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Someone brought this up on the last thread about how to self isolate if someone in the home is suspected of having the virus and you want to avoid other family members getting it.

In our household of two, we were just talking about that last night. We concluded that there is about two options.

One option is to pay for a motel room or if another vacant place is available, to have either the affected person or the non affected person stay in a separate place for a period of time. That option is obviously a difficult one to choose for many reasons but we did consider that and have it as a possibility. The other option is to create an isolated room in the home for the sick person and try to confine that person as best as possible to that room to avoid spreading germs to other members of the household.

For option 2 and due to the fact that germs can live on surfaces for a period of time and due to the fact it may not be obvious when the affected person is fully cured and not shedding virus anymore, it makes it difficult to know how long the affected person should remain isolated. And of course pets like dogs and cats become an almost impossible thing to avoid having contact with. We know that pets are not supposed to be able to catch it, but I do wonder about a wet dogs nose coming up to an affected person and then immediately going to greet a healthy family members. Transfer of virus from one person to another by a wet friendly pet's nose is not something I have seen studied yet. I seriously doubt I would be able to have one of us isolated in the home and not be able to greet our beloved dog.

Based on risk of the unaffected family members catching it, we concluded option 1 is probably the safer option but causes the most disruption and can be costly. Option 2 is probably what we will do but we expect we will fail and probably both end up getting sick if one of us catches it.

Its so important for everyone to try to avoid catching it to begin with. That way, we are not faced with these tough decisions.

No hotels, please. I've gotten sick from hotels and been extremely sick in a hotel, it's horrible. My husband actual flew in and drove me home, one time.

Suggestions and y'all know by now I'm quite brass...

Set up one bedroom. You can use a bedside commode or a toilet seat from Lowes and a large bucket. If you have only one bathroom DO NOT contaminate it. You will infect the caregiver and re-infect the patient.

If weather permits, use a window fan to "suck" the air to the outside. A box fan works well, in reverse mode.

Use all disposable dishes, utensils, etc.

Bag and contain all sheets, towels, linen in the sick bedroom. Don't try to wash if you are the only caregiver.

Take care of the caregiver!!! The caregiver must be protected. Use household cleaning gloves, drop in a bleach pan 5 mins, rinse hang to dry. Get plenty of rest, save your every and don't over do it. You can clean when all are recovered ... just seal off the bedroom...tape large plastic over the door facing and seal completely with tape.

Bleach is YOUR BEST FRIEND. Forget those fancy cleaners and use 1 part bleach to 2 parts water. This is and was the CDC recommendations for all Healthcare facilities for HIV. We KNOW,this works. You can put in spray bottles, labs, buckets used for toilet, and a must if doing laundry.

CDC website has lots of good information. The above have been used to care for sick or comprised patients during/after hurricanes.

Moo...
 
The arbitrary numbers I keep hearing leave me confused.
It seems some experts think the two week limited exposure will drastically decrease the transmission. But then others think too little too late? I’m living like the virus germ is on every surface hoping a host walks by. Like ticks in tall grasses, perched with their little legs feeling for a host.
A friend just called our WMT has (had) TP a few minutes ago. I’m sure they are sold out by now. Also, how much is a store holding back to fill online orders?
 

That kind of retreat would make me anxious. LOL. I need at least a daily news briefing on what's going on in the world or else I freak out. Although the constant Coronavirus news conferences are sort of wearing me down. I'm starting to tune them out because of information overload and repetition. I'm so glad I've got this thread to read, but I wish there was a condensed version where I could just read a one-post summary of what happened each day and stop trying to keep up here.

MOO.
 
SOUTH CAROLINA

Presser....Governor bans in seat dining at all restaurants and bars effective tomorrow. Supports take out. He also extended all state tax return deadlines to be extended to June. He recommended that all companies support non essential workers to work remotely.

P.S. I wouldn't want to be on the non essential list if you know what I mean...I don't think he meant it that way:D

NOW: Gov. Henry McMaster requests grocery stores limit customer purchases on things like paper goods “We don’t need to hoard supplies, share with your neighbor.” ALSO he recommends senior only shopping hours. @WCBD
Hanna Powers on Twitter

Gov. McMaster recommends every private employer allow employees to work from home unless 100% essential.
Lisa Weismann on Twitter
 
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I disagree and have voiced my concern thru both Senators and directly to the President. Don't know if its a state by state situation or global. I kinda got the impress from today's presser, some states just were not prepared.

It is a federal mandate under Homeland Security States, hospital and medical companies must prepare, have supplies and a response team for any and all emergencies. It's called a Hazardous Vulnerability Analysis (HVA). HLS made it really easy, they list everything from high wind to terrorist attack. You rate the likelihood of the peril in your community and everything must have a detailed plan. The high likelihood perils are the ones most of the money, training and prep are spent on.

I do know Virginia did not have a stock pile. It was only about a couple hundred mask. Stockpile is subjective my toilet paper stockpile maybe to rolls and others 10. My local HD only received 6, yes 6 from the State of Virginia, the excuse was "you don't have any proved cases".

I have 4 boxes of N95s that are now approved. They are from the industrial side, look the same and now FDA has approved for medical use. I called my buddies on the local Emergent Response Team and offered up two boxes. Hey, were all in this together.

I'm not hearing that complaint from my NC or SC medical professional friends. Hum.....

I do believe it is a state-by-state situation. An excellent example of a state which was not prepared for a disaster was Louisiana during Katrina and the state KNEW some of those levees were precarious at best. States which were not impacted jumped in to assist. Nebraska sent our national guard, utility trucks, volunteers and accepted evacuees, both people and pets. I anticipate similar sharing will be happening with this pandemic. So far, no one who has been isolated or hospitalized here has died. None are in the Med Center's ICU. I'm betting we will be sharing supplies if we are not already doing so. Omaha has two medical schools/teaching hospitals. The Universities should deploy those students and residents to relieve exhausted health care personnel.

One thing that IS happening here is that younger folks in their 20s and 30s aren't abiding the social separation and distance edicts. I wonder if too much emphasis has been placed on the risks to us old codgers and now younger people think their age gives them an invisible shield of immunity.

JMO
 
Top New York City cancer hospital has just one week's supply of masks left as five staff members and three patients test positive for coronavirus

Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in New York City hast just one week's supply of masks left, according to BuzzFeed News.

Politicians and health experts have been asking the general public and other companies to donate their supply of masks to hospitals because doctors and nurses battling coronavirus on the front lines need them the most.

Top US cancer hospital has a week's worth of masks left as five staff members contract coronavirus | Daily Mail Online



 
Someone brought this up on the last thread about how to self isolate if someone in the home is suspected of having the virus and you want to avoid other family members getting it.

In our household of two, we were just talking about that last night. We concluded that there is about two options.

One option is to pay for a motel room or if another vacant place is available, to have either the affected person or the non affected person stay in a separate place for a period of time. That option is obviously a difficult one to choose for many reasons but we did consider that and have it as a possibility. The other option is to create an isolated room in the home for the sick person and try to confine that person as best as possible to that room to avoid spreading germs to other members of the household.

For option 2 and due to the fact that germs can live on surfaces for a period of time and due to the fact it may not be obvious when the affected person is fully cured and not shedding virus anymore, it makes it difficult to know how long the affected person should remain isolated. And of course pets like dogs and cats become an almost impossible thing to avoid having contact with. We know that pets are not supposed to be able to catch it, but I do wonder about a wet dogs nose coming up to an affected person and then immediately going to greet a healthy family members. Transfer of virus from one person to another by a wet friendly pet's nose is not something I have seen studied yet. I seriously doubt I would be able to have one of us isolated in the home and not be able to greet our beloved dog.

Based on risk of the unaffected family members catching it, we concluded option 1 is probably the safer option but causes the most disruption and can be costly. Option 2 is probably what we will do but we expect we will fail and probably both end up getting sick if one of us catches it.

Its so important for everyone to try to avoid catching it to begin with. That way, we are not faced with these tough decisions.

No hotels, please. I've gotten sick from hotels and been extremely sick in a hotel, it's horrible. My husband actual flew in and drove me home, one time.

Suggestions and y'all know by now I'm quite brass...

Set up one bedroom. You can use a bedside commode or a toilet seat from Lowes and a large bucket. If you have only one bathroom DO NOT contaminate it. You will infect the caregiver and re-infect the patient.

If weather permits, use a window fan to "suck" the air to the outside. A box fan works well, in reverse mode.

Use all disposable dishes, utensils, etc.

Bag and contain all sheets, towels, linen in the sick bedroom. Don't try to wash if you are the only caregiver.

Take care of the caregiver!!! The caregiver must be protected. Use household cleaning gloves, drop in a bleach pan 5 mins, rinse hand to dry. Get plenty of rest, save your every and don't over do it. You can clean when all are recovered ... just seal off the bedroom...tape large plastic over the door facing and seal completely with tape.

Bleach is YOUR BEST FRIEND. Forget those fancy cleaners and use 1 part bleach to 2 parts water. This is and was the CDC recommendations for all Healthcare facilities for HIV. We KNOW,this works. You can put in spray bottles, labs, buckets used for toilet, and a must if doing laundry.

CDC website has lots of good information. The above have been used to care for sick or comprised patients during/after hurricanes.

Moo...
 
Gosh I actually thought that was a heartless response by the original poster to the plight of those poor workers. And actually also doesn’t make sense. If Whole Foods is not allowing their workers to wear facemasks and is not paying them enough to stay home when sick, they’re enabling spread of this disease through workers.

But it’s heartless to suggest these poor workers need to just buck up and work as demanded by their employers. They’re working in super stressed and scary conditions and are at grave risk of infection.

They should be allowed to wear masks and paid double time. I know a supermarket sales exec who is making huge piles of money right now due to the surge in sales.

They need to instead translate that to their poor workers and ensure that the sick can stay home.

I AGREE. Front-line employees, especially those who are making it possible for all of us to purchase our Food, for goodness sake, deserve nothing less than hazardous duty pay.
 
How easy is it to make more ventilators?
rbbm
''British engineering firms have been called on to switch to making medical ventilators as concern grows about the effects of the coronavirus pandemic.

For patients critically ill with Covid-19, access to a ventilator could be a matter of life or death. The machines get oxygen into the lungs and remove carbon dioxide from the body when people are too sick to breathe on their own.

That might sound simple but it is crucial to keep pressure to a minimum to avoid causing further damage. In addition, if the oxygen level is too high, that can do harm.

As a result, intensive care unit (ICU) ventilators need to not only keep people breathing but also accurately monitor their lungs, using a mix of airflow, temperature, humidity and pressure sensors. Hospitals across the world now urgently need more of this kit.''

''In the UK, the government is speaking to a wide range of manufacturers to see if they can lend a hand. The goal is to have "many times" the current number - about 20,000 additional machines as quickly as possible.

"The fact the government is asking manufacturers to make a different product to what they normally make is unprecedented since the World War Two," Justin Benson, from the consultancy KMPG, said. "It's a relatively complex piece of equipment with lots of components and a dedicated supply chain. So asking someone who makes a car to produce a respirator would take them some time."
 
Yes, Richmond having none is very strange. Most of the test are being done in the Peninsula area. You know where the Governor came from. Also, we still only have 150 to 300 kits, its two kits per person for a negative. One today and one 24 hours from now, reducing the number of people.

You know he only closed the school state wide when the Chesterfield County teachers were planning to strike FRI.

I honestly expected him to be more proactive. I feel there's a lack of info, lack of emergency. Why isn't he working to get more tests? I wish Cuomo were still my governor. He said from the beginning the numbers will rise as we get more testing, and that's been his goal--getting tests, getting automated testing, so he can prepare the hospital system for the tsunami.
 
You’re a great mom.

Great post - I've shared with daughters and some other friends to share with their grown children. One of my biggest fears with this isolation is for the children from less than desirable, secure home life.

Also for domestic violence victims. I fear the close confinement may trigger episodes.

Times like these push our boundaries, bringing out both the best and the worst in character.
 
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