Conrad Murray trial -Day eight.

[MsBashterd]

SHOW ME THE IV BAG!!!!!!! oh and NOW!!!!

Sorry must drop the ENergy drink

 

[peace9274]

If there was no vent port on the IV tubing, Dr. Murray would have had to insert a needle without syringe into the propofol bottle stopper to allow air to enter, thus allowing fluid to escape. Without venting of the propofol bottle, nothing would flow.

Aha... that makes sense. But kinda troublesome!
I guess he needed to rig something up so he could
get to his phone calls.

 

[MsBashterd]

And Dr Kline's name comes out again I cant believe the defense is not calling him to the stand and IMO he is the one that probably and continuely keep MJ on his ultimate path to where he resides today. I their a law that I have not heard that prevents them from bringing this reakin dealer in to talk about what he was giveing MJ before and during this time???



Bash Rant....I want Kline on Trial DAMNIT!!!!!

 

[Talina]

And Dr Kline's name comes out again I cant believe the defense is not calling him to the stand and IMO he is the one that probably and continuely keep MJ on his ultimate path to where he resides today. I their a law that I have not heard that prevents them from bringing this reakin dealer in to talk about what he was giveing MJ before and during this time???



Bash Rant....I want Kline on Trial DAMNIT!!!!!

From what I understand, the judge has ruled that Dr. Klein can not be called by the defense because toxicology reports showing nothing in his system that was ever given or prescribed by Dr. Klein. Someone correct me if I have that wrong.

 

[joe jones]

I am still eagerly awaiting how the defence is going to explain the way MJ was found on the bed flat on his back, his face turned towards the door and his palms up if it was he who had given himself a massive overdose of propofol that he was dead before he shut his eyes,

if he died instantaneously then he would not have been found in that position, so will defence say that Dr Murray moved him

 

[borndem]

and more sloppy practice, no photo of vital evidence found on the floor but photos after it was moved to the table, some jurors may question the scene investigation,

I have always said that the first thing that should be done at every crime scene or suspicious death is the whole scene should be videotaped, then it would remove all this insinuation that defence attys do because evidence wasn't collected properly etc

with a video of the scene and close ups of important evidence then it documents the scene as found,

I agree -- it protects everyone & leaves little or nothing for anyone to have to try to remember; and when someone is on the stand, under oath, they have something to help them remember and be more accurate. Yeah, what is it they say is worth 1,000 words????

Even here in Raleigh, NC, the LEO's have one officer videotaping first before anyone else goes into the scene, and then they have another officer, or more, with still cameras. They snap the item before anyone touches it.

IOW, just 'cause we talk slow don't mean we're stupid....

 

[MsBashterd]

From what I understand, the judge has ruled that Dr. Klein can not be called by the defense because toxicology reports showing nothing in his system that was ever given or prescribed by Dr. Klein. Someone correct me if I have that wrong.

Ahh thnak you I had not heard that
And......Bash just threw up in her mouth a little bit :sick:

 

[Isabelle]

Alvarez never mentioned IV tubing connected to bag in which propofol bottle was. I would guess Dr. Murray removed it before anyone was on the scene.

 

[MsBashterd]

I am still eagerly awaiting how the defence is going to explain the way MJ was found on the bed flat on his back, his face turned towards the door and his palms up if it was he who had given himself a massive overdose of propofol that he was dead before he shut his eyes,

if he died instantaneously then he would not have been found in that position, so will defence say that Dr Murray moved him

Perhaps moved him for CPR **cough Cough**

 

[Isabelle]

Why didn't he just empty the saline from the bag and inject the propofol directly into the saline bag?

Didn't want to take the time?? Don't know.

 

[Isabelle]

Aha... that makes sense. But kinda troublesome!
I guess he needed to rig something up so he could
get to his phone calls.

Saved him from having to use two hands to give IV push propofol. Allowed him more time on the phone!

 

[MsBashterd]

No offense to this witness...but I bet her spouse is hard pressed to win any fights in the house LOL. I like her she ogts the snark I respect the snark I dont think she was as good as she could have been at the scene espclly with the circumstance's of this case.

 

[21merc7]

Someone mentioned maybe the saline bag was cut to use for disposal. That defies logic. Given all the other bags Murray had in the room, a simple trash bag would do, and I believe there was a grocery bag there already.

So, logic says why would you cut a saline bag in the first place? Next the bottle found it, don't know if the jury will now find doubt in that or not, but logic goes with putting bottle in for giving the propofol to patient with minimal effort on Murray's part. Just makes sense to me, but we will see what is said by defense.

 

[joe jones]

Perhaps moved him for CPR **cough Cough**

of course, and this rehab of the victim is not helping, no matter how many times he asks her was this photo of the bag and propofol bottle taken by you and you took the bottle out of bag before photographing them

it still does not prove the bottle was ever in the bag, it is only her word for it and she never mentioned it till 2011, so jurors may have questions about her recall


and this was years after Alvarez had told the bottle in the bag story, but Alvarez credibility and recall is shot as he said he moved MJ to floor whilst he was on 911 call and it is now revealed that the paramedics moved MJ

 

[Talina]

of course, and this rehab of the victim is not helping, no matter how many times he asks her was this photo of the bag and propofol bottle taken by you and you took the bottle out of bag before photographing them

it still does not prove the bottle was ever in the bag, it is only her word for it and she never mentioned it till 2011, so jurors may have questions about her recall


and this was years after Alvarez had told the bottle in the bag story, but Alvarez credibility and recall is shot as he said he moved MJ to floor whilst he was on 911 call and it is now revealed that the paramedics moved MJ

BBM

This is true however, she has stated that she was not alone there on the 25th or the 29th so I'm wondering if there are other investigators that will later through testimony corroborate this vial and iv bag.

 

[MsBashterd]

of course, and this rehab of the victim is not helping, no matter how many times he asks her was this photo of the bag and propofol bottle taken by you and you took the bottle out of bag before photographing them

it still does not prove the bottle was ever in the bag, it is only her word for it and she never mentioned it till 2011, so jurors may have questions about her recall


and this was years after Alvarez had told the bottle in the bag story, but Alvarez credibility and recall is shot as he said he moved MJ to floor whilst he was on 911 call and it is now revealed that the paramedics moved MJ

Absolutely Joe I have to give both of those witness's to to DT hate to say it but reasonable doubt has been created. I also like the snrky chik but I think she comes off very defensive and very stand offish when she doesnt like a question asked of her. If I was in Jury it wouldmake me think my my why are you hiding something missy.

 

[MsBashterd]

BBM

This is true however, she has stated that she was not alone there on the 25th or the 29th so I'm wondering if there are other investigators that will later through testimony corroborate this vial and iv bag.

But without and actual photo of it all just words just words.

 

[joe jones]

BBM

This is true however, she has stated that she was not alone there on the 25th or the 29th so I'm wondering if there are other investigators that will later through testimony corroborate this vial and iv bag.

with state trying so hard to rehab her bottle in bag story I don't think they have any other witness to it, if they did they would not be going over and over it with her

 

[Amity]

About those notes.......
Some of you know, my elderly (and not in the best of health) parents live with us now.
There was our first time calling 911 for my Dad.
Sirens blaring we got a huge fire truck, a red rescue truck and an ambulance on the curb of our house within 3 minutes.
Four huge firemen in full gear entered the house first.
First question asked of me by the guy in full gear that got off the long, red fire truck was what had occurred all day to bring us to this situation.

I literally stumbled all over my words trying to remember best I could all that had transpired that day.

Three rescue guys came in and one of them asked about all medications Dad was taking.
Again, I was spitting on myself trying to get out the information, correctly and best as I could remember.

Then three ambulance guys came in (I live in a very small house and boy, was it packed by the time they all entered) and the first one at Dad's side asked the above 2 same questions.

I will never forget how I felt.....totally inept, completely helpless, not being able to whip out the meds/history information in a clear and concise form.
I remember thinking to myself that if anything happened to my Dad, it would be my fault cuz I was sure I had forgotten something.

That was almost six years ago and thankfully all turned out OK but ever since then I keep a pad and pen in the drawers of both my parents' nightstands.

With all the meds they take on a regular basis, add to that extra meds they need when something goes wrong, that's a lot for me to remember so now I document, document, document.

I keep my notes (they would look like chicken scratches in the sand to anyone else who tried to read them) 24 hours and then rip them up in little pieces and throw in the trash.
Because of my penmanship, there is no way those notes would be useful to anyone else but me.

There have been 6 other occasions since, where we've had to call 911 and those notes, for me, were priceless.

All this to say that I personally don't feel the destruction of forensic's notes is any big deal especially since the information was FIRST copied over to a formal form.
Maybe I missed something.

 

[octobermoon]

Defense really got in some good points today. It will be interesting to see who is up next. That really bothers me that she didn't take a photo of the bag first before manipulating it.