Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #8

[HastingsChi]

A terrible fact is that most ASD individuals will never be able to live and function alone. Although many live with their families, other are put into residential facilities especially if the family is wealthy or the parents are older. Before the 1980's it was estimated that 90% of ASD individuals were institutionalized.

It is logical to think that Nancy was looking to place her son somewhere. She didn't tell all her friends about the struggles she had at home, so some of them thought she would never "abandon" her child. Others that she drank with sensed that there was something wrong since Nancy wasn't see around town much in the last month and a half (Sorry, I'm too lazy to find that link but it exists.) These drinking buddies understood that Nancy was going to move the killer out of her home. These friends stated that the killer was going to be placed in a school or a center.

Believe me when I say that I understand that the horrific tragedy in Newtown is a tough, tough situation for all of us because it is so relatable to every parent, aunt/uncle, grandparent or sibling and all of us want answers/facts now because if we can grasp onto a motive/reason we can gain the smallest amount of closure for ourselves because all of us are rattled by the idea that monster-like actions needlessly took the lives of countless beautiful, innocent human beings.

As logical people, a reason for these crimes that we can point to can, in many ways, allow us to feel about the safety of our loved ones and ourselves. Because all of us are desperate for answers we are willing to reach for answers that might be based on rumor or societal/cultural elements. (I want to make clear that I do include myself when I've stated all of us)

The best thing while we wait for the investigation to provide real answers based in fact, answers which hopefully can be used to prevent other tragedies from occurring, is to support, remember and celebrate the lives of the victims as well as let our loved ones know how much we do love them.

As Tom Petty sang "the waiting is the hardest part" but in this case with many moving parts and a plethora of misinformation, we'll only feel dizzy if we give every rumor reported merit; we'll feel much better by remembering the victims and our own loved ones.

The facts and truth will come out with time. There is nothing more important to LE than conducting a thorough investigation that will provide solid answers to the victims, the families of the victims and the public; all who are desperately yearning for factual answers.

 

[fabvab]

One of her friend at My Place said he really didn't think she was a survivalist. I think the truth is still out on this one. What makes me think she might have been is that Marsha said they had talked about economic collapse (that's specific) and because I can't understand collecting this amount of guns with that kind of power in such a short period of time is not. I understand gun collectors, but I think they get guns over decades typically? However, NL hadn't worked in about 14 -15 years, so maybe when she picked up a hobby she really got into it full force?

I think the guns are a red flag for something. Friends said she got them for protection since she was a single lady living in that big home. She had guns that should be locked in a safe. You upgrade your alarm system, put in surveillance cameras/equipment, get a dog and maybe a handgun for your bedside, etc. For security...the one thing you don't do is go around showing your guns to your lawn person, etc. Thieves burglarize homes for those kinds of weapons!

All those guns in a short time. I wonder how many other guns she has. She just doesn't look like the "assault rifle" type. :banghead:

 

[LolaMoon08]

My head is going to explode. We have an article a few pages back saying that Nancy was once known for the game nights she hosted, other articles saying that she was the only one of the bunco group that didn't host game night.

We have reports that he was wearing a bulletproof vest, others say he was wearing a utility vest.

We have reports that he hasn't seen his father since he was 18, or was it when he was 3?

I swear there is a smiley for this...

kay:

 

[SouthAussie]

As far as I can tell, his issues consisted of him sitting in the basement playing videogames. She could leave him for days at a time to go on mini vacation. So it sure doesn't sound to me like he needed constant care.

Read 'care facility' as school/rehab centre/place-to-learn-independence-skills/place-to-help-bring-him-out-of-himself.

 

[nao]

According to the barber, Adam responded only to Nancy, she was also Adam's voice. Adam at a young age seemed totally dependent on Nancy for his social interactions - that is not high functioning.

It would be at the young age when Adam attended Sandy Hook school, that he would of become aware of the fact that he was different in some way. It would be a confusing frightening time for him. Maybe he blamed the school in some way. JMO MOO

 

[Donjeta]

Oh I understand that, but overall the friend seemed to be rejecting the idea that she would send him away at all.

>>Nancy was so dedicated to Adam,&#8221; the friend said. &#8220;She would never send him away. She just couldn&#8217;t do that.&#8221;<<

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ewtown-killer-article-1.1223612#ixzz2FlGPGwZR

JMO, at the same time all the rest of the article gives numerous hints that NL thought it was high time to make a change and get him out of the basement and into the world.

His mother spotted his precipitous withdrawal.... &#8216;He didn&#8217;t understand why she wanted him to go out into the world.

....the mother of Adam Lanza was pushing her loner son to leave the Newtown home ....

&#8220;She thought the best thing was for him to get out of the house and into the world.

When the mother pressed the issue of moving away, &#8220;he didn&#8217;t want to leave,&#8221; according to the pal. &#8220;He didn&#8217;t understand why she wanted him to go out into the world.

A recent attempt to take Adam on a southern vacation ended with his refusal to accompany his mom, who was also suggesting that he needed to get a job or perhaps start college.

&#8220;She felt that he was slipping into himself, and that it was time for him to move forward,&#8221; the friend said

While Nancy hadn&#8217;t set a hard deadline for Adam to move out, her concern was increasing as he became more &#8220;distant&#8221; and &#8220;withdrawing into himself,&#8221; the friend said.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ewtown-killer-article-1.1223612#ixzz2Flh5qbCW

JMO, the rest of the article paints a clear picture that she was very worried and considering her options how to get him outta her basement and one sentence that says she wouldn't send him away doesn't really refute the notion in my mind. It sounds more like a knee jerk reaction to the idea of a psych hospital imo.

 

[Donjeta]

The pastor's son's account was hearsay and it was IMO acknowledged in the article that it was hearsay. So I'm not totally sure why the pastor coming out to point out that it was hearsay and that it wasn't him who told his son refutes anything that was in the son's story since IIRC he never said that he heard it from his pastor father. I think the pastor might have been worried that people would read the article and suspect him to be a gossip who shared confidential conversations with his son.

The jury is still out on the accuracy of that hearsay information as far as I'm concerned but it totally makes sense to me that NL was considering her options and looking for different arrangements that would get AL out. She wasn't going to live forever and it's much harder to get out and start to care for yourself if you're a 60-year-old man who spent 40 years in the basement and whose frail old mother just died than if you get help in your young age.

 

[gngr~snap]

The pastor's son's account was hearsay and it was IMO acknowledged in the article that it was hearsay. So I'm not totally sure why the pastor coming out to point out that it was hearsay and that it wasn't him who told his son refutes anything that was in the son's story since IIRC he never said that he heard it from his pastor father. I think the pastor might have been worried that people would read the article and suspect him to be a gossip who shared confidential conversations with his son.

The jury is still out on the accuracy of that hearsay information as far as I'm concerned but it totally makes sense to me that NL was considering her options and looking for different arrangements that would get AL out. She wasn't going to live forever and it's much harder to get out and start to care for yourself if you're a 60-year-old man who spent 40 years in the basement and whose frail old mother just died than if you get help in your young age.

I have looked into the pastor's son. I really think he was RL's friend and was just repeating what he was "hearing" around town.
He after all IS the pastor's son and he was in town... I'd be willing to bet he spoke when should have remained "mum"

that's just my opinion...

O/T eww! I just had a terrible thought! Ya know those men that live with their mother's into their old age... mama dies and they just leave her there for years??? Continuing to cash their checks etc...
Guess they must have been like him once upon a time...
Mama never pushed them out of the nest!

Some boys never grow up I guess!

60-year-old man shared a two-room apartment with his mother's corpse for five years, concealing her death so he could receive her pension

http://mg.co.za/article/2005-09-19-man-lives-with-mothers-corpse-for-five-years

 

[LinasK]

I'd highlight Joshua's statement on Twitter:
@JoshuaFlashman@soderstromk @jimchap @G33kspeak I told a reporter what the people in town were saying about Adam Lanza’s motive, & next thing I know, I’m ”intimately aquainted” with the Lanza family and knew Adam’s motives first hand. Funny, I didn’t know that!

Additionally Joshua's lies to Fox (or Fox's misreporting) was that Adam was mad at his mother because she “loved the school (Sandy Hook) more than she loved him”

Note that State police have said that Adam Lanza had “no connection” to the school, and school officials disputed an early report that his mother had worked there.“No one has heard of her,” Lillian Bittman, who served on the local school board until 2011, told The Wall Street Journal last Friday. “Teachers don’t know her.”

No connection? He went there. I saw his childhood class picture today!

 

[LinasK]

They are definitely rare here in CA.

That's because Ronald Reagan emptied most of them when he was governor, and most of them ended up on the streets!

 

[gngr~snap]

No connection? He went there. I saw his childhood class picture today!

Odd how they didn't know he had been a student
there for 5 years huh?
In fact I find it ODD that so many people report never seeing him!

Mom is talking about a "son" they never saw
and yet they knew her for years?
No one's hinky meter went up? Seriously?

No welfare checks? Nothing? ~ :no:
odd.

eta: ok maybe not! I think there a few friends
that I have and I have never "seen" their kids.

BUT I have talked with them...

 

[CHERIE.T]

A terrible fact is that most ASD individuals will never be able to live and function alone. Although many live with their families, other are put into residential facilities especially if the family is wealthy or the parents are older. Before the 1980's it was estimated that 90% of ASD individuals were institutionalized.

It is logical to think that Nancy was looking to place her son somewhere. She didn't tell all her friends about the struggles she had at home, so some of them thought she would never "abandon" her non-problematic child. Others that she drank with sensed that there was something wrong since Nancy wasn't see around town much in the last month and a half (Sorry, I'm too lazy to find that link, but it exists.) These drinking buddies understood that Nancy was going to move the killer out of her home. These friends stated that the killer was going to be placed in a school or a center.

:seeya: great post Pensfan! I so agree with your last paragraph.

 

[Donjeta]

Marsha Lanza's interview again:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/17033112-418/suspects-aunt-why-would-anybody-do-this.html

This particular bit jumps out at me:

&#8220;I couldn&#8217;t stop crying. I have a gut feeling this is my family,&#8221; she said she told a friend Friday. &#8220;My intuition tells me that it is.&#8221;

Had NL or other family members told her something more worrying about AL than she shared? If her mind immediately jumped to the thought that it was AL who was the shooter (she doesn't say so explicitly but what other options are there in order for this to be Marsha Lanza's family? Other family members don't live in the town, they have no children currently going to elementary school, NL wasn't a teacher at the school so it's not likely anyone of her family would be victimized in an elementary school shooting.)

Edit: the raw audio isn't very clear and I can't make out everything they say (or maybe I'm just a bit deaf?) but I get the notion that she was afraid of this even before the Lanza name came out.

 

[simlyme]

Marsha Lanza's interview again:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/17033112-418/suspects-aunt-why-would-anybody-do-this.html

This particular bit jumps out at me:



Had NL or other family members told her something more worrying about AL than she shared? If her mind immediately jumped to the thought that it was AL who was the shooter (she doesn't say so explicitly but what other options are there in order for this to be Marsha Lanza's family? Other family members don't live in the town, they have no children currently going to elementary school, NL wasn't a teacher at the school so it's not likely anyone of her family would be victimized in an elementary school shooting.)

Edit: the raw audio isn't very clear and I can't make out everything they say (or maybe I'm just a bit deaf?) but I get the notion that she was afraid of this even before the Lanza name came out.

She also states she hasnt seen AL since he was about 3 years old, if thats a fact, she really knows nothing as to what really went on in the NL,AL household. I think ths woman is lonely :moo:

 

[Donjeta]

She also states she hasnt seen AL since he was about 3 years old, if thats a fact, she really knows nothing as to what really went on in the NL,AL household. I think ths woman is lonely :moo:

Not in person but you can be worried about relatives because you've heard things from other relatives you trust.

...but then she had also reported that her husband had seen AL in June and noticed nothing out of the ordinary.

 

[popsicle]

I have looked into the pastor's son. I really think he was RL's friend and was just repeating what he was "hearing" around town.
He after all IS the pastor's son and he was in town... I'd be willing to bet he spoke when should have remained "mum"

that's just my opinion...

Not mentioned... the pastor's secretary spoke and confirmed that she also knew about these supposed rumors.

 

[HastingsChi]

Not mentioned... the pastor's secretary spoke and confirmed that she also knew about these supposed rumors.

Joshua Flashman's statement has been COMPLETELY DEBUNKED:

The pastor said he was not the source of his son&#8217;s information. His secretary, Eileen Bell, added, &#8220;It was nothing from a confirmed source.&#8221;

&#8220;I&#8217;ve just spoken to Josh,&#8221; Richard Flashman said in a statement Tuesday night. &#8220;As the Fox News article indicates, the information Josh spoke to them about was hearsay and not confirmed. I suggest you do not run with the story. I am perplexed why Fox would run with it in the first place.&#8221;

These two quotes imply 'there goes Joshua again, telling more tall tales'...

You know who else debunked this statement? Joshua Flashman on his own Twitter Account:

@JoshuaFlashman: @soderstromk @jimchap @G33kspeak I told a reporter what the people in town were saying about Adam Lanza&#8217;s motive, & next thing I know, I&#8217;m &#8221;intimately aquainted&#8221; with the Lanza family and knew Adam&#8217;s motives first hand. Funny, I didn&#8217;t know that!

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[Foxfire]

I'm glad that you mentioned the report that the son of the pastor, stated that he heard Nancy was considering placing the killer in a residential facility and was trying to get conservatorship of him.

Here is the report you are referring to:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/1...d-may-have-caused-connecticut-madman-to-snap/

However this report has been debunked and proven to be false (nothing more than Joshua Flashman a former Marine and aspiring actor spreading a rumor and trying to get on TV). Who debunked and disproved this report? Joshua's father Richard Flashman, a pastor at Beacon Hill Evangelical Free Church:
http://www.lohud.com/article/201212...t-Adam-Lanza-s-motive?gcheck=1&nclick_check=1

I urge all of us to have the gift of patience and wisdom to know that the true facts will come out in time and accept that a plethora of the "reporting" about Nancy Lanza and the shooter that has been and continues to be done is not double-sourced or from individuals who were close friends, immediate family or close colleagues of either of them. Please understand that LE wants nothing more than to put the puzzle together and share it with the victims & their families as well as the public to bring closure to them and identify important clues which may stop similar situations from happening in the future.

RE: Please understand that LE wants nothing more than to put the puzzle together and share it with the victims & their families as well as the public to bring closure to them and identify important clues which may stop similar situations from happening in the future.

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[kathiev]

Did she really have a choice?
I wonder what happened here...

"Peter Lanza transferred ownership of their Yogananda Street house to Nancy Lanza. The court instructed Nancy Lanza to either sell or refinance the mortgage so that her husband is no longer liable for it."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/17/nancy-lanza-conn-adam-lanza/1774611/

That is standard language in a divorce when the house is awarded to the ex. This is so the other party can move on and be able to buy another home and qualify for that mortgage

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/adam-lanza-assemble-computer-minutes-article-1.1225845

Sandy Hook gunman Adam Lanza rarely spoke, could reassemble a computer in 'minutes'