.1220914#ixzz2FFEuZPWa

 

[Grasshopper]

All of this is just horrendous. NL's death also breaks my heart. This woman, it appears, gave up everything for her son. She never remarried. She gave up her career. I don't doubt that it cost her marriage and cost her much, if not all, of her relationship with her older son. (IMO from reading "reports" since it is easy to draw the link if RL hadn't seen his brother in such a lengthy time, he also had not seen his mom since she couldn't leave him alone.) A friend who's blog we linked here before even said that she was willing to pack up and go wherever he went if he got into college so that she could care for him.

All of us parent differently. All of us have different kids. It's easy to armchair quarterback. But, she, as most of us parents do, was likely doing the best she could. Did she make mistakes? Yes. Do we all make mistakes in parenting our children? Yes.

In the end, her dedication to him cost her her life.

May she have peace now. She earned it.

All, of course, IMHO.

 

[21merc7]

Autopsies were still pending on the bodies of the killer and his mother, Nancy. Local bartender Mike Agius said the slain woman “liked sports.” Agius, 26, who works at My Place said, “She would talk to anyone.”

While Nancy Lanza spoke about her son Ryan, 24, of Hoboken, N.J., she had virtually nothing to say about the 20-year-old who lived with her. “She never mentioned her youngest son,” said Agius. “Just her oldest one.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...tary-shooting-article-1.1220914#ixzz2FFEuZPWa

I don't like the sound of that.

 

[popsicle]

waitin'4thewrld2chg

I had the exact same thought about what to do with school!